Capri GTT... V10, 550bhp
Discussion
Well progress is slow on the Capri as I have been a bit mad at work and having to finish the building work off in the house as I had to remove all the floors and put in new joists etc and apparently having a bedroom takes priority over garage time.
What I have been doing is working out what Im going to do with the suspension, specifically hubs.... I have designed the suspension around the same wheels I use on the noble as they are ford fitment, the correct size for my look AND means I only need 1 set of track tyres for the 2 cars... lots of transference
The next step is is hubs.... usually people are fixed with what they have, but I'm not as my suspension is clean sheet design, therefore I put the wishbone pickups exactly were I wanted them.... Great you say, but makes finding an upright a nightmare, I didn't really want to go for billet clean sheet design as I figures stuff must exist rather than spend a fortune on a new design and after 9mths I have found them and have finalised the plan and done mock up.
Im going to use a much more expensive cast unit on the front, and a cheaper billet (so stronger) on the rear.... Billet is loverly, but it expands on the style of bearing I'm going to run and thus isn't suited to long sessions on track as the bearings become loose. Less of an issue on the rear as less brake heat will be present so Im going for strength at the rear.... plus I wanted to buy a pair of each type to compare.
This is the rear, I already have the brand new 4 pot As for the rear and a mock up handbrake calliper... I will start with a 100mm joint as per what I run on the noble without issue and 200fltb more than the capri will have. Unlike the noble I will have room to go to a 108mm if needed. I will actually be using a billet version of this cast upright on the rear, but dimensions are all identical so it was a valid initial mock up to prove it all works lol
Both pics are next to the 'noble' uprights which I had spares. Ive had failures of the noble uprights so wanted to ensure the ones I designed for the capri were better and they use the same hubs so its actually a good comparison.
The front I used the same 4 pot callipers, going to actually run 6pots however.
Ive also decided on the bushes and joints I'm going to use... I had bought rose joints etc for every joint, but I have decided against that now and running proper bushes lol
What I have been doing is working out what Im going to do with the suspension, specifically hubs.... I have designed the suspension around the same wheels I use on the noble as they are ford fitment, the correct size for my look AND means I only need 1 set of track tyres for the 2 cars... lots of transference
The next step is is hubs.... usually people are fixed with what they have, but I'm not as my suspension is clean sheet design, therefore I put the wishbone pickups exactly were I wanted them.... Great you say, but makes finding an upright a nightmare, I didn't really want to go for billet clean sheet design as I figures stuff must exist rather than spend a fortune on a new design and after 9mths I have found them and have finalised the plan and done mock up.
Im going to use a much more expensive cast unit on the front, and a cheaper billet (so stronger) on the rear.... Billet is loverly, but it expands on the style of bearing I'm going to run and thus isn't suited to long sessions on track as the bearings become loose. Less of an issue on the rear as less brake heat will be present so Im going for strength at the rear.... plus I wanted to buy a pair of each type to compare.
This is the rear, I already have the brand new 4 pot As for the rear and a mock up handbrake calliper... I will start with a 100mm joint as per what I run on the noble without issue and 200fltb more than the capri will have. Unlike the noble I will have room to go to a 108mm if needed. I will actually be using a billet version of this cast upright on the rear, but dimensions are all identical so it was a valid initial mock up to prove it all works lol
Both pics are next to the 'noble' uprights which I had spares. Ive had failures of the noble uprights so wanted to ensure the ones I designed for the capri were better and they use the same hubs so its actually a good comparison.
The front I used the same 4 pot callipers, going to actually run 6pots however.
Ive also decided on the bushes and joints I'm going to use... I had bought rose joints etc for every joint, but I have decided against that now and running proper bushes lol
Edited by andygtt on Tuesday 27th March 13:36
Zombie said:
andygtt said:
vanos solenoids, these are a wear item and there are 4 of them unique to the E60 M5 V10.... On 1st July this year BMW put the price of these up from £82 plus vat each to £870 plus vat each.
They did what?!!! That's insane!Edited by Zombie on Sunday 14th August 18:20
Poor show.
Decided I needed to start making progress on the capri, so the noble go kicked out of the garage briefly and the engine was removed from the capri... I'm always amazed by the sheer size of the V10, I have a noble engine also in the garage and its tiny in comparison (yet makes loads more power and torque lol).
