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Well the M3 is sorted and is actually running better than it was before I fried half the wiring loom! It took bloody ages to find all the damaged wires, as they were at different points within the loom itself, but we're sorted now. I also had to replace the ECU and Martin at Maxx Automotive was really helpful in checking the Alpha N module and installing the latest firmware. (I hate bloody computers!) The final map came from Wayne @ Chip Wizzards and there's certainly more power throughout the rev range, but the low down flat spot is also much less now. Mind you, I plan a swap to DTA management after the summer, so there should be more to come then. It's just so expensive when you start messing with s14's and I can see why so many people swap to s50/3.0 and s54/3.2's. I really like the s14 though.
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The old H&R suspension has gone now and I'm running KW (inc true coilover rears), which are a little stiffer. I will take a look at the progressive rate springs KW offer, as because I use my car on the street, a little more compliance wouldn't be a bad thing. It's great if the roads are dry and relatively smooth but probably a little too hard for rain, unless I soften the ARB's right off? It should be awesome on track though, as it corners so flat now and really inspires confidence in what's going on beneath you. I still have to have the geometry properly set though, but at least I can get back to using it.
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My E21 should be ready to collect from www.pristinebodyworks.co.uk within the next 3 weeks! I'm really looking forward to seeing the finished car and taking it to the RR Gathering. The paintwork is stunning! . There are quite a few lovely UK E21 now so it should be quite a stand given it's the 40th anniversary of the BMW 3 series.
A taster.
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The old H&R suspension has gone now and I'm running KW (inc true coilover rears), which are a little stiffer. I will take a look at the progressive rate springs KW offer, as because I use my car on the street, a little more compliance wouldn't be a bad thing. It's great if the roads are dry and relatively smooth but probably a little too hard for rain, unless I soften the ARB's right off? It should be awesome on track though, as it corners so flat now and really inspires confidence in what's going on beneath you. I still have to have the geometry properly set though, but at least I can get back to using it.
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My E21 should be ready to collect from www.pristinebodyworks.co.uk within the next 3 weeks! I'm really looking forward to seeing the finished car and taking it to the RR Gathering. The paintwork is stunning! . There are quite a few lovely UK E21 now so it should be quite a stand given it's the 40th anniversary of the BMW 3 series.
A taster.
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Mine is a stock engine and made another 15 or so, thanks to the air box. I intend going with DTA soon and a Schrick inlet cam, but will have to start saving for a stroker kit etc. If I'm honest though, I don't have any desperate need for more power though anyway, so am just enjoying the improved suspension and brakes.
The KW's are certainly a step up from my old H&R set-up. I do intend softening the rears slightly, as I think it's just a bit too hard for wet weather. In the dry though, it's great and is nice and flat through the bends. I'm looking forward to putting a few laps in at Brands and seeing if lap times support my feeling that it's a better handling car now? I may just soften the ARB's before I mess with spring rates though.
I've just replaced my rear brake pads with Hawk blue and re secured the cold air ducting on the fronts. I still need to replace the ABS sensors though, but have been considering removing the ABS all together.
Hopefully I will have a new pair of Corbeau Club Sport seats soon. Once fitted, I 'll have the interior pretty much as I want it.
The KW's are certainly a step up from my old H&R set-up. I do intend softening the rears slightly, as I think it's just a bit too hard for wet weather. In the dry though, it's great and is nice and flat through the bends. I'm looking forward to putting a few laps in at Brands and seeing if lap times support my feeling that it's a better handling car now? I may just soften the ARB's before I mess with spring rates though.
I've just replaced my rear brake pads with Hawk blue and re secured the cold air ducting on the fronts. I still need to replace the ABS sensors though, but have been considering removing the ABS all together.
Hopefully I will have a new pair of Corbeau Club Sport seats soon. Once fitted, I 'll have the interior pretty much as I want it.
PBMWsam said:
Enjoy this car! Not often you see a e30 caged up. Are you heading to gaydon next weekend?
Running R compound tyres can give you a lower reading on a dyno too, if your figures are still down.
