Yet another rescued E36 328i M Sport project...

Yet another rescued E36 328i M Sport project...

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carpetsoiler

1,958 posts

165 months

Tuesday 15th November 2016
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PlayFair said:
Fair play for all the work put in.

But...

If you wanted to maximise profits at the end and ask for top money - IMO you should have used all original parts and spent that extra bit of money doing everything 100%

I personally, would rather have a E36 that used original brakes/suspension/parts than E46 brakes if I was paying TOP money and wanted an original in order to put to one side to collect/store for investment.
It isn't about maximising profit.

Rick isn't planning on selling this car.

These are also sympathetic changes which enhance the car, which is the whole point of this project. It's about creating a car that you want to drive, as opposed to creating a car you're happy to keep in a garage.

Not every project is driven by a want to make money at the end of it, some are done to create a product that is aesthetically appealing, yet also provides pleasure in spades.

The E36 that you describe could never be this car. For example, if we were to do it that way, would you include the limited slip diff? It's not a part of the original spec, but it makes it a better car. I fail to see it as detrimental to the overall project. In fact, to decry it because it's 'not original' is downright stupid, in my opinion. It's about taking some of the weaknesses of the car, be it small brakes, a crap intake manifold, a sloppy gear shifter, or slightly slow steering, and using an entire inventory of original BMW products/quality aftermarket parts to make it the car it should have been from the factory.

But hey... that's the joy of these things.

RickBristol

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330 posts

116 months

Wednesday 16th November 2016
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Now onto this...

Have you actually read any of the inordinate amounts of stuff that people went on about money spent vs ROI? Must admit that I did have a rather large part to play in that... getmecoat

However, this project has evolved into wanting to restore this car to both its original spec and realising that the original had many flaws that BMW built into it that we had the opportunity to rectify. I have gone way beyond worrying about the cost - probably have sunk around £6.5k to £8k into this project to date. Spent around £2.5k on sorting the lovely new lump alone, cheap too for what I got.

To put it into perspective, there are still those out there that are willing to take a reasonable nick E36 M3 and 'track it'. Will cost an absolute fortune, and will never be able to be returned to the roads...

This car is going to be lush and a one-off when it is finished, and I don't give a hoot about ROI - though I bet in a few years time the right person would be willing to pay way more than I've spent - because A. it won't be for sale, and B. its gonna be such fking fun to drive! driving

PlayFair said:
Fair play for all the work put in.

But...

If you wanted to maximise profits at the end and ask for top money - IMO you should have used all original parts and spent that extra bit of money doing everything 100%

I personally, would rather have a E36 that used original brakes/suspension/parts than E46 brakes if I was paying TOP money and wanted an original in order to put to one side to collect/store for investment.
We decided to keep it looking as original as possible - done the bodywork and had it rebadged as original, bought and refurbished a set of RC041 BBS wheels to put back on it, at considerable expense - just got offered a set of refurbished RC041 / RC042s, damn! wish that had happened eight months ago... and have a really good second hand sports interior to replace the knackered one in the car. So, its gonna look pretty much as it should, but it's gonna drive and handle like a nutter... As Sam said, 'like BMW should have made it'... Hopefully, gonna get a refurbished set of E46 grooved brakes and M3 servo and master cylinder fitted so it can stop properly too.

Any issues with that? cool

Edited by RickBristol on Thursday 17th November 07:15

LanceRS

2,172 posts

137 months

Thursday 17th November 2016
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Just a thought. One of the best things that I have found with the e46, that always bugged me on the e36, is the steering wheel being adjustable for reach too (wheel always felt too far away). Have you looked into fitting the e46 bits or are you happy with it as is?
I also prefer the later steering wheel, the e36 one always seems slightly too big. I only mention these things as you are doing many other things that I would have loved to have done to mine.
Keep up the good work, it will be epic when it's done. I hope that it will come along to some Sunday Services so that I can get a proper look.

RickBristol

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330 posts

116 months

Thursday 17th November 2016
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LanceRS said:
Just a thought. One of the best things that I have found with the e46, that always bugged me on the e36, is the steering wheel being adjustable for reach too (wheel always felt too far away). Have you looked into fitting the e46 bits or are you happy with it as is?
I also prefer the later steering wheel, the e36 one always seems slightly too big. I only mention these things as you are doing many other things that I would have loved to have done to mine.
Keep up the good work, it will be epic when it's done. I hope that it will come along to some Sunday Services so that I can get a proper look.
Don't think Sam would be too impressed if I thought of adding other tasks to his list at the moment...

Sunday Services, of course! Once its finished, keep me updated when and where, some time in the Spring.

