Porsche 924 Turbo S2 with Carrera GT parts
Discussion
After buying my 924 a few years ago at University, it got under my skin and I never thought I would sell it.
A few weeks ago, I was browsing the 924OC forum and saw something for sale that caught my eye and things began to fall into place.
Through my 924 I was introduced to the owners club, which has always been a fantastic help, although I am less active online these days. I met lots of great people and got into the wider transaxle Porsche thing as a whole and this is when the seeds were sown. Back at the start of 2013 I photographed a stunning 944 Turbo for Retro Cars/GT Porsche and the owner took me out for a drive afterwards. A month later I was in Sweden, driving a 924 Turbo on a frozen lake. That was it, I knew I was going to have a turbo at some point.
Landing my first proper job since University, I found myself with the funds to (hopefully) run a turbo. Initally I started buying parts for my NA; coilovers, engines, brakes and so on. However when this car came up for sale, I realised it was just what I wanted, complete, in front of me. Surprised to find the insurance was a mere £20 more, I put a deposit down...
For sometime I felt sad about selling my NA and wondered if I should rent a council garage to keep it in. However, realistically, it would just sit there and decay and so selling it for someone else to enjoy was the best option. I put it up for sale at a low price and a deposit was placed after a few hours. I simply couldn't keep it at my address since my girlfriend has a car and we've got a T25 camper, so there wasn't the space for another one!
Moving onto the car itself, it's based on a 1981 924 Turbo S2. It is now a convincing Carrera GT replica. The respray is thorough, with only a few traces of the original green colour on the chassis legs by the engine. Mechanically, it is very similar to a real Carrera GT.
The specification includes:
Staggered 16” Fuchs wheels
Carbon fibre front arches
Genuine Carrera GT rear bumper (Much deeper than others)
Genuine Carrera GT spec Langerer & Reich intercooler
Adjustable Koni shocks
Aside from a set of forged pistons, there's really very little between my replica and a genuine version. The S2 runs about .65 bar boost, but with the intercooler, I should be able to turn up the wick if I so desire. Previous rolling roads suggest a poorly fitted intercooler is good for around 25bhp and so the car should be putting out about 200bhp. Coming from a 125bhp NA this is a fair whack more! 0-60 is around 6 seconds and top speed 150ish. Not bad for a car from 1981! Consider a 944 Turbo weighs more, has .5 litre more capacity and pushes out only another 20bhp.
As anyone who has driven a 924 knows, steering feel and handling are the true joys of the cars, but they cannot be quantified so easily. The extra power should be fun though, especially in that 80's turbo style. To me, the Carrera GT line is the holy grail of the transaxle cars, you can keep your 968 club sports, I'll take the undiluted beginnings.
I will be using the car as a daily driver, although I'm a keen cyclist and so will probably cycle to work mostly! Still, expect to see it at the top end of a supermarket car park soon.
This year I plan to iron out any issues that rear their head and if it behaves then perhaps a trip to Spa 6 hour historic is on the cards. I'm being realistic, it is a 33 year old turbocharged Porsche which has been modified by a man in a shed somewhere, so it's not all going to be plain sailing.
Although a replica, I think it has enough DNA from the real thing to be worthy in its own right and the quality of work is very high. Likewise, if I was to use a real CGT daily, would I enjoy it so much? Fears of piling on miles, little scratches and having to wait a long time for parts or compromise originality would be at the forefront of my mind. With this car I can enjoy it for what it is.
I look forward to collecting it on Tuesday evening!
A few weeks ago, I was browsing the 924OC forum and saw something for sale that caught my eye and things began to fall into place.
Through my 924 I was introduced to the owners club, which has always been a fantastic help, although I am less active online these days. I met lots of great people and got into the wider transaxle Porsche thing as a whole and this is when the seeds were sown. Back at the start of 2013 I photographed a stunning 944 Turbo for Retro Cars/GT Porsche and the owner took me out for a drive afterwards. A month later I was in Sweden, driving a 924 Turbo on a frozen lake. That was it, I knew I was going to have a turbo at some point.