I'd like to go full Grp A cage eventually but the SD bolt-in cage will do for a while. I took the time to make sure the floors were properly reinforced etc. Right now though, I'm waiting on a custom race seat.Running R compound tyres can give you a lower reading on a dyno too, if your figures are still down.
No Gaydon I'm afraid, as I'm keeping it local next weekend.
http://www.boconnocmotorsport.co.uk
It's Retro Rides Gathering the following weekend and am hoping to finally have the E21 on the road after a 2+ year build. It has been built as a daily driver but things kinda got out of hand, as they do.
Edited by e21Mark on Saturday 8th August 14:12
Made it to Retro Rides and was able to get 3 runs in up the hill, before the heavens opened.
The rain was pretty heavy!
Taking to the hill confirmed that I much prefer having a competition seat, as opposed to slippery leather Recaros. Luckily I found a seat that's wide enough for my fat arse! It's taken a little getting used to but there's no more hanging off the steering wheel. I simply couldn't enjoy the handling to the full with the OE Recaros.
I also tidied up the engine bay. It's not perfect but certainly much better than it was. I also ditched the aftermarket rear lights for stock ones and think it looks much nicer for doing so.
The rain was pretty heavy!
Taking to the hill confirmed that I much prefer having a competition seat, as opposed to slippery leather Recaros. Luckily I found a seat that's wide enough for my fat arse! It's taken a little getting used to but there's no more hanging off the steering wheel. I simply couldn't enjoy the handling to the full with the OE Recaros.
I also tidied up the engine bay. It's not perfect but certainly much better than it was. I also ditched the aftermarket rear lights for stock ones and think it looks much nicer for doing so.
Goodness knows where the past 3 months went but there have been a few changes made to the E30. The most obvious of these are the new seats (Sparco Evo) and Sabelt 4 point harnesses, with proper aircraft type buckles. I had to remove the Sabelt seat as it was just far too restrictive and I couldn't drive. I went back to my old Ridgard seats for a while but was never happy about having a tubular framed seat. My biggest problem was finding a seat large enough for my generously proportioned buttocks but the Evo 3 is spot on. It's probably about as large as you could squeeze into an E30 but a bit of modifying to the mounts and we were good to go. The Sabelt harnesses may be a couple of years old but you'd never know it to look at them. Now, when I'm properly strapped in, I really feel comfortable. They've also made the interior look much nicer, which doesn't hurt.
Recently I have also been looking at my options for a bit more power. An S50/3.0 would have been nice and I almost bought a low mileage example from Jersey. The problem was, once I factored in a few choice parts (such as a carbon air box and 6 speed box) it started getting expensive. Added to which I've always thought the S14 was the perfect engine for the M3 so pulling out mine just felt wrong. Instead, I have opted for Schrick cams and standalone ignition, in an effort to make a reliable 250 brake.
Recently I have also been looking at my options for a bit more power. An S50/3.0 would have been nice and I almost bought a low mileage example from Jersey. The problem was, once I factored in a few choice parts (such as a carbon air box and 6 speed box) it started getting expensive. Added to which I've always thought the S14 was the perfect engine for the M3 so pulling out mine just felt wrong. Instead, I have opted for Schrick cams and standalone ignition, in an effort to make a reliable 250 brake.
Edited by e21Mark on Tuesday 8th December 12:17
Have put a few miles on the M3 and am just about used to the new seat now. I am probably going to tilt it back a little more, so as to increase the support under my thighs, but it's certainly much more comfortable than the old seat. Especially when properly strapped into place. I have also replaced the steering wheel with a flat bottom version which feels far nicer, whilst giving a little more room underneath. The final job will be replacing the AC Schnitzer gear knob with the Storm V1 brushed stainless version. The AC one has a very slight ridge on the top, which makes the palm of my hand sore on longer journeys. It's only a small thing I know, but it spoils driving and I know the Storm gear knob is an excellent product and far more tactile.
