Student Shedding: My W140 S-Class.

Student Shedding: My W140 S-Class.

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pSynrg

238 posts

183 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Hmmm, yeah, typical student story.

Only having a 2 port garage in which to store ones fleet is such hardship indeed.

My heart can bleed no more...

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Oh, give over. I'd love to have the space he does and he's young enough to be my son. I'm not bitter about it. Kids from affluent backgrounds have to drive too and face the same problems about finding something insurable that the rest of 'em do.

Stegel

1,955 posts

175 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Oh, give over. I'd love to have the space he does and he's young enough to be my son. I'm not bitter about it. Kids from affluent backgrounds have to drive too and face the same problems about finding something insurable that the rest of 'em do.
+1 Well said.

Slow

6,973 posts

138 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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pSynrg said:
Hmmm, yeah, typical student story.

Only having a 2 port garage in which to store ones fleet is such hardship indeed.

My heart can bleed no more...
Wonder how you feel about my student fleet of 02 Range Rover, 83 cherry turbo, 84 323i.....

Oh and a double garage, and car port. Joys of living at home as a student.

Some people have Lamborghinis and st.... Give him a break.

andybu

293 posts

209 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Leave him alone - he's an excellent example of someone brave enough to pursue "out of the box" thinking..

And his tactic is quite sound. I am currently contemplating selling my 2011 C-Class diesel estate and buying something bigger, older and petrol powered. A W126 would be lovely - if I can fit one one into my standard-sized garage.

If I do go this route it'll be on the grounds that retirement implies less annual mileage and shorter trips. Diesels like to be used on long runs or their DPF filters get coked up....

It sounds as if the OP has bought well, which is key. On that note, my copy of Autocar has just arrived and I see that this weeks' edition has a "25 years of Bangernomics" feature by James Ruppert. Essential research reading, I feel..

ajmcampbell

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514 posts

137 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Typical student hatches are more expensive for students to insure than old-man barges students almost never go for. Looked into this many a time with my sons. My old P6 3500S was going to cost a quarter to insure of what a 1.2 Punto was going to cost even with nearly triple the engine displacement.
A V8 P6! Now there's an idea for what's next! Might have had an SD1 3500 if there were any left!

pSynrg said:
Hmmm, yeah, typical student story.
Only having a 2 port garage in which to store ones fleet is such hardship indeed.
My heart can bleed no more...
Ouch! Bitter indeed... garage is ordinarily reserved for Mum and Dad's cars... photo was a one off. The Merc lives out on the street at uni... besides this point when did I ever ask for sympathy?! Equally, that W140 is a result of a summer's worth of full-time slog to buy and run, so don't point the rich kid cannon at me please!

RoverP6B said:
Oh, give over. I'd love to have the space he does and he's young enough to be my son. I'm not bitter about it. Kids from affluent backgrounds have to drive too and face the same problems about finding something insurable that the rest of 'em do.
Thankyou! Very lucky to have enough space... my poor ma and pa not always enjoying the parking Jenga à la "Butterflies", however!!

Slow said:
Wonder how you feel about my student fleet of 02 Range Rover, 83 cherry turbo, 84 323i.....
Oh and a double garage, and car port. Joys of living at home as a student.
Some people have Lamborghinis and st.... Give him a break.
Exactly... astonished that a cheap Merc can invoke such ire! Keep up the good work!

andybu said:
Leave him alone - he's an excellent example of someone brave enough to pursue "out of the box" thinking..

And his tactic is quite sound. I am currently contemplating selling my 2011 C-Class diesel estate and buying something bigger, older and petrol powered. A W126 would be lovely - if I can fit one one into my standard-sized garage.

If I do go this route it'll be on the grounds that retirement implies less annual mileage and shorter trips. Diesels like to be used on long runs or their DPF filters get coked up....

It sounds as if the OP has bought well, which is key. On that note, my copy of Autocar has just arrived and I see that this weeks' edition has a "25 years of Bangernomics" feature by James Ruppert. Essential research reading, I feel..
Bangernomics was a real help! Always enjoyed his articles... would highly recommend the petrol barge as a concept, especially on W126s/W140s, as the engineering is fundamentally simple enough to mend at home, despite the S-Class's complicated reputation!

Mr Tidy

22,408 posts

128 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2015
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Nicely put OP. thumbup

Looking forward to updates on your exploits!

