Saab 9-5 Aero - Hybrid Turbo and 9000 Bottom End - 350 bhp
Discussion
RumbleOfThunder said:
Nice. Are you still running standard discs and calipers? I'd be thinking about beefing them up when the big turbo goes in. 
Thanks. Funds permitting I'd like an AP Racing setup, but that's over £2k. A good compromise would be Ferodo DS2500 pads, Motul RBF600 brake fluid and braided lines, which I will most likely fit alongside the big turbo setup.
Well the project has finally come to a close.
I had plans to take it to 500 bhp, but a friend off UKSaabs was selling his 480 bhp 9000.
Bit of cash his way and we had a deal!
Here she is - the drive home it was absolutely savage.
Going from a 19t to a GT3071 is quite a leap, much less responsive but when it kicks in boy do you need to be awake!
Bye bye 9-5!
I had plans to take it to 500 bhp, but a friend off UKSaabs was selling his 480 bhp 9000.
Bit of cash his way and we had a deal!
Here she is - the drive home it was absolutely savage.
Going from a 19t to a GT3071 is quite a leap, much less responsive but when it kicks in boy do you need to be awake!
Bye bye 9-5!
Edited by HybridAero on Saturday 30th September 15:42
Spec list is as follows:
Engine rebored to just under 2.4L (Sutton Rebore)
3000mile old rebuild - all new timing, oil pump, seals, shells, bearings
etc.
Wossner pistons
Balanced B234 rods
Balanced crank/flywheel
ARP Studs
Maptun 268 Cams
Baffled deep sump
Custom large plenum intake Mani
Tubular Manifold
Garrett GT3071R turbo with braied lines
Tial 38mm External wastegate
Walbro 255 pump
Forge dump valve
Oversize ITG filter
Uprated alloy radiator (40% thicker)
60mm Allard intercooler
630cc siemens injectors
3 bar map sensor
Running approx. 444hp and 420ftlbs at the hubs (480 at the fly) at 1.6bar but will happily push over 500 if boost and ignition is pushed.
Poly bushed
3" V-banded downpipe and JT exhaust
Gearbox and transmission
Rebuilt box with shot peened and cryogenic treated 4.45 gearset and longer 9-5 5th.
Quaife LSD
Circlip and dowel strengthening mod
2004 crush sleeve
All new bearings
Millers CFS LS 75-140 NT oil
New driveshaft tripods
New SKF CV joints
New intermediate bearing
Lightweight flywheel 5.5kg
Poly bushed
Auber Temperature sensor / gauge
Sachs uprated clutch cover, Cg motorsport solid paddle friction plate, braided hose, uprated modified clutch master cylinder (ensures cleaner disengagement)
Suspension
2k mile Bilstein B6/8
SAS anti roll bars front rear
350lb front coilover conversions ( adjustable height)
600lb rear coilover (adjustable height)
New SKF wheel bearing
Poly bushed
Brakes
AP Racing 330mm calipers
Reyland front discs
Abbot racing rear discs
DS3000 pads all round
Braided lines all round
Abs removed
Wheels
Superleggera 17X7.5J.
2 sets:
Road tyres - Nankang NS2R
Track tyres - Michelin slicks
Interior
Corbeau Kevlar pro series bucket seats
3 inch Luke 4 point harness
Stock seat belts
Full aero interior (front seat tucked away safe and sound)
Alpine ezi-dab with amp, gain controller and front speakers only
330mm flocked nardi steering wheel with driftworks snap off boss
Gauges
Auber digital / programmable: Oil pressure, Water Temp, Gearbox Temp.
Afr gauge
Knock led
All in custom made carbon panels
Other
Rear Abbot trianguled/bolted rear strut brace
Maptun lightweight alloy front strut brace
Car lightened throughout - Weight approx 1300kg
Engine rebored to just under 2.4L (Sutton Rebore)
3000mile old rebuild - all new timing, oil pump, seals, shells, bearings
etc.
