Saab 9-5 Aero - Hybrid Turbo and 9000 Bottom End - 350 bhp
Discussion
hardyfella said:
great work love it, I am a 9-5 aero owner with a remap and some hirsch bits, I really want a aero auto wagon with Lpg, currently on the lookout.
Have you seen these guys? https://www.facebook.com/shellfant best aftermarket dash idea I have seen for the Saab.
I am looking at the android headunits from these guys, http://www.eonon.co.uk/ seem to get good reviews and don't look too chinese/ebay style!
Good to hear about Tony Wallis spoke to him a couple of times and he would be who I would use for any engine rebuild work.
LPG would be great but I heard they run hotter so not sure about long term reliability?Have you seen these guys? https://www.facebook.com/shellfant best aftermarket dash idea I have seen for the Saab.
I am looking at the android headunits from these guys, http://www.eonon.co.uk/ seem to get good reviews and don't look too chinese/ebay style!
Good to hear about Tony Wallis spoke to him a couple of times and he would be who I would use for any engine rebuild work.
That aftermarket dash looks amazing! Fascia for 70 euros, but do you know which tablet device would go with it?
That looks really good value - http://www.eonon.co.uk/2-Din-DVD-Player/D2115.html - thanks for the recommendations.
Can strongly recommend Tony, he has a true passion for Saabs and also being an Aussie he has a 580 bhp Commodore, which is savage!
Be great to see some pics of your Saab, sounds like a beauty!
Edited by HybridAero on Monday 28th March 22:33
AntiLagGC8 said:
I find that fascinating, I love these cars and what you've done to yours. This is a proper sleeper! 
Your torque curve is superb although how usable is it? In lower gears presumably you are managing grip levels which in itself I also love as it really then becomes a car you have to drive well to get the best from.
My RB5 makes 343bhp on its standard map (I have 6 switchable maps) and looks completely different to this. On the normal map my car makes around 340lb/ft or around 470nm (I can't remember the exact number) but in an entirely different way and grip isn't a problem even in the wet. Below is my dyno output in its standard map (it has a more aggressive map with anti-lag/launch control etc).
Any ideas what time this would post on a quarter mile run?
Anyway top work and I'd love to see it at a track day!
Yeh it is a sleeper, it really takes people by surprise! It does require plenty of throttle modulation, but is quite laggy so gives you plenty of time before the turbo kicks you in the back, 3rd gear is the first you can plant your foot down in, but yeh the torque is pretty crazy, can overtake most cars now without surpassing 3000 revs.Your torque curve is superb although how usable is it? In lower gears presumably you are managing grip levels which in itself I also love as it really then becomes a car you have to drive well to get the best from.
My RB5 makes 343bhp on its standard map (I have 6 switchable maps) and looks completely different to this. On the normal map my car makes around 340lb/ft or around 470nm (I can't remember the exact number) but in an entirely different way and grip isn't a problem even in the wet. Below is my dyno output in its standard map (it has a more aggressive map with anti-lag/launch control etc).
Any ideas what time this would post on a quarter mile run?
Anyway top work and I'd love to see it at a track day!
Your car must be really fast, they weigh about 200 kg less than these Saabs, and your relative lack of torque is compensated for with a higher rev limit - i.e. your car is able to apply (less) torque at a higher rate of revolutions, resulting in pretty much the same hp.
Car is running really well, apart from a slight grinding noise during engine braking - Could this be a driveshaft bearing? It's a very faint version of this exact noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPKDrRNdC90
Quarter mile time, not sure but doubt it's be very impressive, by the time it's into its stride it'd have been annihalated! Would love to do it for a laugh though, what about yours?
Edited by HybridAero on Saturday 23 April 13:40
HybridAero said:
AntiLagGC8 said:
I find that fascinating, I love these cars and what you've done to yours. This is a proper sleeper!
Your torque curve is superb although how usable is it? In lower gears presumably you are managing grip levels which in itself I also love as it really then becomes a car you have to drive well to get the best from.
My RB5 makes 343bhp on its standard map (I have 6 switchable maps) and looks completely different to this. On the normal map my car makes around 340lb/ft or around 470nm (I can't remember the exact number) but in an entirely different way and grip isn't a problem even in the wet. Below is my dyno output in its standard map (it has a more aggressive map with anti-lag/launch control etc).
