JZW Stage 5 Saab 9-3 v6 Aero
Discussion
griffin dai said:
TotalControl said:
Really liking the progress so far.
Strangely, my man maths is telling me that my current Vector 1.8t (non remapped) isn't up for the task of a 25 mile (50 miles total) commute to a potential new place of work.
What's the 2.8 like at motorway cruising/ mpg after a stage 1?
Around 26/27 mpg. Great on the motorway, the v6 definitely need a remap though to get it going, pretty tame standard. Take a look at JZW or Vtuner but you might need to upgrade the clutch here as they get a load of torque early on, maptun seems to be more linear and fine on a standard clutch. Strangely, my man maths is telling me that my current Vector 1.8t (non remapped) isn't up for the task of a 25 mile (50 miles total) commute to a potential new place of work.
What's the 2.8 like at motorway cruising/ mpg after a stage 1?
Also budget for new plugs and new coils, the old '104' coils tend to die once your mapped, the newer '112' coils are better
Hackney said:
Well (from the previous owner) I've got Maptun and JZW maps. After trying both I've stuck with the JZW which IIRC is around 320bhp
As you've tried both in the same car how do you find the JZW tune vs Maptun? From what I've read Maptun stage 1 is a more linear power delivery but still nice & quick, where my JZW stage 1 was pretty much full on from around 2k but started to die off around 4.5k and would be gone by 5k. One of the main reasons I went for the Inignia VXR turbo (18t) as its still pulling hard at redline but hardly any extra lag. Should really have gone for the 20T with the problems I've had but it won't be much quicker really where I need it sub 100 (miles quicker above a ton though from what I've seen!!) 20T 60-90 is 3.1s mines 3.3/3.4s so I don't think it's worth changing again, might have a different map on there though if this throttle cut issues still here after I fit a new fuel pump & sensor. I'm swapping the last couple coils over next week and fit the new plugs first see if that makes any difference....before dumping another 500 quid into it!
Ive been looking at Rabbid remaps who's got a decent rep with the VXR guys and custom tunes the cars on the dyno so that's definitely on the cards if there's no joy here. Shame as I've spent around a grand on the mapping incl the VCM scanner
JZW is more fun.
I picked up the car with the JZW map on it so got used to that. Then had a few scare stories (from a Maptun specialist, imagine that) so went for the Maptun map for a while. It's a year ago but what I remember was the feeling that it wasn't as quick.
I know that's a bit vague, but in general it felt like the car had been turned from 11 back down to 8 or 9.
I never drove the car with the standard map so can't comment on that, maybe Maptun feels better than standard.
In terms of delivery the JZW is very much - wait for it, wait for it, [3000 revs] WHOOSH!!!
Up to about 5,000 revs. At the moment I'm doing mostly motorway driving so it's great for when traffic clears and you want to get up to speed quickly.
3rd gear on a motorway sliproad is just hilarious.
I never felt that in the couple of weeks (if that) with the Maptun.
I'd be tempted to go for more as I'm about to change jobs and will be doing a lot less miles but one stipulation of the new job is if you "opt out" your car must be less than 4yrs old.
And even though the car is in amazing condition, the 08 plate gives it away.
I picked up the car with the JZW map on it so got used to that. Then had a few scare stories (from a Maptun specialist, imagine that) so went for the Maptun map for a while. It's a year ago but what I remember was the feeling that it wasn't as quick.
I know that's a bit vague, but in general it felt like the car had been turned from 11 back down to 8 or 9.
I never drove the car with the standard map so can't comment on that, maybe Maptun feels better than standard.
In terms of delivery the JZW is very much - wait for it, wait for it, [3000 revs] WHOOSH!!!
Up to about 5,000 revs. At the moment I'm doing mostly motorway driving so it's great for when traffic clears and you want to get up to speed quickly.
3rd gear on a motorway sliproad is just hilarious.
I never felt that in the couple of weeks (if that) with the Maptun.
I'd be tempted to go for more as I'm about to change jobs and will be doing a lot less miles but one stipulation of the new job is if you "opt out" your car must be less than 4yrs old.
And even though the car is in amazing condition, the 08 plate gives it away.
Jimmy Recard said:
I had that Denon amp. A serious quality product and even quite nice looking. I'm considering doing a bit of audio in my Astra - I'd happily have one of those in it.
Great thread anyway. Thumbs up from me.
Yeah few marks on it but looks more or less new Great thread anyway. Thumbs up from me.
I just my other 800 last week, I'm keeping this though!!Hackney said:
JZW is more fun.