Landing my first proper job since University, I found myself with the funds to (hopefully) run a turbo. Initally I started buying parts for my NA; coilovers, engines, brakes and so on. However when this car came up for sale, I realised it was just what I wanted, complete, in front of me. Surprised to find the insurance was a mere £20 more, I put a deposit down...
For sometime I felt sad about selling my NA and wondered if I should rent a council garage to keep it in. However, realistically, it would just sit there and decay and so selling it for someone else to enjoy was the best option. I put it up for sale at a low price and a deposit was placed after a few hours. I simply couldn't keep it at my address since my girlfriend has a car and we've got a T25 camper, so there wasn't the space for another one!
Moving onto the car itself, it's based on a 1981 924 Turbo S2. It is now a convincing Carrera GT replica. The respray is thorough, with only a few traces of the original green colour on the chassis legs by the engine. Mechanically, it is very similar to a real Carrera GT.
The specification includes:
Staggered 16” Fuchs wheels
Carbon fibre front arches
Genuine Carrera GT rear bumper (Much deeper than others)
Genuine Carrera GT spec Langerer & Reich intercooler
Adjustable Koni shocks
Aside from a set of forged pistons, there's really very little between my replica and a genuine version. The S2 runs about .65 bar boost, but with the intercooler, I should be able to turn up the wick if I so desire. Previous rolling roads suggest a poorly fitted intercooler is good for around 25bhp and so the car should be putting out about 200bhp. Coming from a 125bhp NA this is a fair whack more! 0-60 is around 6 seconds and top speed 150ish. Not bad for a car from 1981! Consider a 944 Turbo weighs more, has .5 litre more capacity and pushes out only another 20bhp.
As anyone who has driven a 924 knows, steering feel and handling are the true joys of the cars, but they cannot be quantified so easily. The extra power should be fun though, especially in that 80's turbo style. To me, the Carrera GT line is the holy grail of the transaxle cars, you can keep your 968 club sports, I'll take the undiluted beginnings.
I will be using the car as a daily driver, although I'm a keen cyclist and so will probably cycle to work mostly! Still, expect to see it at the top end of a supermarket car park soon.
This year I plan to iron out any issues that rear their head and if it behaves then perhaps a trip to Spa 6 hour historic is on the cards. I'm being realistic, it is a 33 year old turbocharged Porsche which has been modified by a man in a shed somewhere, so it's not all going to be plain sailing.
Although a replica, I think it has enough DNA from the real thing to be worthy in its own right and the quality of work is very high. Likewise, if I was to use a real CGT daily, would I enjoy it so much? Fears of piling on miles, little scratches and having to wait a long time for parts or compromise originality would be at the forefront of my mind. With this car I can enjoy it for what it is.
I look forward to collecting it on Tuesday evening!
Brilliant! A great next step after that 924.
I look forward to the thread.
I posted on your other thread too, when you sell this send me a message please and I'll have it straight away. Very cool.
Doesn't matter if it's in 1 year or 3 years, give me a shout. I appreciate I may not be first on the list though that's no problem.
Enjoy it Felix. Very individual and as I've said, very cool!
I look forward to the thread.
I posted on your other thread too, when you sell this send me a message please and I'll have it straight away. Very cool.
Doesn't matter if it's in 1 year or 3 years, give me a shout. I appreciate I may not be first on the list though that's no problem.
Enjoy it Felix. Very individual and as I've said, very cool!
Thanks all! If ever I sell it, I'll let you know.
It was built by someone called Jon/CrowMagnum. It was well known in the 924 club. Here it is in 2007:
And a few years ago:
And here's a bit more info on the Carrera GT line:
http://924gt.com/
It was built by someone called Jon/CrowMagnum. It was well known in the 924 club. Here it is in 2007:
And a few years ago:
And here's a bit more info on the Carrera GT line:
http://924gt.com/
Great stuff OP! That looks fantastic now 
. I heard they resurrected the Carrera GT name for something mid-engined a few years ago, probably some marketing version of the Boxster 
With all the talk of E30 M3 and RS500 prices going stratospheric, the continual rise of the 924CGT rarely seems to get reported. There were two advertised late last year for c. £35k, which seems to be about double what they were a few years ago. One of those seemed to sell, the other went POA as soon as a third car appeared with low mileage and an £80k asking price
And then there's a CGTS up for £150k. Wonder if D Bell is thinking of selling?