Any ideas what time this would post on a quarter mile run?
Anyway top work and I'd love to see it at a track day!
Yeh it is a sleeper, it really takes people by surprise! It does require plenty of throttle modulation, but is quite laggy so gives you plenty of time before the turbo kicks you in the back, 3rd gear is the first you can plant your foot down in, but yeh the torque is pretty crazy, can overtake most cars now without surpassing 3000 revs.Your torque curve is superb although how usable is it? In lower gears presumably you are managing grip levels which in itself I also love as it really then becomes a car you have to drive well to get the best from.
My RB5 makes 343bhp on its standard map (I have 6 switchable maps) and looks completely different to this. On the normal map my car makes around 340lb/ft or around 470nm (I can't remember the exact number) but in an entirely different way and grip isn't a problem even in the wet. Below is my dyno output in its standard map (it has a more aggressive map with anti-lag/launch control etc).
Any ideas what time this would post on a quarter mile run?
Anyway top work and I'd love to see it at a track day!
Your car must be really fast, they weight about 200 kg less than these Saabs, and your relative lack of torque is compensated for with a higher rev limit - i.e. your car is able to apply less torque at a higher rate of revolutions, resulting in pretty much the same hp.
Car is running really well, apart from a slight grinding noise during engine braking - Could this be a driveshaft bearing? It's a very faint version of this exact noise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPKDrRNdC90
Quarter mile time, not sure but doubt it's be very impressive, by the time it's into its stride it'd have been annihalated! Would love to do it for a laugh though, what about yours?
Edited by HybridAero on Monday 28th March 22:05
What else are you going to do with it?
wormus said:
+1 painted wheels look wrong. Silver is much classier.
Think I'll stick with silver then, they do have some awful kerbing though so will wait until I have sourced new front and rear bumpers before I get the wheels refurbed.They do look classier in silver, but just feel like it needs a little something else in the styling department, that hints at its potential lol
Edited by HybridAero on Saturday 18th February 12:39
AntiLagGC8 said:
My car is pretty good but needs more power really, I'm slightly bored of the performance now. I'm going to push towards 450bhp in a few months. Similar cars do the 1/4 in mid 12's so somewhere around there.
What else are you going to do with it?
Amazing how quickly we can get used to more power isn't it! I need to buy a micra or something to reset my perspective of what real world power truly is every now and then, otherwise plans for the future are to fit a gtx3071r turbo and LSD for 500 bhp, but not until next year as I'm so skint now!What else are you going to do with it?
HybridAero said:
Amazing how quickly we can get used to more power isn't it! I need to buy a micra or something to reset my perspective of what real world power truly is every now and then, otherwise plans for the future are to fit a gtx3071r turbo and LSD for 500 bhp, but not until next year as I'm so skint now!
And year after that, a straight cut helical gearbox.HybridAero said:
AntiLagGC8 said:
My car is pretty good but needs more power really, I'm slightly bored of the performance now. I'm going to push towards 450bhp in a few months. Similar cars do the 1/4 in mid 12's so somewhere around there.
What else are you going to do with it?
Amazing how quickly we can get used to more power isn't it! I need to buy a micra or something to reset my perspective of what real world power truly is every now and then, otherwise plans for the future are to fit a gtx3071r turbo and LSD for 500 bhp, but not until next year as I'm so skint now!What else are you going to do with it?
My car has been running that power for sometime now and its still quick but I'm guilty of wanting 'blow your doors off' quick! It's got everything else in place to do it, just needs a bigger turbo and remap. I have a 150bhp diesel car for day to day duties so feel the difference.
P.S. Silver wheels for me!
griffin dai said:
Looking forward to the vids
What's your 60-90 time now?
Not sure I reckon it's around 4 seconds, but that's just a guess!What's your 60-90 time now?
First vid once pump is installed will be 40-100 in 3rd gear, just need to find a private road! Need to do a VMax event, also if I do a Nürburgring/autobahn trip I'll have to get the mapping upped to max (540NM) in 5th gear to try and hit the magic 170 although I'm not sure what these are geared for, I remember hearing 168 at the rev limiter in 5th?