Whilst I intend swapping to DTA engine management fairly soon, I hope to try another Motronic ECU later and just see if that is what's causing the recent running problem? I can't believe the prices some folk are charging for E30 M3 spares now. I rang a fairly well known BMW independent up north, to see if they might have an old 071 DME they'd part with? They did but they wanted £500 for it! Given that my DTA S40 Pro is just £475, I politely declined. It just seems that any M3 spares are being over priced nowadays. How about a pair of sill covers? Just £800 each! Anyway, it will be interesting to see if the DME makes any difference but I have replaced literally every other sensor, along with new plugs, leads, dizzy cap etc etc. I think the only part I haven't replaced is the coil, which I may do just for the hell of it, as I have one here. I'm just at a loss to think of any other reason for the poor running I've suffered recently? I really need to hook up the Tech-Edge AFR gauge too, so I can keep a close eye on the mixture which still seems a little rich. The weird thing is the rough running from cold. It fires and starts but blip the throttle a bit too heavily and it'll die. Go easy and warm it through and it'll run OK, but it's just not 'right'. I've tried several AN maps (as well as live tweaking to try and dial out any flat spots) but there's no improvement. It feels as though there's something causing the problem, as opposed to it being an issue with the mapping itself. The problem started with the current Motronic DME, hence my thinking I should try another and see if there's an improvement? I also did a compression check and all seemed OK at 200 190 190 200 and the tappets were at the top end of recommended gap but should still be fine. It certainly doesn't sound ''tappety'' either. Mind you, it wouldn't explain the mixture getting richer. I just can't fathom what would be making the ECU think it needs more fuel when all the sensors are new and working? I've also done a continuity test on the wiring and all seems well.
Anyway, next move is to try the other ECU.
Whilst I intend swapping to DTA engine management fairly soon, I hope to try another Motronic ECU later and just see if that is what's causing the recent running problem? I can't believe the prices some folk are charging for E30 M3 spares now. I rang a fairly well known BMW independent up north, to see if they might have an old 071 DME they'd part with? They did but they wanted £500 for it! Given that my DTA S40 Pro is just £475, I politely declined. It just seems that any M3 spares are being over priced nowadays. How about a pair of sill covers? Just £800 each! Anyway, it will be interesting to see if the DME makes any difference but I have replaced literally every other sensor, along with new plugs, leads, dizzy cap etc etc. I think the only part I haven't replaced is the coil, which I may do just for the hell of it, as I have one here. I'm just at a loss to think of any other reason for the poor running I've suffered recently? I really need to hook up the Tech-Edge AFR gauge too, so I can keep a close eye on the mixture which still seems a little rich. The weird thing is the rough running from cold. It fires and starts but blip the throttle a bit too heavily and it'll die. Go easy and warm it through and it'll run OK, but it's just not 'right'. I've tried several AN maps (as well as live tweaking to try and dial out any flat spots) but there's no improvement. It feels as though there's something causing the problem, as opposed to it being an issue with the mapping itself. The problem started with the current Motronic DME, hence my thinking I should try another and see if there's an improvement? I also did a compression check and all seemed OK at 200 190 190 200 and the tappets were at the top end of recommended gap but should still be fine. It certainly doesn't sound ''tappety'' either. Mind you, it wouldn't explain the mixture getting richer. I just can't fathom what would be making the ECU think it needs more fuel when all the sensors are new and working? I've also done a continuity test on the wiring and all seems well.
Anyway, next move is to try the other ECU.
Edited by e21Mark on Saturday 19th December 14:18
Just finished my way through reading all of this thread. Well done on the effort being put into
making the car how you want and also the effort to keeping this thread going with pictured updates.
You must not have a day job with all that effort!!
By the way I have seen this car before when it was getting work done in the West of Ireland.
You mention there was an owner between 2003-2005,
I would think it would have been 2005 at some stage when I saw it getting some work done.
The car belonged to a guy from Dublin, was he the last Irish owner before you bought it?
From what I am aware he ran a chain of fast food restaurants in Dublin and loved his cars and spent
000s and 000s at that garage to get it to a trackway specification.