Another decision I have taken is to make the car mid engined (engine still in front of driver), this was driven by the fact the steering rack position was going to be tough to package under the engine while retaining my geometry design so it needs to go in front of the engine... this has knock on effects of making the pedal and driving position a challenge and also how to bring the steering around the very wide engine.
Its still in its infancy but here is progress thus far.
Wife bought me a little Milling machine for Xmas so I can make the uprights and odd bits... should have got one years back it a fantastically useful tool for the garage
Another decision I have taken is to make the car mid engined (engine still in front of driver), this was driven by the fact the steering rack position was going to be tough to package under the engine while retaining my geometry design so it needs to go in front of the engine... this has knock on effects of making the pedal and driving position a challenge and also how to bring the steering around the very wide engine.
Its still in its infancy but here is progress thus far.
Wife bought me a little Milling machine for Xmas so I can make the uprights and odd bits... should have got one years back it a fantastically useful tool for the garage
Edited by andygtt on Tuesday 27th March 13:39
dom9 said:
Great update, Andy!
Will be interested to hear how you get on with the milling machine!
I'd love one... I'm just not sure it would get the use?
Loving the Mill, personally will do more on the mill than i would on the lathe as i want to machine uprights etc... its already 20% through paying for itself with parts i've made as machine shops are expensive for the type of 1 off stuff I want doing and none are closer than 30mins away so as long as a job takes less than 2 hrs I have saved time as well Will be interested to hear how you get on with the milling machine!
I'd love one... I'm just not sure it would get the use?
andygtt said:
Decided I needed to start making progress on the capri, so the noble go kicked out of the garage briefly and the engine was removed from the capri... I'm always amazed by the sheer size of the V10, I have a noble engine also in the garage and its tiny in comparison (yet makes loads more power and torque lol).
Another decision I have taken is to make the car mid engined (engine still in front of driver), this was driven by the fact the steering rack position was going to be tough to package under the engine while retaining my geometry design so it needs to go in front of the engine... this has knock on effects of making the pedal and driving position a challenge and also how to bring the steering around the very wide engine.
Its still in its infancy but here is progress thus far.
I had the same problem with the LS1 V8 in my Escort - spent ages trying to position the seat and controls in the end I have had to sit well back with the pedals from above. Wanted floor mounted pedal box but the exhaust and manifold eat into the floor space.
Wife bought me a little Milling machine for Xmas so I can make the uprights and odd bits... should have got one years back it a fantastically useful tool for the garage
Another decision I have taken is to make the car mid engined (engine still in front of driver), this was driven by the fact the steering rack position was going to be tough to package under the engine while retaining my geometry design so it needs to go in front of the engine... this has knock on effects of making the pedal and driving position a challenge and also how to bring the steering around the very wide engine.
Its still in its infancy but here is progress thus far.
I had the same problem with the LS1 V8 in my Escort - spent ages trying to position the seat and controls in the end I have had to sit well back with the pedals from above. Wanted floor mounted pedal box but the exhaust and manifold eat into the floor space.
Wife bought me a little Milling machine for Xmas so I can make the uprights and odd bits... should have got one years back it a fantastically useful tool for the garage
sheepdip said:
I had the same problem with the LS1 V8 in my Escort - spent ages trying to position the seat and controls in the end I have had to sit well back with the pedals from above. Wanted floor mounted pedal box but the exhaust and manifold eat into the floor space.
be interested to see any pics you have of the driving position... I'm trying to stay with a hung pedal arrangementHi Andy
Search Escort MK2 LS1 in Orange on here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=136...
Search Escort MK2 LS1 in Orange on here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=136...
Just read from start to finish, quite a phenomenonal undertaking, rather envious of your skills.. and audacity for that matter. Glad your sticking with the v10.
I've never seen this done with an engine as modern and complicated as this. Shame to read about the solenoid issue but the but the chance to create a unicorn would be more satisfying than a tried and tested arrangement however I can only begin to comprehend how gruelling a task this is.
I've never seen this done with an engine as modern and complicated as this. Shame to read about the solenoid issue but the but the chance to create a unicorn would be more satisfying than a tried and tested arrangement however I can only begin to comprehend how gruelling a task this is.
sheepdip said:
Hi Andy
Search Escort MK2 LS1 in Orange on here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=136...
its always hard looking at pics to see how they compare to your own example.... must say i did follow your thread and its an awesome car you have built Search Escort MK2 LS1 in Orange on here. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=136...
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