Yet another rescued E36 328i M Sport project...
Discussion
BGarside said:
Slightly off topic but a question for the OP, where does one acquire an adapted M50 intake manifold, oversized throttle body and heat shielded induction kit for the M52 motor these days? It seems like about 10 years ago there were some guys on e36coupe.com selling these items but they don't seem to be available any more.
Bought my 328i this year and would like to derestrict the engine...
They are become rare as rocking horse sBought my 328i this year and would like to derestrict the engine...
t these days, but I can have a word with one of my BMW fanatic mates to ask around and see if they can come up with anything. BTW the M50 manifold comes from the E36 325i engine but you will need to be sure that it isn't cracked - as they are made of plastic. K&N Filters make cold air induction kits and heat shields.Have a look at http://www.ebay.com/bhp/e36-cold-air-intake
or http://www.knfilters.com/cold_air_intake/bmw_328i....
You will need the heat shield to go with them too.
BGarside said:
Slightly off topic but a question for the OP, where does one acquire an adapted M50 intake manifold, oversized throttle body and heat shielded induction kit for the M52 motor these days? It seems like about 10 years ago there were some guys on e36coupe.com selling these items but they don't seem to be available any more.
Bought my 328i this year and would like to derestrict the engine...
If it helps, I've got an M50 intake manifold that I would be happy to sell. Feel free to drop me an email if it's any use?Bought my 328i this year and would like to derestrict the engine...
RickBristol said:
Does this count as a zero mileage car? What would you classify it as? Mechanically, all the main stuff has been replaced...
Might be worth a bit of debate...
No. Not even close, in fact.Might be worth a bit of debate...
Edited by RickBristol on Friday 12th August 23:05
This doesn't stop it being a nice little build, but you're beginning to sound a bit delusional...
C70R said:
No. Not even close, in fact.
This doesn't stop it being a nice little build, but you're beginning to sound a bit delusional...
Ah ha! Exactly what I intended with my post... Delusional not, just stirring up some debate around what people might consider a rebuilt car to be classified as... This doesn't stop it being a nice little build, but you're beginning to sound a bit delusional...
Personally, I'm just gonna be happy having a car that will have a whole new lease of life, regardless of what the clock says...
smiles1 said:
BGarside said:
Slightly off topic but a question for the OP, where does one acquire an adapted M50 intake manifold, oversized throttle body and heat shielded induction kit for the M52 motor these days? It seems like about 10 years ago there were some guys on e36coupe.com selling these items but they don't seem to be available any more.
Bought my 328i this year and would like to derestrict the engine...
If it helps, I've got an M50 intake manifold that I would be happy to sell. Feel free to drop me an email if it's any use?Bought my 328i this year and would like to derestrict the engine...
You will also need to buy an M52 to M50 conversion kit. Costs about £70 and you can find them on line. The manifold itself is the key piece in the puzzle though!
Ben, just bear in mind that once you have done the M50 manifold conversion, the large bore throttle body, the cold air induction kit etc. You will then need to get the car re-mapped to properly benefit from the upgrades... Will give a good few extra horses as well as making the car sound amazing!
I figured a remap/rechip would be necessary. Do the M50 to M52 manifold conversion kits allow the M52 throttle body to be fitted to the manifold?
Car also has ASC which I'll look at junking if poss as that's yet another throttle body.
Car was nikasil, '95 year, 33k miles from new and is currently having a used alusil engine fitted as well as a secondhand gearbox as 2nd gear was damaged. I've had the car 2 months and it's,spent most of that at the local specialists. I should have just stuck with my 325 coupe I think!!
Car also has ASC which I'll look at junking if poss as that's yet another throttle body.
Car was nikasil, '95 year, 33k miles from new and is currently having a used alusil engine fitted as well as a secondhand gearbox as 2nd gear was damaged. I've had the car 2 months and it's,spent most of that at the local specialists. I should have just stuck with my 325 coupe I think!!
RickBristol said:
C70R said:
No. Not even close, in fact.
This doesn't stop it being a nice little build, but you're beginning to sound a bit delusional...
Ah ha! Exactly what I intended with my post... Delusional not, just stirring up some debate around what people might consider a rebuilt car to be classified as... This doesn't stop it being a nice little build, but you're beginning to sound a bit delusional...
Personally, I'm just gonna be happy having a car that will have a whole new lease of life, regardless of what the clock says...
BGarside said:
I figured a remap/rechip would be necessary. Do the M50 to M52 manifold conversion kits allow the M52 throttle body to be fitted to the manifold?
Car also has ASC which I'll look at junking if poss as that's yet another throttle body.
Car was nikasil, '95 year, 33k miles from new and is currently having a used alusil engine fitted as well as a secondhand gearbox as 2nd gear was damaged. I've had the car 2 months and it's,spent most of that at the local specialists. I should have just stuck with my 325 coupe I think!!
The standard throttle body will still fit - It's only the barrel size of the throttle body that is different. Car also has ASC which I'll look at junking if poss as that's yet another throttle body.