I think he was a Porsche owner too and he might have had another M car as a daily car. They took the E30 to the Nurburgring, maybe a few times
and would have done I'm sure plenty of track days at Modello Park in Dublin.
Im not entirely sure how it ended up getting the work done where I lived considering it is the other side
of the country (not very far to travel saying that though). I know the particular garage has lots of nice motors
getting worked on in there, Porsches, M's, some old Ferraris, Audi RS etc so I presumed they earned a good name
through the grapevine at trackday meets etc.
You mention that the cage was put in rather shabbily.
I didn't read you saying much apart from that regarding the condition of the car from the previous owner?
You seem to be spending money on this car all the time, Upgrades here and there, but never complaining about that aspect.
Have you calculated up the total costs you have spent since you purchased?
It would be an interesting post to see a detailed list of that. I would guess you must be up to 15k pound?
I must say I much prefer the more recent wheels you bought over the compomotive ones and also
the switch back to standard backlight. I dont recall you posting a picture of the rear since that, but I may have missed it as
I am going square eyed now.
making the car how you want and also the effort to keeping this thread going with pictured updates.
You must not have a day job with all that effort!!
By the way I have seen this car before when it was getting work done in the West of Ireland.
You mention there was an owner between 2003-2005,
I would think it would have been 2005 at some stage when I saw it getting some work done.
The car belonged to a guy from Dublin, was he the last Irish owner before you bought it?
From what I am aware he ran a chain of fast food restaurants in Dublin and loved his cars and spent
000s and 000s at that garage to get it to a trackway specification.
I think he was a Porsche owner too and he might have had another M car as a daily car. They took the E30 to the Nurburgring, maybe a few times
and would have done I'm sure plenty of track days at Modello Park in Dublin.
Im not entirely sure how it ended up getting the work done where I lived considering it is the other side
of the country (not very far to travel saying that though). I know the particular garage has lots of nice motors
getting worked on in there, Porsches, M's, some old Ferraris, Audi RS etc so I presumed they earned a good name
through the grapevine at trackday meets etc.
You mention that the cage was put in rather shabbily.
I didn't read you saying much apart from that regarding the condition of the car from the previous owner?
You seem to be spending money on this car all the time, Upgrades here and there, but never complaining about that aspect.
Have you calculated up the total costs you have spent since you purchased?
It would be an interesting post to see a detailed list of that. I would guess you must be up to 15k pound?
I must say I much prefer the more recent wheels you bought over the compomotive ones and also
the switch back to standard backlight. I dont recall you posting a picture of the rear since that, but I may have missed it as
I am going square eyed now.
There were 2 owners in Ireland (I'm in touch with both via Facebook) and it was the first who had the upgrades done. He emigrated to Oz and the second owner eventually sold it via his used car dealership. I saw it advertised and flew out to view it in late 2013 I think? It was basically a good car and had several mods that I wanted, such as the carbon air box, lower ratio LSD and cage. The body shell was pretty solid, although there were stone chips and a small dent in the C pillar. Mechanically everything seemed in good order, although there was no service history to confirm what maintenance had been carried out. Fortunately, once I had traced the first Irish owner, I was able to find out he still had everything and this included things like the original purchase invoice etc. I'm just waiting on his flying home to Ireland on a visit, so that he can get it all out of storage for me. (Do you know the name of the workshop you mentioned?) It was through this guy that I was able to get the name of the last mainland UK owner and trace him via Google and companies house.
I haven't really kept a running total of what has been spent on the M3 in my ownership but I've tried to keep it in the best condition I could. I was fortunate that the insurance took care of the biggest expenditure, which was the rear panel repair and full respray. Even the smaller service items can rack up considerable bills though. An oil and filter change, new plugs and distributor cap and rotor arm will cost over £300. I've also replaced all the under bonnet sensors, battery, radiator and thermostat, so there's an easy £500 plus there. It's money well spent though, as it has meant reliability. I also change the oil and filter after every track day, so as to keep the s14 engine healthy.