. I heard they resurrected the Carrera GT name for something mid-engined a few years ago, probably some marketing version of the Boxster With all the talk of E30 M3 and RS500 prices going stratospheric, the continual rise of the 924CGT rarely seems to get reported. There were two advertised late last year for c. £35k, which seems to be about double what they were a few years ago. One of those seemed to sell, the other went POA as soon as a third car appeared with low mileage and an £80k asking price
And then there's a CGTS up for £150k. Wonder if D Bell is thinking of selling?
Felix
I spotted you today on Port Road at about 5ish heading towards Barry, the car looks fantastic, totally different to the usual commuter traffic
I was heading towards Culver House Cross away from work, that's still at the airport!
I did try to flash but was too late, lol
It's nice to see something fresh travelling on the roads.
Catch you again
I spotted you today on Port Road at about 5ish heading towards Barry, the car looks fantastic, totally different to the usual commuter traffic
I was heading towards Culver House Cross away from work, that's still at the airport!
I did try to flash but was too late, lol
It's nice to see something fresh travelling on the roads.
Catch you again
Hey Mike,
That's neat, were you in the Seat?
Thanks all for the comments.
Leins - I agree about the prices. The seller of the replica just snapped up the Carrera GTS that Freisinger had and I think it must be a bargain. I even managed to sell my NA for 150% of what I paid after 3 1/2 years and about 35k miles extra on the clock.
The drive home was stunning. It was a bright summers evening, from West Wales to South Wales. The car is a different animal to my last one. I'm still finding my way around the dogleg gearbox but 2nd to 3rd is a cinch. The turbo starts spooling up at 2k rpm and is on full boost around 3k rpm. It's not as laggy as the S1 turbo I have driven. The first time I took it up to 5k rpm in 2nd gear was fantastic! The ride is nice too, compliant on the bumps but not crashy. It feels an altogether well assembled car. Surprisingly refined with the windows closed too.
There's a few niggles to sort out at the moment, one of the sunvisor clips snapped and the Corbeau bucket seats are far from comfy. Having the headlights on also pulls a lot of volts and it seems the alternator doesn't pick them up again. Hopefully it's just a dodgy earth. Either way, it's all typical 924 stuff.
I'll have to get clued up on car cleaning too, I want to keep the black paint shiny but it's covered in bugs at the moment. I don't have a hose pipe, is Morrisons pressure washer the best bet? Or any other tips?
Still can't believe it's sat outside on the drive! I'll make some photos of it this evening.
That's neat, were you in the Seat?
Thanks all for the comments.
Leins - I agree about the prices. The seller of the replica just snapped up the Carrera GTS that Freisinger had and I think it must be a bargain. I even managed to sell my NA for 150% of what I paid after 3 1/2 years and about 35k miles extra on the clock.
The drive home was stunning. It was a bright summers evening, from West Wales to South Wales. The car is a different animal to my last one. I'm still finding my way around the dogleg gearbox but 2nd to 3rd is a cinch. The turbo starts spooling up at 2k rpm and is on full boost around 3k rpm. It's not as laggy as the S1 turbo I have driven. The first time I took it up to 5k rpm in 2nd gear was fantastic! The ride is nice too, compliant on the bumps but not crashy. It feels an altogether well assembled car. Surprisingly refined with the windows closed too.
There's a few niggles to sort out at the moment, one of the sunvisor clips snapped and the Corbeau bucket seats are far from comfy. Having the headlights on also pulls a lot of volts and it seems the alternator doesn't pick them up again. Hopefully it's just a dodgy earth. Either way, it's all typical 924 stuff.