Car was nikasil, '95 year, 33k miles from new and is currently having a used alusil engine fitted as well as a secondhand gearbox as 2nd gear was damaged. I've had the car 2 months and it's,spent most of that at the local specialists. I should have just stuck with my 325 coupe I think!!
Chances are, the ASC may or may not still be working.
33k miles from new! Must have spent a good deal of its life tucked away somewhere. There can't be many examples out there with low mileage like that.
RickBristol said:
Fair comment on rather naive comment - no need to be rude though. 
Problem with the internet - a bit like when people are driving in their cars - leads some people to say things that they wouldn't say to your face. Nuff said! Now be civilised and act like a grown up or do one!
I don't really think this is quite the same - after all, I haven't insulted your sexual orientation or parentage...Problem with the internet - a bit like when people are driving in their cars - leads some people to say things that they wouldn't say to your face. Nuff said! Now be civilised and act like a grown up or do one!
I love a restoration thread like this (living vicariously, as someone without the time/patience), but there's nothing more frustrating/embarrassing than people trying to talk up their own property. Kudos to you for spending the time/money on doing this properly, but you're labouring under extreme delusion if you think this is a "zero mile" car that's suddenly worth more than average M3 money.
Perpetuating this kind of baseless cr*p results in people challenging you, and detracts from an otherwise excellent thread. Keep up the good work, and tone down the hyperbole.
PS - I don't think they ever made an E36 "328i M Sport". It was just called the "328i Sport".
OK, I understand and realised that maybe I was a little over-revving with enthusiasm - been a long journey... Thanks for the advice on getting side tracked with hyperbole. And thanks for your continued interest.
M Sport was what I originally thought I bought. It was, however manufactured with the full M spec body kit and interior bits. Have learnt an awful lot since owning this one as opposed to previously just owning and driving previous BMWs.
Hoping to get the new rebuilt lump back into the car in the next week or so - depending on how much time my mate can spare. Should have some nice / interesting pics to put up then, and maybe a vid of the engine running for the first time...
M Sport was what I originally thought I bought. It was, however manufactured with the full M spec body kit and interior bits. Have learnt an awful lot since owning this one as opposed to previously just owning and driving previous BMWs.
Hoping to get the new rebuilt lump back into the car in the next week or so - depending on how much time my mate can spare. Should have some nice / interesting pics to put up then, and maybe a vid of the engine running for the first time...
RickBristol said:
BGarside said:
I figured a remap/rechip would be necessary. Do the M50 to M52 manifold conversion kits allow the M52 throttle body to be fitted to the manifold?
Car also has ASC which I'll look at junking if poss as that's yet another throttle body.
Car was nikasil, '95 year, 33k miles from new and is currently having a used alusil engine fitted as well as a secondhand gearbox as 2nd gear was damaged. I've had the car 2 months and it's,spent most of that at the local specialists. I should have just stuck with my 325 coupe I think!!
The standard throttle body will still fit - It's only the barrel size of the throttle body that is different. Car also has ASC which I'll look at junking if poss as that's yet another throttle body.
Car was nikasil, '95 year, 33k miles from new and is currently having a used alusil engine fitted as well as a secondhand gearbox as 2nd gear was damaged. I've had the car 2 months and it's,spent most of that at the local specialists. I should have just stuck with my 325 coupe I think!!
Chances are, the ASC may or may not still be working.
33k miles from new! Must have spent a good deal of its life tucked away somewhere. There can't be many examples out there with low mileage like that.
Car's been a financial disaster so far. Cost £4k and I've put another £3k-plus into replacing various bits plus engine/gearbox swap. The manifold conversion, fitting and remap will come to another £700 or so. Not worth spending the cash on a standard 328 coupe - it's not a Sport... At least the suspension and body are in good nick.....
Time for the latest installment of the engine rebuild progress.
Sam has put an awful lot of hours and elbow grease in meticulously cleaning the engine components before reinstalling them into the engine. You would expect the crap to be cleaned out, but how many people would go to the trouble of removing the patina?
You can see in the picture below, the difference a bit of time and effort makes when you look at the cam bearing caps before and after cleaning.
I know that many would expect to see that but how many would go to that trouble when faced with a large number of parts?... Cheers mate, you're a star!
The next couple of pics show:
an uncleaned cam after it was returned from Piper...
and the same cam after it has bean thoroughly cleaned...
Now a case in point. Take a look at how clean the head is, and then you realise just how much effort and hours went into getting it looking so good.
There are, however, some understandable limits. The cam trays would have been an absolute bh to remove all the patina, but its good to see them on the head, and the lifters in place.
The cams themselves are now placed into the cam trays, with the exhaust cam having its bearing caps fitted.
Here is a shot of the front of the cams showing the VANOS drive gear on the inlet cam.
Here you can see the cam shaft lock blocks in place, to ensure cams are positioned correctly before fitting the timing chain.
With the lock blocks still in place, the timing chains and tensioner are now fitted.