When we examined the shell structure fully, the only corrosion was the end of the sills and a patch in the nearside foot well. I also opted to repaint the floor and smarten things up. This is why I fitted a carpet, so as to protect it and keep it looking as new. The dash was also removed and any old wiring removed. This, along with flocking the dash and strengthening the cage mounts, was around £2k. I don't smoke or drink though and there are certainly worse things to spend my money on.
This is how it looks now with the OE rear lights fitted.
I haven't really kept a running total of what has been spent on the M3 in my ownership but I've tried to keep it in the best condition I could. I was fortunate that the insurance took care of the biggest expenditure, which was the rear panel repair and full respray. Even the smaller service items can rack up considerable bills though. An oil and filter change, new plugs and distributor cap and rotor arm will cost over £300. I've also replaced all the under bonnet sensors, battery, radiator and thermostat, so there's an easy £500 plus there. It's money well spent though, as it has meant reliability. I also change the oil and filter after every track day, so as to keep the s14 engine healthy.
When we examined the shell structure fully, the only corrosion was the end of the sills and a patch in the nearside foot well. I also opted to repaint the floor and smarten things up. This is why I fitted a carpet, so as to protect it and keep it looking as new. The dash was also removed and any old wiring removed. This, along with flocking the dash and strengthening the cage mounts, was around £2k. I don't smoke or drink though and there are certainly worse things to spend my money on.
This is how it looks now with the OE rear lights fitted.
The car looks great. Maybe then the costs are nowhere near as much as I estimated.
I could be getting my wires crossed and its not the same car at all but the garage I am talking about
is Fahys garage. I dont think they have a website
http://www.yelp.com.au/biz/fahys-garage-oranmore
Did you buy the car from Tony Kelly cars in Ireland by any chance I remember they had one for sale.
I could be getting my wires crossed and its not the same car at all but the garage I am talking about
is Fahys garage. I dont think they have a website
http://www.yelp.com.au/biz/fahys-garage-oranmore
Did you buy the car from Tony Kelly cars in Ireland by any chance I remember they had one for sale.
japseye007 said:
The car looks great. Maybe then the costs are nowhere near as much as I estimated.
I could be getting my wires crossed and its not the same car at all but the garage I am talking about
is Fahys garage. I dont think they have a website
http://www.yelp.com.au/biz/fahys-garage-oranmore
Did you buy the car from Tony Kelly cars in Ireland by any chance I remember they had one for sale.
Bought it from here - http://www.specialistcars.ie/index.phpI could be getting my wires crossed and its not the same car at all but the garage I am talking about
is Fahys garage. I dont think they have a website
http://www.yelp.com.au/biz/fahys-garage-oranmore
Did you buy the car from Tony Kelly cars in Ireland by any chance I remember they had one for sale.
This is how it looks when clean.
It says specialist cars by Jason Kelly, I would think its the same crowd as the Tony Kelly garage that I mentioned. From what I remember they were looking for big money at the time when there wouldn't have been much of a market for it in Ireland, with the GFC and the price of insurance/tax on a car like this. There aren't or at least weren't at the time maybe only one or two insurance companies who would even quote given that it was LHD, so the prohibitive costs in Ireland would have whittled down the potential buyers A lot.
I'm not sure if that's the same car as the one I saw at this particular garage that I mentioned to you but it could well be.
You could always give them a call if there is anything you want to know but sounds like your all over it already. Ask for Tom if you do call he would be the guy that would have been working on it or at the very least know all the work that was done on it.
I'm not sure if that's the same car as the one I saw at this particular garage that I mentioned to you but it could well be.
You could always give them a call if there is anything you want to know but sounds like your all over it already. Ask for Tom if you do call he would be the guy that would have been working on it or at the very least know all the work that was done on it.
Stunning looking car. Always had a thing for these, worked for a dealership when they were new and can still remember the excitement when the Sport Evo arrived in the showroom. I've wanted one ever since but as I wasn't one of last nights winners, it will have to remain in the Dream garage.