HybridAero said:
Think I'll stick with silver then, they do have some awful kerbing though so will wait until I have sourced new front and rear bumpers before I get the wheels refurbed.
They do look classier in silver, but just feel like it needs a little something else in the styling department, that hints at its potential lol
That looks spot on, I think. Really good.They do look classier in silver, but just feel like it needs a little something else in the styling department, that hints at its potential lol
AntiLagGC8 said:
That sounds like fun!
My car has been running that power for sometime now and its still quick but I'm guilty of wanting 'blow your doors off' quick! It's got everything else in place to do it, just needs a bigger turbo and remap. I have a 150bhp diesel car for day to day duties so feel the difference.
P.S. Silver wheels for me!
Have you done a thread yet on your motor? Needs to be done!My car has been running that power for sometime now and its still quick but I'm guilty of wanting 'blow your doors off' quick! It's got everything else in place to do it, just needs a bigger turbo and remap. I have a 150bhp diesel car for day to day duties so feel the difference.
P.S. Silver wheels for me!
What's making me want to go for silly power are these videos lol
These are hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsStvVgOYiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNp6CGdEII
And the acceleration is just silly on this one with a GTX3071R (same car as the above vids)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUL__9Tnh8w
HybridAero said:
AntiLagGC8 said:
That sounds like fun!
My car has been running that power for sometime now and its still quick but I'm guilty of wanting 'blow your doors off' quick! It's got everything else in place to do it, just needs a bigger turbo and remap. I have a 150bhp diesel car for day to day duties so feel the difference.
P.S. Silver wheels for me!
Have you done a thread yet on your motor? Needs to be done!My car has been running that power for sometime now and its still quick but I'm guilty of wanting 'blow your doors off' quick! It's got everything else in place to do it, just needs a bigger turbo and remap. I have a 150bhp diesel car for day to day duties so feel the difference.
P.S. Silver wheels for me!
What's making me want to go for silly power are these videos lol
These are hilarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsStvVgOYiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNp6CGdEII
And the acceleration is just silly on this one with a GTX3071R (same car as the above vids)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUL__9Tnh8w
Those Saab's sounded wonderful in those clips!
HybridAero said:
Not sure I reckon it's around 4 seconds, but that's just a guess!
First vid once pump is installed will be 40-100 in 3rd gear, just need to find a private road! Need to do a VMax event, also if I do a Nürburgring/autobahn trip I'll have to get the mapping upped to max (540NM) in 5th gear to try and hit the magic 170 although I'm not sure what these are geared for, I remember hearing 168 at the rev limiter in 5th?
I'd be happy with that First vid once pump is installed will be 40-100 in 3rd gear, just need to find a private road! Need to do a VMax event, also if I do a Nürburgring/autobahn trip I'll have to get the mapping upped to max (540NM) in 5th gear to try and hit the magic 170 although I'm not sure what these are geared for, I remember hearing 168 at the rev limiter in 5th?
I thought you had the pump fitted? I'd have a good think about going for the Garett (££££) these new gtx series do spool up quicker than the old ones so thats what I'd be going for, my old gt3076r was a pain in the arse with the extra lag, ballistic above 80 (as in stupid quick!!) but not much life under 70! Foot would be welded to the floor in 3rd from 50 and didn't really get going until 75!!! But it's a fair bit of work to get them fitted (off the top of my head from the last build) your probably looking at:
Turbo £900ish? Not sure on these gtx ones by they're pretty expensive
New downpipe or have yours modified with a 3" vband. You'd really want to go for the 3" vband here as its less restrictive. Around £300 for a new DP?
5 bolt to 3 bolt or vband adapter (bolts the turbo to the downpipe) around £90?
New braided turbo lines around £150. You'll need braided here really to make it easier fitting up.
Actuator £100? Forge are good.
Actuator bracket made up
Maybe a manifold spacer (sas customs sell them)
I'd budget for a tubular here if your going for it so maybe £600-700? (Sas customs or Al on UKS)
Various gaskets/oil restrictor/intake side needs changing (GB-ent sell them)
Thinner rad fan? Mine 'just' cleared but had to ditch the AC. I was looking at a SPAL fan if I fitted my tubular.