MitchT

15,865 posts

209 months

Thursday 17th November 2016
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LanceRS said:
Just a thought. One of the best things that I have found with the e46, that always bugged me on the e36, is the steering wheel being adjustable for reach too (wheel always felt too far away). Have you looked into fitting the e46 bits or are you happy with it as is?
I get the impression that the car is going to be a keeper, so I guess it's down the the OP's comfort with it. I have an E36 and the steering wheel never felt too far away, though I'm 5'7" so maybe it's an issue that affects taller people.

carpetsoiler

1,958 posts

165 months

Thursday 17th November 2016
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RickBristol said:
LanceRS said:
Just a thought. One of the best things that I have found with the e46, that always bugged me on the e36, is the steering wheel being adjustable for reach too (wheel always felt too far away). Have you looked into fitting the e46 bits or are you happy with it as is?
I also prefer the later steering wheel, the e36 one always seems slightly too big. I only mention these things as you are doing many other things that I would have loved to have done to mine.
Keep up the good work, it will be epic when it's done. I hope that it will come along to some Sunday Services so that I can get a proper look.
Don't think Sam would be too impressed if I thought of adding other tasks to his list at the moment...

Sunday Services, of course! Once its finished, keep me updated when and where, some time in the Spring.
You think correctly. biggrin

I personally like the position of the E36 wheel- as Mitch says, it's down to comfort. I think Rick's fine with it too- it's hardly an Italian car in its design. smile

MiggyA

193 posts

100 months

Friday 18th November 2016
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MitchT said:
LanceRS said:
Just a thought. One of the best things that I have found with the e46, that always bugged me on the e36, is the steering wheel being adjustable for reach too (wheel always felt too far away). Have you looked into fitting the e46 bits or are you happy with it as is?
I get the impression that the car is going to be a keeper, so I guess it's down the the OP's comfort with it. I have an E36 and the steering wheel never felt too far away, though I'm 5'7" so maybe it's an issue that affects taller people.
I also find the stock steering wheel feels distant and the diameter too big, though it's just about OK as long as you have the rake adjustment. Still, I replaced it with a RAID airbag wheel which while obviously different looking from the original, is a nicely made bit of kit and IMO still in keeping with the rest of the interior. Smaller diameter + 25 mm spacer = just right, for me at least.


Props to you chaps for giving this car the treatment it deserves, with all the sorting you've done 6-8k doesn't even seem that high when you consider how nice this will be when done. Planning on emulating quite a few of the improvements on my own car, particularly the purple tag rack.

alexknight

25 posts

194 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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How do you get the car info stuff below??
RickBristol said:
Car info stuff:

Data for vehicle identification number: WBABGXXXXXXXXXXXXXX - masked the VIN code, obviously!...
Model description: 328I
Market: Europa
Type: BG12
E-Code: E36 (2)
Chassis: Coupé
Steering: rechts
Doors: 2
Engine: M52 - 2,80l (142kW)
Drive: Heckantrieb
Transmission: manuell
Body Colour: Arktissilber Metallic (309)
Upholstery: Leder Casual/hellgrau (P7TH)
Production date: 22.07.1997
Assembled in: Regensburg

Code Standard Equipment
S214A Automatic stability control (ASC+T)
S246A Manually adjust. steering column
S285A BMW LA wheel BMW Styling
S410A Window lifts, electric, front
S465A Through-loading system
S510A Headlight aim control
S520A Fog lights
S542A Check Control
S853A Language version English

Code Optional Equipment
S302A Alarm system
S314A Door mirror / driver's lock, heated
P337A M Sports package
S354A Green windscreen, green shade band
S428A Warning triangle and first aid kit
S431A Interior mirror with automatic-dip
S441A Smoker package
S473A Armrest front
S481A Sports seat
S498A Headrests, rear, mechanically adjustable
S528A AUTOMATIC AIR FLOW CONTROL
S534A Automatic air conditioning
S554A On-board computer V with remote control
S687A Radio preparation
S704A M Sports suspension
S710A M leather steering wheel
S767A Performance Package
S785A White direction indicator lights
S786A Action pack for 17" wheels
L812A NATIONAL VERSION GREAT BRITAIN
S850A Additional Export tank filling
S863A Retailer Directory Europe
S877A Delete cross-pattern operation
S880A On-board vehicle literature English
S962A Deleted, licence plate support front

And finally, a pic:



I'll stop waffling now...

Edited by RickBristol on Friday 12th August 22:07

helix402

7,859 posts

182 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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RickBristol

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330 posts

116 months

Tuesday 24th January 2017
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Well people. Before you know it, the work that's been done, and the pics that record the process start piling up! So, its time for another update.