I picked up the car with the JZW map on it so got used to that. Then had a few scare stories (from a Maptun specialist, imagine that) so went for the Maptun map for a while. It's a year ago but what I remember was the feeling that it wasn't as quick.
I know that's a bit vague, but in general it felt like the car had been turned from 11 back down to 8 or 9.
I never drove the car with the standard map so can't comment on that, maybe Maptun feels better than standard.
In terms of delivery the JZW is very much - wait for it, wait for it, [3000 revs] WHOOSH!!!
Up to about 5,000 revs. At the moment I'm doing mostly motorway driving so it's great for when traffic clears and you want to get up to speed quickly.
3rd gear on a motorway sliproad is just hilarious.
I never felt that in the couple of weeks (if that) with the Maptun.
I'd be tempted to go for more as I'm about to change jobs and will be doing a lot less miles but one stipulation of the new job is if you "opt out" your car must be less than 4yrs old.
And even though the car is in amazing condition, the 08 plate gives it away.
They're pretty slow standard (well not slow, it's no slouch but nothing special) a lot come with the Hirsch tune which I believe was a dealer option between Saab & Hirsch, that's meant to liven things up a bit but still not as quick as Maptun.I picked up the car with the JZW map on it so got used to that. Then had a few scare stories (from a Maptun specialist, imagine that) so went for the Maptun map for a while. It's a year ago but what I remember was the feeling that it wasn't as quick.
I know that's a bit vague, but in general it felt like the car had been turned from 11 back down to 8 or 9.
I never drove the car with the standard map so can't comment on that, maybe Maptun feels better than standard.
In terms of delivery the JZW is very much - wait for it, wait for it, [3000 revs] WHOOSH!!!
Up to about 5,000 revs. At the moment I'm doing mostly motorway driving so it's great for when traffic clears and you want to get up to speed quickly.
3rd gear on a motorway sliproad is just hilarious.
I never felt that in the couple of weeks (if that) with the Maptun.
I'd be tempted to go for more as I'm about to change jobs and will be doing a lot less miles but one stipulation of the new job is if you "opt out" your car must be less than 4yrs old.
And even though the car is in amazing condition, the 08 plate gives it away.
Shame about the company car
griffin dai said:
They're pretty slow standard (well not slow, it's no slouch but nothing special) a lot come with the Hirsch tune which I believe was a dealer option between Saab & Hirsch, that's meant to liven things up a bit but still not as quick as Maptun.
Shame about the company car
Yeah, it's a damn shame. Still, I got a new Golf R Estate on Friday so can't complain.Shame about the company car
The 9-3 is now up for sale on some reputable websites
Hackney said:
Yeah, it's a damn shame. Still, I got a new Golf R Estate on Friday so can't complain.
The 9-3 is now up for sale on some reputable websites
Well done mate, really nice cars The 9-3 is now up for sale on some reputable websites
Post some pics when you get it, there's a white one in the next street, looks the part & dying to have a play with it 
(probably kick my arse at the moment though) noticed a big drop in performance here so need to sort this fuel pump out but money keeps going elsewhere 
What's the score with remapping this if it's a works car? Will they be able to tell?
griffin dai said:
Well done mate, really nice cars Post some pics when you get it, there's a white one in the next street, looks the part & dying to have a play with it (probably kick my arse at the moment though) noticed a big drop in performance here so need to sort this fuel pump out but money keeps going elsewhere
What's the score with remapping this if it's a works car? Will they be able to tell?
It's not a full works car. I opted out and get a car allowance instead, so the car's mine. Post some pics when you get it, there's a white one in the next street, looks the part & dying to have a play with it (probably kick my arse at the moment though) noticed a big drop in performance here so need to sort this fuel pump out but money keeps going elsewhere What's the score with remapping this if it's a works car? Will they be able to tell?
However it did need to fulfill a few criteria (4 doors, secure boot, no convertibles etc).
So in theory I could remap it, although the performance is more than adequate as standard so it seems a bit of a waste of money to remap it spending £600 to remap it and have to keep going back to standard when ever I have it serviced. Unlike Mountune the Revo remap isn't warrantied.
Plus, when you look on the Revo website and see this
Setting #1 on your SPS sets your vehicle to stock* (note the asterisk)
- NOTE: Stock mode is not completely stock, it will run similar performance levels to a stock vehicle. Your Revo dealer has a complete factory stock file, if any main dealer warranty or servicing work is required, we recommend returning your vehicle to complete stock.
First bath of the year that snow foam stuff is nuts!!!
