My latest project: Triumph XR4x4i
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300bhp/ton said:
ManOpener said:
Going back to earlier comments, the Jag 3.0 V6 is a Ford engine isn't it?
It's based on it yes. Although the Jag version has a number of differences not found on the Mondeo.The setup used in the S-Type with the manual would probably be quite a nice option. I think someone put one in an MX-5 recently.
IMO, chasing more than about 250bhp will ruin this project....
(you want decent performance, without having to completely re-engineer the entire vehicle to cope! Assuming you can get something like a 205 section tyre under the arches, then 250 N/A bhp (say 300Nm tops) and a nice manual 6spd trans would make this a brilliant little car. Enough power for a 0-60 probably in the high 5's / low 6's (which is plenty) and totally driveable too.
Spend more money on the engine management, the mapping, the exhaust and the cooling to make it reliable and driveable, rather than chasing pointless ponies it can't use!
If you have a measure up of the engine bay, you'll quickly see if you can get more than 4 cyls in a line. I suspect any modern inline 6 will be too long and tall (although a 5 might squeeze in (volvo 2.5 5 pot (in non turbo format)).
A v6 is short, meaning you can position it better to miss things like the firewall and the subframe / steering rack etc. A nice stainless exhaust, done properly, is going to set you back £2k, but will make the car a joy to drive.
(you want decent performance, without having to completely re-engineer the entire vehicle to cope! Assuming you can get something like a 205 section tyre under the arches, then 250 N/A bhp (say 300Nm tops) and a nice manual 6spd trans would make this a brilliant little car. Enough power for a 0-60 probably in the high 5's / low 6's (which is plenty) and totally driveable too.
Spend more money on the engine management, the mapping, the exhaust and the cooling to make it reliable and driveable, rather than chasing pointless ponies it can't use!
If you have a measure up of the engine bay, you'll quickly see if you can get more than 4 cyls in a line. I suspect any modern inline 6 will be too long and tall (although a 5 might squeeze in (volvo 2.5 5 pot (in non turbo format)).
A v6 is short, meaning you can position it better to miss things like the firewall and the subframe / steering rack etc. A nice stainless exhaust, done properly, is going to set you back £2k, but will make the car a joy to drive.
Max_Torque said:
IMO, chasing more than about 250bhp will ruin this project....
(you want decent performance, without having to completely re-engineer the entire vehicle to cope! Assuming you can get something like a 205 section tyre under the arches, then 250 N/A bhp (say 300Nm tops) and a nice manual 6spd trans would make this a brilliant little car. Enough power for a 0-60 probably in the high 5's / low 6's (which is plenty) and totally driveable too.
Spend more money on the engine management, the mapping, the exhaust and the cooling to make it reliable and driveable, rather than chasing pointless ponies it can't use!
If you have a measure up of the engine bay, you'll quickly see if you can get more than 4 cyls in a line. I suspect any modern inline 6 will be too long and tall (although a 5 might squeeze in (volvo 2.5 5 pot (in non turbo format)).
A v6 is short, meaning you can position it better to miss things like the firewall and the subframe / steering rack etc. A nice stainless exhaust, done properly, is going to set you back £2k, but will make the car a joy to drive.
Wheels I'm looking at are 15x8, with Tokyo R888 at either 205-225, I've measured up he engine bay and most I4's will fit, I think most I6's they'll be too long. A few people have put V6s' in Dolomites, one put a BOB cosworth 2.9 V6 and I thing someone put a Middlesbrough V6 from a scimitar in one. And I think they said that they shifted really quick.(you want decent performance, without having to completely re-engineer the entire vehicle to cope! Assuming you can get something like a 205 section tyre under the arches, then 250 N/A bhp (say 300Nm tops) and a nice manual 6spd trans would make this a brilliant little car. Enough power for a 0-60 probably in the high 5's / low 6's (which is plenty) and totally driveable too.
Spend more money on the engine management, the mapping, the exhaust and the cooling to make it reliable and driveable, rather than chasing pointless ponies it can't use!
If you have a measure up of the engine bay, you'll quickly see if you can get more than 4 cyls in a line. I suspect any modern inline 6 will be too long and tall (although a 5 might squeeze in (volvo 2.5 5 pot (in non turbo format)).
A v6 is short, meaning you can position it better to miss things like the firewall and the subframe / steering rack etc. A nice stainless exhaust, done properly, is going to set you back £2k, but will make the car a joy to drive.
A Jag V6 might fit and would be a nice smooth engine. A 13b would be a nice punchy car and would be a great noise but they don't have much torque so could go for more power
davepoth said:
In the engine bay of a Dolomite I've seen
Vauxhall redtop
Cosworth YB (google that one, it's epic)
Zetec 2.0
Essex V6
Stag V8
Rover v8
C18DET
And they all fitted without too much trouble - the V8s are a struggle with the heater still installed though, as they end up tight to the bulkhead.