This installment is going to cover the work that has gone into starting to put many of the ancillary components back onto the engine. The goal here is to 'scrape' our way over the 'getting it fired-up' finish line... yes

First up is fitting the coolant flange to the head.



Next is the heater return pipe (long black metal pipe).



And associated hoses into the bulk head.



The knock sensors



and the loom tidy are then fitted.





The PAS reservoir was then fitted.



Then the alternator was fitted.



Next, we move onto the main engine wiring loom...

OK, I'm gonna try and 'untangle' the pics that my mate sent me. Forgive me if I get some of the following stuff wrong, or in the wrong order. I got sent these pics the other day, and didn't get much in the way of explanation as to what-was-what. He is a very busy man up in Southampton, and I'm also very busy up here in Bristol. The upshot is that I don't often have the time / opportunity to hassle for indepth explanations over the pics of the work that he does, when he has any spare time... wink

So let me know if you have any constructive input to the following...

First, a shot of where we are before the wiring loom is fitted.



The dipstick was installed first as you don't want to be trying to get this threaded through all the wiring...



Connected to the fuse box.



Various other stuff. Not gonna even pretend I;ve any idea what these pics are all about... confused





Connections to ancillary parts, such as fluid reservoirs.



The main wiring loom finally in place.



OK! THAT looked like a very fiddly ball-ache sort of job! Well done Sam!!!

Got the new E46 330 brakes and the new de-cat exhaust to come next. Shouldn't be too long before I can post a vid of it being fired-up for the first time! biggrin

carpetsoiler

1,958 posts

165 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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RickBristol said:
Well people. Before you know it, the work that's been done, and the pics that record the process start piling up! So, its time for another update.

Next, we move onto the main engine wiring loom...

OK, I'm gonna try and 'untangle' the pics that my mate sent me. Forgive me if I get some of the following stuff wrong, or in the wrong order. I got sent these pics the other day, and didn't get much in the way of explanation as to what-was-what. He is a very busy man up in Southampton, and I'm also very busy up here in Bristol. The upshot is that I don't often have the time / opportunity to hassle for indepth explanations over the pics of the work that he does, when he has any spare time... wink

So let me know if you have any constructive input to the following...

First, a shot of where we are before the wiring loom is fitted. Yep- empty bay, waiting for the loom...



The dipstick was installed first as you don't want to be trying to get this threaded through all the wiring... The seal is a real bd to get right so I didn't want to be nursing it around a load of st!



Connected to the fuse box. The two large black plugs on the side of the box are connected to the loom and then snapped onto the fuse box.



Various other stuff. Not gonna even pretend I;ve any idea what these pics are all about... confused

First pic: that's the main power from the alternator coming up from the alternator, it runs along the cable tidy and then feeds underneath to the starter motor. smile

Second pic: knock sensor main plug immediately on the left, the large ribbed conduit leads up to the injector loom which is tucked up on the rocker cover, there's also the wiring for the cam sensor (comes in from the bottom right of the pic into that strange bit of the cable tidy). You also have: oil pressure sensor (idiot light on the clocks), idle control valve, throttle position sensor, air intake temp sensor, a connector for the starter motor, reverse light switch... it all gets quite complex, but in a beautifully autistic way, I know what they all are without any labels. Terrifying!





Connections to ancillary parts, such as fluid reservoirs. That's just showing the live connections so that the loom can 'talk' to the battery- battery is in the boot, there's a HUGE power cable that runs down the driver's side of the car, and then it pops out in the bay. That big plastic terminal just needs connecting up with the 3 connection points. smile



The main wiring loom finally in place. This just shows the spaghetti junction of wiring, but it's all clipped in place with jubilees in the right places, and done as neatly as possible. Saves any issues later on.



OK! THAT looked like a very fiddly ball-ache sort of job! Well done Sam!!! Cheers. I hate this car!!!!! But she's getting there...

Got the new E46 330 brakes and the new de-cat exhaust to come next. Shouldn't be too long before I can post a vid of it being fired-up for the first time! biggrin
Provided explanations in bold Rick. Will be fitting the exhaust manifolds with new gaskets on Saturday, which means the lambdas can join in the loom fun, fitting the new crank sensor and connecting that up, then plumbing in the new M50 pipework and fitting the intake manifold. Should be almost ready to fire up once the weekend's done. smile

helix402

7,859 posts

182 months

Wednesday 25th January 2017
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Good work. Reminds me of changing block and pistons on M52s under warranty. We did so many we used to do overtime night shifts changing them!