Ten quid well spent, nice clean bum
Cars booked in for an oil change and new coils/plugs next week, gone for Shell Helix this time, front coils are still the old 104's so new 112's going in and some fresh LFR7AiX plugs (not touching the rear bank! Looks a right faff!!)
Need to have a think about the fuel pump now, tempted to go for the AEM 50-1000 here instead of another standard pump. Then load the full stage 5 map back on plus 3bar map sensor. Hopefully fresh plugs/coils/pump will sort the throttle cut issues. Missing the oomph of the proper map
that snow foam stuff is nuts!!!Ten quid well spent, nice clean bum
Cars booked in for an oil change and new coils/plugs next week, gone for Shell Helix this time, front coils are still the old 104's so new 112's going in and some fresh LFR7AiX plugs (not touching the rear bank! Looks a right faff!!)
Need to have a think about the fuel pump now, tempted to go for the AEM 50-1000 here instead of another standard pump. Then load the full stage 5 map back on plus 3bar map sensor. Hopefully fresh plugs/coils/pump will sort the throttle cut issues. Missing the oomph of the proper map
Thanks mate, bodyworks a bit tatty now though, needs a respray!
I've lost all my stage 1 clips but here's the stage 5 tune
https://youtu.be/5K_XumdrkYQ
I've lost all my stage 1 clips but here's the stage 5 tune
https://youtu.be/5K_XumdrkYQ
Car's booked back in for the coils/plugs/oil change next week. New baby's put everything on hold a couple months but needs sorting now. Under pressure to sell up aswel from the missis and get something slower/practical!! No happening!
Then log some more runs and see if it's any better. Coils are a weak spot on these, some have success with the cheaper ones off eBay but I'm fitting genuine Bosch 112's all round. Plugs are coming up to 6k so best to change then all over. Hoping fresh plugs/coils will sort the throttle cut issues. Still there and it's defo new fuel pump time! Good chance it's a weak fuel pump though....
Having a bit of a mare with the the upgrade fuel pump, apparently the US v6 pump uses a different basket to the UK cars, still trying to get a solid answer on a yes/no if it'll fit, I think the US Aero shares the same basket as the TurboX so not sure if the AEM 50-1000 will even fit. Might have to go for another standard pump £££ and sensor but they're no longer available from SAAB so it'll have to be a refurbished one I've been told the stock pump is rated to 500bhp though so plenty of head room here with this turbo!
Few other bits to get done this year, do88 now sell an uprated alloy water radiator for a good price, fair by cheaper than the Courtney Sport version and it's had some decent feedback, will have to ditch this evo style Intercooler though as its 90mm thick and go for a thinner one from do88 (it's thinner but more surface area, I think it's 50mm) The VXR boys swear by the upgraded rads and it brings the coolant temp down a fair bit. I'll see how the cash flow is over summer!
One thing I'm 50/50 on is going up a couple turbo sizes, noticed the other month there's a bolt on TD04-20T with Garrett GTX style Billet wheel available now. No idea how well this performs but should spool up quicker and give more top end grunt so win win
Has anybody used KRS Turbo's before? I don't know anyone who's fitted this to their 9-3 yet so tempted to go for it, but it's a ball ache getting it mapped. Back & forward emailing logs then getting the map tweaked and could end up in the same boat as it's still not 100%
And really need to finish this audio side off!!! Should have got stuck in before the baby came!
Then log some more runs and see if it's any better. Coils are a weak spot on these, some have success with the cheaper ones off eBay but I'm fitting genuine Bosch 112's all round. Plugs are coming up to 6k so best to change then all over. Hoping fresh plugs/coils will sort the throttle cut issues. Still there and it's defo new fuel pump time! Good chance it's a weak fuel pump though....
Having a bit of a mare with the the upgrade fuel pump, apparently the US v6 pump uses a different basket to the UK cars, still trying to get a solid answer on a yes/no if it'll fit, I think the US Aero shares the same basket as the TurboX so not sure if the AEM 50-1000 will even fit. Might have to go for another standard pump £££ and sensor but they're no longer available from SAAB so it'll have to be a refurbished one
I've been told the stock pump is rated to 500bhp though so plenty of head room here with this turbo!Few other bits to get done this year, do88 now sell an uprated alloy water radiator for a good price, fair by cheaper than the Courtney Sport version and it's had some decent feedback, will have to ditch this evo style Intercooler though as its 90mm thick and go for a thinner one from do88 (it's thinner but more surface area, I think it's 50mm) The VXR boys swear by the upgraded rads and it brings the coolant temp down a fair bit. I'll see how the cash flow is over summer!