I'll have to get clued up on car cleaning too, I want to keep the black paint shiny but it's covered in bugs at the moment. I don't have a hose pipe, is Morrisons pressure washer the best bet? Or any other tips?
Still can't believe it's sat outside on the drive! I'll make some photos of it this evening.
If you need any little niggly bits drop me a line, yours for nothing.
I've not got much left but I stripped my early 1981 944 for rallying so have a fair few clips, trim pieces, assorted OEM nuts and bolts and so on just gathering dust in the garage.
Thinking about it I have a full glass set too (door glass and quarterlight) for both sides.
They came off this so most bits will work for you other than engine.
I've not got much left but I stripped my early 1981 944 for rallying so have a fair few clips, trim pieces, assorted OEM nuts and bolts and so on just gathering dust in the garage.
Thinking about it I have a full glass set too (door glass and quarterlight) for both sides.
They came off this so most bits will work for you other than engine.
Thanks for the kind offer Benjj, I'll drop you a PM.
Dropped into Porsche Cardiff this evening to see their new 924S project car. Took the parts manager for a spin and booked it in for a quick look over and to sort a few niggles.
I find myself peeping out the curtains at night to catch a glimpse in all its fly covered glory.
Dropped into Porsche Cardiff this evening to see their new 924S project car. Took the parts manager for a spin and booked it in for a quick look over and to sort a few niggles.
I find myself peeping out the curtains at night to catch a glimpse in all its fly covered glory.
I had to visit my sister up in Leeds this week and so this has taken my mileage to over 1000 in less than 7 days! Engine pulls very well and it's a great cruiser on the motorway.
I booked it in at OPC Cardiff for a full inspection just to see what I have and it was pretty good news. The car looks great underneath and the engine appears in good health. The only mechanical issue seems to be an oil leak where the gearbox meets the torque tube. This has the potential to be quite a big job but I'd rather the gearbox leak than the engine. Anyway, I've loved every mile I've put on it so far!
I booked it in at OPC Cardiff for a full inspection just to see what I have and it was pretty good news. The car looks great underneath and the engine appears in good health. The only mechanical issue seems to be an oil leak where the gearbox meets the torque tube. This has the potential to be quite a big job but I'd rather the gearbox leak than the engine. Anyway, I've loved every mile I've put on it so far!
I've been having troubles with the gearbox lately. 5th gear would pop out, then a few minutes later it was almost gone. There's a horrible rattle if I reverse and then dip the clutch.
Parked up, the car shifts nicely, and it doesn't grind gears on the move either, so I doubt it's synchros. Linkage would be another possible culprit but it's that sound of little pieces of metal floating around that leads me to believe the 5th gear dog ring is fatally wounded.
I still have the low miles 924 NA engine in a garage and managed to do a part exchange for this, a rebuilt G31 dogleg gearbox with paperwork to support. It's been sat under a work bench for a few years and was bought as a spare for a 924 Turbo rally car.
It came with gearbox mounts which look to be in excellent condition. It'll be going to OPC Cardiff early this week to be swapped over and I might as well have the linkage refreshed at the same time. My manual sports seats are at the trimmer getting a bolster repaired too. Hopefully next weekend I'll be mobile again!
Parked up, the car shifts nicely, and it doesn't grind gears on the move either, so I doubt it's synchros. Linkage would be another possible culprit but it's that sound of little pieces of metal floating around that leads me to believe the 5th gear dog ring is fatally wounded.
I still have the low miles 924 NA engine in a garage and managed to do a part exchange for this, a rebuilt G31 dogleg gearbox with paperwork to support. It's been sat under a work bench for a few years and was bought as a spare for a 924 Turbo rally car.
It came with gearbox mounts which look to be in excellent condition. It'll be going to OPC Cardiff early this week to be swapped over and I might as well have the linkage refreshed at the same time. My manual sports seats are at the trimmer getting a bolster repaired too. Hopefully next weekend I'll be mobile again!
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