RickBristol

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330 posts

116 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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helix402 said:
Good work. Reminds me of changing block and pistons on M52s under warranty. We did so many we used to do overtime night shifts changing them!
Then I hope you like the thread. Hopefully, looking good and fairly stock on the outside, but MY car underneath! The guy doing the rebuild is dynamite. Genuine enthusiasm, despite how he curses my car, technical ability / good knowledge and insight. How much would this have cost in a commercial garage? tumbleweed

RickBristol

Original Poster:

330 posts

116 months

Tuesday 7th February 2017
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Hi there people. Have a mini update with some more work completed over the last weekend.

First off, the new crank sensor has now been fitted and the wiring loom fitting has now been finished.

The main job that was completed was refitting the exhaust manifolds.

First up is a couple of pics of one of the manifolds and its new gasket.





Here you can see the rear manifold fitted to the head.



And after the front one has been fitted.



And a final shot of the car after the days work.



The engine build is creeping its way to completion. Hopefully the intake system can be finished this weekend, and if time permits, might even get as far as refitting the slam panel and radiator. From there it won't take much more work before it can be started for the first time. Just need to get the replacement exhaust fitted...

ChrisDT

1,863 posts

190 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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Nice reading about someone doing the same as I, mine should resemble your last picture by tomorrow evening then to start taking the engine out and fitting the new one in.

RickBristol

Original Poster:

330 posts

116 months

Wednesday 8th February 2017
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ChrisDT said:
Nice reading about someone doing the same as I, mine should resemble your last picture by tomorrow evening then to start taking the engine out and fitting the new one in.
Good luck mate! I assume that you've been through, at least the last three or four pages of my thread. Don't know yet how far/ deep that you're into the engine replacement / rebuild process, but it's not just a weekend job... Keep us posted, perhaps put up a link to your project thread, if you have one. Once again, good luck mate! cool

RickBristol

Original Poster:

330 posts

116 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Time for another project update as there has now been some movement on getting the intake system being rebuilt.

Firstly, here is a pic of the M50 manifold conversion kit that is being installed on the car.



This pic shows the crankcase ventilation valve (CCV) - connected to the blue vacuum hose - that was thoroughly cleaned before being reinstalled, as it was found to be pretty gunked up. This is yet another of those parts that can cause all manner of problems if its not in a serviceable condition. Was one of the numerous 'minor' problems that helped to cause the old engine to run as rough as it did... The crappy plastic pipe that connects the valve cover to the CCV - pipe to the left of the picture - was checked for splits as this is another common problem with this setup. Would probably have been a good idea to have replaced it, in hindsight...



Here it can be seen that the dipstick has been secured with the M50 manifold conversion kit retaining bracket. This is a very important part as the engine runs under pressure and without this clip, it's possible for the dipstick to become loose, which could end up very messily... The rubber return pipe that connects from the CCV to the base of the dipstick tube can also be seen in this pic.



The original charcoal filter was replaced, which means that the evap filter will now be working properly again. Was another of the numerous 'minor' problems that helped to cause the old engine to run as rough as it did...



The large bore throttle body has now been installed on the M50 inlet manifold.



Here is a pic of the blue 24 lb/hr fuel injectors that will eventually live in the rebuilt engine.



It is planned to start on the pink injectors to get the car running, which will prevent the car from overfueling, and once the car has been tuned properly, the blue injectors can be installed once we hit 240 bhp +, which it will, but will need testing first.

Next is a pic of the engine with the above mentioned work completed.



Here are a couple of pics of the car with its front end now back in place.



Believe me, this is something that I've wanted to see for some time now... smile



A little sneak preview of one of the next phases of the project - the lovely M3 brake system master cylinder that going into the car - to power the new E46 330i sport brake calipers and discs that will be fitted, once the car is running. Gonna need to stop all the extra horses somehow... cool



BTW, it's nice to be able to do another update, and hopefully keep some interest in my thread going amongst you lot out there in Piston Heads land... thumbup

Edited by RickBristol on Monday 17th April 15:56

Ant_ITR

29 posts

99 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Not sure if its of any interest to you but i have an entire rear axle from my old 328is for sale with the lsd installed if you are interested for yours?

RickBristol

Original Poster:

330 posts

116 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Ant_ITR said:
Not sure if its of any interest to you but i have an entire rear axle from my old 328is for sale with the lsd installed if you are interested for yours?
Thanks for the offer, but I have already installed an LSD on the car already - look near the bottom of page 8 of this thread. The guy doing the rebuild of my car may well be interested though...

carpetsoiler

1,958 posts

165 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Ant_ITR said:
Not sure if its of any interest to you but i have an entire rear axle from my old 328is for sale with the lsd installed if you are interested for yours?
Doesn't let me email you, but please email me- could be interested. smile