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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ajmcampbell said:
RoverP6B said:
Typical student hatches are more expensive for students to insure than old-man barges students almost never go for. Looked into this many a time with my sons. My old P6 3500S was going to cost a quarter to insure of what a 1.2 Punto was going to cost even with nearly triple the engine displacement.
A V8 P6! Now there's an idea for what's next! Might have had an SD1 3500 if there were any left!
Sadly, my P6 was, by then, far too rotten ever to see the road again. Despite their being one of the finest small luxury sports saloons ever produced, in my opinion, they're worth sod all and good ones are all too rare now. SD1 values are rather higher and there are still decent examples to be found - and, thanks to Standard in India and latterly Rimmer Bros in Lincoln, parts supply isn't a problem. You should see this: http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/ar-cars/our-cars/p...

P5Bs are more common than either, if you can live with the staid image. Classic Jag XJ6s are widely available and pretty good. The wonderful Mk10/420G remains sadly unloved...

ajmcampbell

Original Poster:

514 posts

137 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Mr Tidy said:
Nicely put OP. thumbup

Looking forward to updates on your exploits!
Thanks, will keep you all posted!

RoverP6B said:
Sadly, my P6 was, by then, far too rotten ever to see the road again. Despite their being one of the finest small luxury sports saloons ever produced, in my opinion, they're worth sod all and good ones are all too rare now. SD1 values are rather higher and there are still decent examples to be found - and, thanks to Standard in India and latterly Rimmer Bros in Lincoln, parts supply isn't a problem. You should see this: http://www.aronline.co.uk/blogs/ar-cars/our-cars/p...

P5Bs are more common than either, if you can live with the staid image. Classic Jag XJ6s are widely available and pretty good. The wonderful Mk10/420G remains sadly unloved...
Ah that's a pity! Interesting that SD1s more expensive, would have expected it to be the other way around! P5Bs are lovely old things, a bit £££ atm though, no? Always liked a MK10... one of few cars to rival the W140 for bulk!!

In other news, new boots going on today...

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Thursday 3rd December 2015
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Aye, P5s are getting a bit pricey now. About time too. Ditto Triumph Stags - good ones are now 20k plus. The P6 - I just don't get it! Utterly brilliant car, pioneering, decades ahead of its time... and utterly unloved except by a tiny cult following.

rossi1001

111 posts

122 months

Sunday 6th December 2015
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Top shedding and I like your attitude - making sure you fix everything, I'm exactly the same, I have a bit of OCD with it to be honest, I hate anything and I mean anything not working as it should!

Mr Tidy

22,408 posts

128 months

Monday 7th December 2015
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As a slight aside I had a 1973 P6B back in 1979 and at only 6 years old mine was pretty rotten too, but as a 20 year old anything with a V8 was special!

Wouldn't recommend one now though, apart from the rot it handled like a ship in a storm (even though ultimate grip was good) but the rot...

BTW did I mention the rust?

Have had German only for the last 10 years - maybe in a few years time when I retire properly a W140 is starting to look like a good option!

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Monday 7th December 2015
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My P6 handled very well and yes, amazing grip for 185-section old-tech tyres. Didn't start rusting noticeably until it was nearly 20 years old. It was the subsequent 16 years in a damp lockup while I procrastinated over restoring it and got distracted by kids, work, redundancy etc which killed it structurally.

ajmcampbell

Original Poster:

514 posts

137 months

Wednesday 9th December 2015
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RoverP6B said:
Aye, P5s are getting a bit pricey now. About time too. Ditto Triumph Stags - good ones are now 20k plus. The P6 - I just don't get it! Utterly brilliant car, pioneering, decades ahead of its time... and utterly unloved except by a tiny cult following.
One of those things sadly, reckon the BL influence has taken it's toll, at least in terms of perception!

rossi1001 said:
Top shedding and I like your attitude - making sure you fix everything, I'm exactly the same, I have a bit of OCD with it to be honest, I hate anything and I mean anything not working as it should!
Yep, have probably spent the purchase price again on bits and pieces already! Worth it though, never has anything truer been said than "it's not a £1000 car, it's a £50,000+ car for £1000"... accordingly maintenance takes time and money!

Mr Tidy said:
As a slight aside I had a 1973 P6B back in 1979 and at only 6 years old mine was pretty rotten too, but as a 20 year old anything with a V8 was special!
Wouldn't recommend one now though, apart from the rot it handled like a ship in a storm (even though ultimate grip was good) but the rot...
BTW did I mention the rust?
Have had German only for the last 10 years - maybe in a few years time when I retire properly a W140 is starting to look like a good option!
Yeah, would almost forgive anything for a Rover V8, they sound the business!
W140 highly recommended, although not the most fun to hustle, so worth bearing that in mind!
For a retirement keeper, reckon a post 96 S500L is the best bet...