I looked at a couple of early cars back in '98' when they were about £6k. Decided that they were not fast enough and would be too expensive to repair, so I bought a Cosworth instead (I was only 25). Guess which would have been the better investment?
Anyway enough rambling, an amazing car which definitely looks better with the proper rear lights back in.
I looked at a couple of early cars back in '98' when they were about £6k. Decided that they were not fast enough and would be too expensive to repair, so I bought a Cosworth instead (I was only 25). Guess which would have been the better investment?
Anyway enough rambling, an amazing car which definitely looks better with the proper rear lights back in.
I must admit, I like both types of rear light but those aftermarket ones are worth upwards of £400 and I'd rather spend that on upgrades. In fact, selling them paid for the OE replacements and a DTA Pro 60 ECU.
I know what you mean about them not being particularly quick, although a shorter diff ratio has helped mine. I intend having some flow work done too, as there are some pretty big gains to be made with the s14 head. I'm considering either Schrick or Cat camshafts. My aim is a reliable 250 brake, which is enough to be fun in an e30, but it starts getting very expensive after that. This is mainly why I have concentrated on getting the suspension and brakes sorted. I've yet to experience the KW suspension on the track but hope to make Brands in Feb or March. The Tarox 6 pot brakes are pretty impressive too.
I intend doing some sprints this year too. I usually enter Crystal Palace over the May bank holiday weekend and this will be the most competitive car I've used. It's quite a short, yet technical course, that should suit the M3 pretty well. I'm also hoping to do an event in France or Switzerland , as their speed events are so much bigger and better than ours. There's a taster here, although you may need to up your volume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5JX81GzqA
I know what you mean about them not being particularly quick, although a shorter diff ratio has helped mine. I intend having some flow work done too, as there are some pretty big gains to be made with the s14 head. I'm considering either Schrick or Cat camshafts. My aim is a reliable 250 brake, which is enough to be fun in an e30, but it starts getting very expensive after that. This is mainly why I have concentrated on getting the suspension and brakes sorted. I've yet to experience the KW suspension on the track but hope to make Brands in Feb or March. The Tarox 6 pot brakes are pretty impressive too.
I intend doing some sprints this year too. I usually enter Crystal Palace over the May bank holiday weekend and this will be the most competitive car I've used. It's quite a short, yet technical course, that should suit the M3 pretty well. I'm also hoping to do an event in France or Switzerland , as their speed events are so much bigger and better than ours. There's a taster here, although you may need to up your volume.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV5JX81GzqA
Have spent the past week or so stripping back the engine bay wiring look, whilst looking for 30+ missing brake horsepowers! Cold running was also terrible, which pointed in the direction of the coolant temperature sensor. In fact, I replaced every sensor there is, as well as plugs, leads, dizzy cap, rotor arm etc. None of them made any real difference though, so I only had the wiring harness left to change.
First job was cutting back all of the harness casing to expose the wiring itself and then checking it inch by inch. Sods law meant it was in the last foot or so, that we found 3 melted wires that had fused together. Sure enough one was for the coolant temp' sensor and original Motronic ECU. There was also an earth that had broken. Even a bridging the damaged wires, as a temporary repair, cured the cold running fault!
Obviously, while the air box etc is off, it makes sense to search out any other potential faults. The obvious one was the missing and damaged 'O' rings between the air box and ITB's. I also want to replace the air filter in the snorkel as the original is a bit tired and grotty. Hopefully everything will be back together and ready for a dyne run next week.
First job was cutting back all of the harness casing to expose the wiring itself and then checking it inch by inch. Sods law meant it was in the last foot or so, that we found 3 melted wires that had fused together. Sure enough one was for the coolant temp' sensor and original Motronic ECU. There was also an earth that had broken. Even a bridging the damaged wires, as a temporary repair, cured the cold running fault!
Obviously, while the air box etc is off, it makes sense to search out any other potential faults. The obvious one was the missing and damaged 'O' rings between the air box and ITB's. I also want to replace the air filter in the snorkel as the original is a bit tired and grotty. Hopefully everything will be back together and ready for a dyne run next week.
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