This shot shows the crank sensor ring and belt pulleys now fitted to the crank.
Shown here is the VANOS unit. It consists of a solenoid, and a hydraulic gear that is activated when oil pressure is released into the unit by the solenoid. This is from the inside and is before cleaning...
Another shot of the VANOS after it has been cleaned.
The next shot shows VANOS unit now fitted to the head. If you attempt doing this sort of work there are many useful You Tube vids that give many important tips and guides when doing critical jobs like getting the VANOS installed correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jXHhkpV_I for example.
A top shot of the inlet cam inner oil cover installed.
This shot shows the cam inner oil cover gasket in place.
Nice shot of the main plastic VANOS and valve cover now fitted.
The coil packs have now been refitted and the engine is now nearly complete.
The final shot of this installment showing the water pump, belt tensioner and oil filter housing now fitted.
There are, of course, numerous other bits to be fitted before the rebuilt lump is ready to install into the car, and the old lump needs to come out and the engine bay given a thorough clean. Should have more pics of all of this ready for the next update.
Sam has put an awful lot of hours and elbow grease in meticulously cleaning the engine components before reinstalling them into the engine. You would expect the crap to be cleaned out, but how many people would go to the trouble of removing the patina?
You can see in the picture below, the difference a bit of time and effort makes when you look at the cam bearing caps before and after cleaning.
I know that many would expect to see that but how many would go to that trouble when faced with a large number of parts?... Cheers mate, you're a star!
The next couple of pics show:
an uncleaned cam after it was returned from Piper...
and the same cam after it has bean thoroughly cleaned...
Now a case in point. Take a look at how clean the head is, and then you realise just how much effort and hours went into getting it looking so good.
There are, however, some understandable limits. The cam trays would have been an absolute b
h to remove all the patina, but its good to see them on the head, and the lifters in place.The cams themselves are now placed into the cam trays, with the exhaust cam having its bearing caps fitted.
Here is a shot of the front of the cams showing the VANOS drive gear on the inlet cam.
Here you can see the cam shaft lock blocks in place, to ensure cams are positioned correctly before fitting the timing chain.
With the lock blocks still in place, the timing chains and tensioner are now fitted.
This shot shows the crank sensor ring and belt pulleys now fitted to the crank.
Shown here is the VANOS unit. It consists of a solenoid, and a hydraulic gear that is activated when oil pressure is released into the unit by the solenoid. This is from the inside and is before cleaning...
Another shot of the VANOS after it has been cleaned.
The next shot shows VANOS unit now fitted to the head. If you attempt doing this sort of work there are many useful You Tube vids that give many important tips and guides when doing critical jobs like getting the VANOS installed correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jXHhkpV_I for example.
A top shot of the inlet cam inner oil cover installed.
This shot shows the cam inner oil cover gasket in place.
Nice shot of the main plastic VANOS and valve cover now fitted.
The coil packs have now been refitted and the engine is now nearly complete.
The final shot of this installment showing the water pump, belt tensioner and oil filter housing now fitted.
There are, of course, numerous other bits to be fitted before the rebuilt lump is ready to install into the car, and the old lump needs to come out and the engine bay given a thorough clean. Should have more pics of all of this ready for the next update.
Time for the latest update. The old engine now needs to be removed from the car in preparation to get the engine bay sorted and ready before the rebuilt lump is installed.
First off, the front end lights and ancillaries - trim, lights, trim etc - are stripped from the front of the car.
Next, the front bumper is removed from the car.
Once the front panels have been removed, the fan, radiator and other components at the front of the engine bay can now be accessed for removal.
The car is now jacked up to allow for releasing the gearbox and engine mounting bolts.
Next, the engine hoist is moved into position ready to lift the engine and gearbox unit out.
A shot here of lifting the lump out of the engine bay.
Now the engine has been extracted from the car.
After the engine has been removed, it will now be possible to assess the work that will need to be done to sort any rust etc, before the rebuilt engine is installed in the car.
There are a couple of areas below the windscreen washer reservoir that are going to need attention.
and finally, a shot of the car after the day's work has been done.
Have plenty more photos of the work to upload and will sort in the next week or so...
First off, the front end lights and ancillaries - trim, lights, trim etc - are stripped from the front of the car.
Next, the front bumper is removed from the car.
Once the front panels have been removed, the fan, radiator and other components at the front of the engine bay can now be accessed for removal.
The car is now jacked up to allow for releasing the gearbox and engine mounting bolts.
Next, the engine hoist is moved into position ready to lift the engine and gearbox unit out.
A shot here of lifting the lump out of the engine bay.
Now the engine has been extracted from the car.
After the engine has been removed, it will now be possible to assess the work that will need to be done to sort any rust etc, before the rebuilt engine is installed in the car.
There are a couple of areas below the windscreen washer reservoir that are going to need attention.
and finally, a shot of the car after the day's work has been done.
Have plenty more photos of the work to upload and will sort in the next week or so...
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