RoverP6B said:
My P6 handled very well and yes, amazing grip for 185-section old-tech tyres. Didn't start rusting noticeably until it was nearly 20 years old. It was the subsequent 16 years in a damp lockup while I procrastinated over restoring it and got distracted by kids, work, redundancy etc which killed it structurally.
Ah that's a shame, it's amazing how the tinworm can creep up on you (speak from bitter experience after daily driving the Mini for a few years)!

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Wednesday 9th December 2015
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ajmcampbell said:
RoverP6B said:
Aye, P5s are getting a bit pricey now. About time too. Ditto Triumph Stags - good ones are now 20k plus. The P6 - I just don't get it! Utterly brilliant car, pioneering, decades ahead of its time... and utterly unloved except by a tiny cult following.
One of those things sadly, reckon the BL influence has taken it's toll, at least in terms of perception!
So you might have thought, but 20k+ Stags carry far more British Leyland logos than P6s do! Besides, BL only came into existence in 1968 - the pre-BL Leyland Motor Company acquired Standard-Triumph in 1961 and Rover in 1966. The P6 2000 was introduced in 1963, and is still worth peanuts. P5 3 1/2 litres started in 1967.

RoverP6B said:
My P6 handled very well and yes, amazing grip for 185-section old-tech tyres. Didn't start rusting noticeably until it was nearly 20 years old. It was the subsequent 16 years in a damp lockup while I procrastinated over restoring it and got distracted by kids, work, redundancy etc which killed it structurally.
Ah that's a shame, it's amazing how the tinworm can creep up on you (speak from bitter experience after daily driving the Mini for a few years)!
Tell me about it. I'm now watching my E39 520iT very carefully as there's a bit of rust on that and it's been sitting unused for weeks. I want to restore it properly but I can't do it just now, and I'd like to have somewhere to keep it dry and off-road once restored.

ajmcampbell

Original Poster:

514 posts

137 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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RoverP6B said:
ajmcampbell said:
RoverP6B said:
Aye, P5s are getting a bit pricey now. About time too. Ditto Triumph Stags - good ones are now 20k plus. The P6 - I just don't get it! Utterly brilliant car, pioneering, decades ahead of its time... and utterly unloved except by a tiny cult following.
One of those things sadly, reckon the BL influence has taken it's toll, at least in terms of perception!
So you might have thought, but 20k+ Stags carry far more British Leyland logos than P6s do! Besides, BL only came into existence in 1968 - the pre-BL Leyland Motor Company acquired Standard-Triumph in 1961 and Rover in 1966. The P6 2000 was introduced in 1963, and is still worth peanuts. P5 3 1/2 litres started in 1967.

RoverP6B said:
My P6 handled very well and yes, amazing grip for 185-section old-tech tyres. Didn't start rusting noticeably until it was nearly 20 years old. It was the subsequent 16 years in a damp lockup while I procrastinated over restoring it and got distracted by kids, work, redundancy etc which killed it structurally.
Ah that's a shame, it's amazing how the tinworm can creep up on you (speak from bitter experience after daily driving the Mini for a few years)!
Tell me about it. I'm now watching my E39 520iT very carefully as there's a bit of rust on that and it's been sitting unused for weeks. I want to restore it properly but I can't do it just now, and I'd like to have somewhere to keep it dry and off-road once restored.
Very true RE: the stags, reckon popularity symptomatic of a general lack of pretty V8 four seater convertibles, seriously apart from Muscle cars what is there? A Rolls Corniche? Different price bracket altogether!

Yeah keep an eye on that, protection is always easier than the cure!

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

129 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Stag's obvious rivals - R107 SL, Peugeot 504 convertible...

ajmcampbell

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514 posts

137 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Ah but can't truly get 4 people in an R107 (believe me have tried!) 504 a better shout but oh-so rare these days in the UK and no V8! See the dilemma? Speaking to people looking for a 'starter' classic, a Stag ticks a lot of boxes for many people who don't know what they're after!

Slow

6,973 posts

138 months

Thursday 10th December 2015
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Big old American cars? Like a Cadillac

andybu

293 posts

209 months

Friday 11th December 2015
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The problem is storage on the big stuff. I'm still thinking about that W126 but they are big cars and no, it won't fit in my standard-sized suburban garage. Not to mention that I usually keep the more valuable other car in there anyway.

I'm just doubtful about the practicalities of running a 25+ year old modern classic if it has to stand out in all weathers. It'll just make any tin-worm problems yet more difficult/expensive to deal with.