Then get the lot fitted, to give a rough idea my old gt28rs/gt30 build came in around £2,300 all in. That was going from stage 4 to 5/6.
My money would be going on a Quaife then keep it nice & rapid under 90. Fun having a bonkers quick 100+mph Saab but it soon wears off!!
griffin dai said:
I'd be happy with that I thought you had the pump fitted?
I'd have a good think about going for the Garett (££££) these new gtx series do spool up quicker than the old ones so thats what I'd be going for, my old gt3076r was a pain in the arse with the extra lag, ballistic above 80 (as in stupid quick!!) but not much life under 70! Foot would be welded to the floor in 3rd from 50 and didn't really get going until 75!!! But it's a fair bit of work to get them fitted (off the top of my head from the last build) your probably looking at:
Turbo £900ish? Not sure on these gtx ones by they're pretty expensive
New downpipe or have yours modified with a 3" vband. You'd really want to go for the 3" vband here as its less restrictive. Around £300 for a new DP?
5 bolt to 3 bolt or vband adapter (bolts the turbo to the downpipe) around £90?
New braided turbo lines around £150. You'll need braided here really to make it easier fitting up.
Actuator £100? Forge are good.
Actuator bracket made up
Maybe a manifold spacer (sas customs sell them)
I'd budget for a tubular here if your going for it so maybe £600-700? (Sas customs or Al on UKS)
Various gaskets/oil restrictor/intake side needs changing (GB-ent sell them)
Thinner rad fan? Mine 'just' cleared but had to ditch the AC. I was looking at a SPAL fan if I fitted my tubular.
Then get the lot fitted, to give a rough idea my old gt28rs/gt30 build came in around £2,300 all in. That was going from stage 4 to 5/6.
My money would be going on a Quaife then keep it nice & rapid under 90. Fun having a bonkers quick 100+mph Saab but it soon wears off!!
Pump being installed tomorrow morning I thought you had the pump fitted? I'd have a good think about going for the Garett (££££) these new gtx series do spool up quicker than the old ones so thats what I'd be going for, my old gt3076r was a pain in the arse with the extra lag, ballistic above 80 (as in stupid quick!!) but not much life under 70! Foot would be welded to the floor in 3rd from 50 and didn't really get going until 75!!! But it's a fair bit of work to get them fitted (off the top of my head from the last build) your probably looking at:
Turbo £900ish? Not sure on these gtx ones by they're pretty expensive
New downpipe or have yours modified with a 3" vband. You'd really want to go for the 3" vband here as its less restrictive. Around £300 for a new DP?
5 bolt to 3 bolt or vband adapter (bolts the turbo to the downpipe) around £90?
New braided turbo lines around £150. You'll need braided here really to make it easier fitting up.
Actuator £100? Forge are good.
Actuator bracket made up
Maybe a manifold spacer (sas customs sell them)
I'd budget for a tubular here if your going for it so maybe £600-700? (Sas customs or Al on UKS)
Various gaskets/oil restrictor/intake side needs changing (GB-ent sell them)
Thinner rad fan? Mine 'just' cleared but had to ditch the AC. I was looking at a SPAL fan if I fitted my tubular.
Then get the lot fitted, to give a rough idea my old gt28rs/gt30 build came in around £2,300 all in. That was going from stage 4 to 5/6.
My money would be going on a Quaife then keep it nice & rapid under 90. Fun having a bonkers quick 100+mph Saab but it soon wears off!!
The Walbro 255LPH Intank Fuel Pump and Install Kit arrived in time just in time this morning, the Walbro's got a lot of weight to it which I guess is reassuring!
Thanks for the run-down of parts required, much appreciated. Will give Tony a call hopefully later this year to aim for 500 bhp, but for now I need to do some trackdays, as it's plenty quick enough for my limited driving skills.
Say it'd cost 2k to get it to the big 500, I could probably sell the current downpipe and 19t setup for around 1k so needs to be done!
What about cams though? Would I need more aggressive cams and deka injectors, the 630cc ones?
Edited by HybridAero on Friday 1st April 22:33
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