One thing I'm 50/50 on is going up a couple turbo sizes, noticed the other month there's a bolt on TD04-20T with Garrett GTX style Billet wheel available now. No idea how well this performs but should spool up quicker and give more top end grunt so win win
Has anybody used KRS Turbo's before? I don't know anyone who's fitted this to their 9-3 yet so tempted to go for it, but it's a ball ache getting it mapped. Back & forward emailing logs then getting the map tweaked and could end up in the same boat as it's still not 100%
And really need to finish this audio side off!!! Should have got stuck in before the baby came!
griffin dai said:
Thanks mate, bodyworks a bit tatty now though, needs a respray!
I've lost all my stage 1 clips but here's the stage 5 tune
https://youtu.be/5K_XumdrkYQ
Just seen that, that is just ludicrous! Would piss all over mine, it's quicker even that this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lFwNRl4mnoI've lost all my stage 1 clips but here's the stage 5 tune
https://youtu.be/5K_XumdrkYQ
HybridAero said:
Just seen that, that is just ludicrous! Would piss all over mine, it's quicker even that this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lFwNRl4mno
Goes alright with this 18t 
Not running that map at the moment though so it's not as manic but a tad quicker lower down, I'll load it back on with the 3 bar map sensor next week after the plugs & coils are changed.Need to have a good think about that 20T upgrade above. I'm sure JZW's 20T car gets 60-90 in 3 secs dead but I think he's got tubular headers on his plus the mappings bound to be perfect! Not really sure if it's worth it here but would be nice to have a little extra oomph higher up, definitely want to concentrate on the cooling side though. Couple things I could do there like go for the external oil cooler plus do88 rad & IC then a turbo blanket. Battery's in the worst possible position too with the turbo sat right next to it! Some have moved this to the boot.....missis will have my balls though if it damaged her new shiny pram!
griffin dai said:
Goes alright with this 18t Not running that map at the moment though so it's not as manic but a tad quicker lower down, I'll load it back on with the 3 bar map sensor next week after the plugs & coils are changed.
Need to have a good think about that 20T upgrade above. I'm sure JZW's 20T car gets 60-90 in 3 secs dead but I think he's got tubular headers on his plus the mappings bound to be perfect! Not really sure if it's worth it here but would be nice to have a little extra oomph higher up, definitely want to concentrate on the cooling side though. Couple things I could do there like go for the external oil cooler plus do88 rad & IC then a turbo blanket. Battery's in the worst possible position too with the turbo sat right next to it! Some have moved this to the boot.....missis will have my balls though if it damaged her new shiny pram!
If you get chance, and a big enough private road, see what your time is 100-200 km/h - Mine does 11 sec I reckon you'll be well under 10 at that rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKBcEpyvmPA - Is a 20T a direct swap for the 18T or is custom downpipe etc needed? Not running that map at the moment though so it's not as manic but a tad quicker lower down, I'll load it back on with the 3 bar map sensor next week after the plugs & coils are changed.Need to have a good think about that 20T upgrade above. I'm sure JZW's 20T car gets 60-90 in 3 secs dead but I think he's got tubular headers on his plus the mappings bound to be perfect! Not really sure if it's worth it here but would be nice to have a little extra oomph higher up, definitely want to concentrate on the cooling side though. Couple things I could do there like go for the external oil cooler plus do88 rad & IC then a turbo blanket. Battery's in the worst possible position too with the turbo sat right next to it! Some have moved this to the boot.....missis will have my balls though if it damaged her new shiny pram!
HybridAero said:
If you get chance, and a big enough private road, see what your time is 100-200 km/h - Mine does 11 sec I reckon you'll be well under 10 at that rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKBcEpyvmPA - Is a 20T a direct swap for the 18T or is custom downpipe etc needed?
Need to get a VBox as the speedo is quite generous.HybridAero said:
If you get chance, and a big enough private road, see what your time is 100-200 km/h - Mine does 11 sec I reckon you'll be well under 10 at that rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKBcEpyvmPA - Is a 20T a direct swap for the 18T or is custom downpipe etc needed?
I think it's around 10 secs but need to time it again, only really timed/logged the 60-90's so JZW could do his thing Yeah bolt on swap, they just rebuild the standard 15t from the Aero or Vectra VXR (same turbo) most have gone for the 19t but the 20T's meant to flow around 10% more than this. This 18t is standard fit on the Insignia VXR and I think the last 9-5 2.8 Aero. Should really have gone for the 20T but had this 18t for a cracking price and I'm pretty happy with it, it won't make the numbers the 19/20 gets though. Bit more sparkle up top would be nice but it's quick enough now under 80/90
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