I'd probably keep the heater just for functionality. A V6 wouldn't poke to far out into the front of the engine bay. There would be plenty of room for radiators and coolers of various kindsVauxhall redtop
Cosworth YB (google that one, it's epic)
Zetec 2.0
Essex V6
Stag V8
Rover v8
C18DET
And they all fitted without too much trouble - the V8s are a struggle with the heater still installed though, as they end up tight to the bulkhead.
300bhp/ton said:
MaxRothery said:
I'd probably keep the heater just for functionality. A V6 wouldn't poke to far out into the front of the engine bay. There would be plenty of room for radiators and coolers of various kinds
Depends on the V6, some are pretty big.
Chevy LS V8's on the LEFT. They are mostly dressed, have fuel rails and bits on them. No alternator, but they usually sit under one of the cylinder banks, so don't make it any bigger really.
The other engine is a Nissan V6 QV35, thinks its what is in the 350z or similar.
This isn't to say all V6's are big, they simply aren't. Just an example.
However DOHC generally makes a Vee engine wider and taller as you've got 4 cams to fit in. And you need something to drive them (usually a belt, but might be a chain), so usually adds length too.
The LS engines are OHV, so a single cam in the block, this keeps the heads small and the height low. It also uses a very short simple chain from crank to cam, so adds no real length to it either.
The Rover KV6 is a nice compact modern style V6:
But it's only 2.5 litres, so limited n/a tuning unless you are building a high revving race engine.
The other engine is a Nissan V6 QV35, thinks its what is in the 350z or similar.
This isn't to say all V6's are big, they simply aren't. Just an example.
However DOHC generally makes a Vee engine wider and taller as you've got 4 cams to fit in. And you need something to drive them (usually a belt, but might be a chain), so usually adds length too.
The LS engines are OHV, so a single cam in the block, this keeps the heads small and the height low. It also uses a very short simple chain from crank to cam, so adds no real length to it either.
The Rover KV6 is a nice compact modern style V6:
But it's only 2.5 litres, so limited n/a tuning unless you are building a high revving race engine.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Thursday 8th October 16:24
300bhp/ton said:
Chevy LS V8's on the right. They are mostly dressed, have fuel rails and bits on them. No alternator, but they usually sit under one of the cylinder banks, so don't make it any bigger really.
The other engine is a Nissan V6 QV35, thinks its what is in the 350z or similar.
This isn't to say all V6's are big, they simply aren't. Just an example.
However DOHC generally makes a Vee engine wider and taller as you've got 4 cams to fit in. And you need something to drive them (usually a belt, but might be a chain), so usually adds length too.
The LS engines are OHV, so a single cam in the block, this keeps the heads small and the height low. It also uses a very short simple chain from crank to cam, so adds no real length to it either.
The Rover KV6 is a nice compact modern style V6:
But it's only 2.5 litres, so limited n/a tuning unless you are building a high revving race engine.
Fair enough. I thing someone fitted a cologne cosworth V6 into a dolly so in theory, a jag V6 should fit as they are fairly similar? I think The other engine is a Nissan V6 QV35, thinks its what is in the 350z or similar.
This isn't to say all V6's are big, they simply aren't. Just an example.
However DOHC generally makes a Vee engine wider and taller as you've got 4 cams to fit in. And you need something to drive them (usually a belt, but might be a chain), so usually adds length too.
The LS engines are OHV, so a single cam in the block, this keeps the heads small and the height low. It also uses a very short simple chain from crank to cam, so adds no real length to it either.
The Rover KV6 is a nice compact modern style V6:
But it's only 2.5 litres, so limited n/a tuning unless you are building a high revving race engine.
KV6 is a good engine but I can't be bothered doing all the bell housing work to make it RWD, jag one is already RWD. A wankel might be good as the torque is low and there plenty of tuners out there, plus 9k redline
I don't think the Jag AJV6 (or the Ford variant) share anything with the old Cologne V6.
If you really fancy a Cologne, then I'd say try and find a late SOHC 4.0 variant. Used in the S197 Mustang and in US spec base model LR3's (Disco 3's instead of the diesel used elsewhere).
The Mustang version made 210hp and LR3's 216hp, both with a lot more torque than the 24v Cosworth 2.9 version. And obviously smaller being SOHC rather than DOHC.
The Mustangs version also runs a very lazy state of tune as the crappy Ford modular 4.6 motor at the time only made 260hp in 2v PI form and 300hp in 3v form. The 4.0 litre six had to be made a bit lame to distance the performance from the V8 models.
300hp with a few mods on a 4.0 litre Cologne really isn't that hard. And they take to boost quite well too.
With some luck you might find one in the UK from a written off S197 Mustang.
I'd avoid the older OHV variant found in things like the Explorer. They probably have potential, but start with only 160hp, so will require far more work to bring the power up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engi...
If you really fancy a Cologne, then I'd say try and find a late SOHC 4.0 variant. Used in the S197 Mustang and in US spec base model LR3's (Disco 3's instead of the diesel used elsewhere).
The Mustang version made 210hp and LR3's 216hp, both with a lot more torque than the 24v Cosworth 2.9 version. And obviously smaller being SOHC rather than DOHC.
The Mustangs version also runs a very lazy state of tune as the crappy Ford modular 4.6 motor at the time only made 260hp in 2v PI form and 300hp in 3v form. The 4.0 litre six had to be made a bit lame to distance the performance from the V8 models.
300hp with a few mods on a 4.0 litre Cologne really isn't that hard. And they take to boost quite well too.
With some luck you might find one in the UK from a written off S197 Mustang.
I'd avoid the older OHV variant found in things like the Explorer. They probably have potential, but start with only 160hp, so will require far more work to bring the power up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engi...
300bhp/ton said:
I don't think the Jag AJV6 (or the Ford variant) share anything with the old Cologne V6.
If you really fancy a Cologne, then I'd say try and find a late SOHC 4.0 variant. Used in the S197 Mustang and in US spec base model LR3's (Disco 3's instead of the diesel used elsewhere).
The Mustang version made 210hp and LR3's 216hp, both with a lot more torque than the 24v Cosworth 2.9 version. And obviously smaller being SOHC rather than DOHC.
The Mustangs version also runs a very lazy state of tune as the crappy Ford modular 4.6 motor at the time only made 260hp in 2v PI form and 300hp in 3v form. The 4.0 litre six had to be made a bit lame to distance the performance from the V8 models.
300hp with a few mods on a 4.0 litre Cologne really isn't that hard. And they take to boost quite well too.
With some luck you might find one in the UK from a written off S197 Mustang.
I'd avoid the older OHV variant found in things like the Explorer. They probably have potential, but start with only 160hp, so will require far more work to bring the power up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engi...
I'll see if I can find one, a 4.0 sounds like a rather large engine but being a 'murican engine, it wouldn't surprise me that it reacts well to a tune. Getting a LD3 would be great as they would be cheap and easy to find If you really fancy a Cologne, then I'd say try and find a late SOHC 4.0 variant. Used in the S197 Mustang and in US spec base model LR3's (Disco 3's instead of the diesel used elsewhere).
The Mustang version made 210hp and LR3's 216hp, both with a lot more torque than the 24v Cosworth 2.9 version. And obviously smaller being SOHC rather than DOHC.
The Mustangs version also runs a very lazy state of tune as the crappy Ford modular 4.6 motor at the time only made 260hp in 2v PI form and 300hp in 3v form. The 4.0 litre six had to be made a bit lame to distance the performance from the V8 models.
300hp with a few mods on a 4.0 litre Cologne really isn't that hard. And they take to boost quite well too.
With some luck you might find one in the UK from a written off S197 Mustang.
I'd avoid the older OHV variant found in things like the Explorer. They probably have potential, but start with only 160hp, so will require far more work to bring the power up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engi...
MaxRothery said:
I'll see if I can find one, a 4.0 sounds like a rather large engine but being a 'murican engine, it wouldn't surprise me that it reacts well to a tune. Getting a LD3 would be great as they would be cheap and easy to find
Maybe I wasn't clear enough 
The Cologne 4.0 SOHC V6 is still a Cologne engine, think it was even built in Germany, however was used mostly for the N. American market.
Physically it's the same size on the outside as all other Cologne V6's. It's American because ALL Fords are American when you come down to it. But that means little about it's tuning potential.
300bhp/ton said:
MaxRothery said:
I'll see if I can find one, a 4.0 sounds like a rather large engine but being a 'murican engine, it wouldn't surprise me that it reacts well to a tune. Getting a LD3 would be great as they would be cheap and easy to find
Maybe I wasn't clear enough The Cologne 4.0 SOHC V6 is still a Cologne engine, think it was even built in Germany, however was used mostly for the N. American market.
Physically it's the same size on the outside as all other Cologne V6's. It's American because ALL Fords are American when you come down to it. But that means little about it's tuning potential.
Max_Torque said:
MaxRothery said:
I'm going to be using a jag 3.0 V6
Good choice i think! Nice an easy initial conversion, and with a complete donor you have all the bits you should need! 
Fun (!)
Some interesting choice of engines suggested here. The Rover/TVR V8 is a logical option, same with 250bhp being the sensible and usable power...but I like the idea of a 4WD TC with a grunty engine that could turn this humble Triumph into a triumphant Triumph...therefore, why not a Subaru 2.5l from an FXT complete with all running gear? 223bhp as standard, highly highly tunable, all with lightweight modernity and compact footprint, all parts readily available from a multitude of good proven suppliers, an immense support group c/o the many highly knowledgeable forums...and absolute unbustable mechanicals. It's bit of a no-brainer really.
v8250 said:
Some interesting choice of engines suggested here. The Rover/TVR V8 is a logical option, same with 250bhp being the sensible and usable power...but I like the idea of a 4WD TC with a grunty engine that could turn this humble Triumph into a triumphant Triumph...therefore, why not a Subaru 2.5l from an FXT complete with all running gear? 223bhp as standard, highly highly tunable, all with lightweight modernity and compact footprint, all parts readily available from a multitude of good proven suppliers, an immense support group c/o the many highly knowledgeable forums...and absolute unbustable mechanicals. It's bit of a no-brainer really.
I have a turbo forester about to go for scrap... 
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