Wossner pistons
Balanced B234 rods
Balanced crank/flywheel
ARP Studs
Maptun 268 Cams
Baffled deep sump
Custom large plenum intake Mani
Tubular Manifold
Garrett GT3071R turbo with braied lines
Tial 38mm External wastegate
Walbro 255 pump
Forge dump valve
Oversize ITG filter
Uprated alloy radiator (40% thicker)
60mm Allard intercooler
630cc siemens injectors
3 bar map sensor
Running approx. 444hp and 420ftlbs at the hubs (480 at the fly) at 1.6bar but will happily push over 500 if boost and ignition is pushed.
Poly bushed
3" V-banded downpipe and JT exhaust
Gearbox and transmission
Rebuilt box with shot peened and cryogenic treated 4.45 gearset and longer 9-5 5th.
Quaife LSD
Circlip and dowel strengthening mod
2004 crush sleeve
All new bearings
Millers CFS LS 75-140 NT oil
New driveshaft tripods
New SKF CV joints
New intermediate bearing
Lightweight flywheel 5.5kg
Poly bushed
Auber Temperature sensor / gauge
Sachs uprated clutch cover, Cg motorsport solid paddle friction plate, braided hose, uprated modified clutch master cylinder (ensures cleaner disengagement)
Suspension
2k mile Bilstein B6/8
SAS anti roll bars front rear
350lb front coilover conversions ( adjustable height)
600lb rear coilover (adjustable height)
New SKF wheel bearing
Poly bushed
Brakes
AP Racing 330mm calipers
Reyland front discs
Abbot racing rear discs
DS3000 pads all round
Braided lines all round
Abs removed
Wheels
Superleggera 17X7.5J.
2 sets:
Road tyres - Nankang NS2R
Track tyres - Michelin slicks
Interior
Corbeau Kevlar pro series bucket seats
3 inch Luke 4 point harness
Stock seat belts
Full aero interior (front seat tucked away safe and sound)
Alpine ezi-dab with amp, gain controller and front speakers only
330mm flocked nardi steering wheel with driftworks snap off boss
Gauges
Auber digital / programmable: Oil pressure, Water Temp, Gearbox Temp.
Afr gauge
Knock led
All in custom made carbon panels
Other
Rear Abbot trianguled/bolted rear strut brace
Maptun lightweight alloy front strut brace
Car lightened throughout - Weight approx 1300kg
RumbleOfThunder said:
Wow I didn't see that coming! Think I prefer the 9-5 on balance but that's a cracking 9000 with a small fortune spent on it. Any immediate plans or are you happy with the spec for now?
The 9-5 was more fun at sane speeds but this 9000 is a supercar! With 480 bhp and only weighing 1360 kg it's absolutely savage once the turbo wakes up. Sounds incredible also. No immediate plans at all, nice to have something that's sorted!Edited by HybridAero on Sunday 1st October 01:32
Hi, bit later to the party but any chance of more info/photos of that intake manifold?
I'd been musing about the feasibility of doing one like that, as the stock IM (on a B235) doesn't look particular evenly flowing, and moving the throttle to the side gives better flow of the intake pipework too. Win win!
Excellent build, may have been somewhat responsible for me now having an LSD and soon also Wossners and a td05 to go in my 9-5!
I'd been musing about the feasibility of doing one like that, as the stock IM (on a B235) doesn't look particular evenly flowing, and moving the throttle to the side gives better flow of the intake pipework too. Win win!
Excellent build, may have been somewhat responsible for me now having an LSD and soon also Wossners and a td05 to go in my 9-5!
43655 said:
Hi, bit later to the party but any chance of more info/photos of that intake manifold?
I'd been musing about the feasibility of doing one like that, as the stock IM (on a B235) doesn't look particular evenly flowing, and moving the throttle to the side gives better flow of the intake pipework too. Win win!
Excellent build, may have been somewhat responsible for me now having an LSD and soon also Wossners and a td05 to go in my 9-5!
Thanks pal, got any pics of your 9-5? Would love to see another 9-5 tuning thread on here! The custom inlet is on my 9000 Aero which has replaced the 9-5 - See pics here: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... and hear the induction roar here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc_CvBCLCfcI'd been musing about the feasibility of doing one like that, as the stock IM (on a B235) doesn't look particular evenly flowing, and moving the throttle to the side gives better flow of the intake pipework too. Win win!
Excellent build, may have been somewhat responsible for me now having an LSD and soon also Wossners and a td05 to go in my 9-5!
Have you spoken to Karl@Noobtune re mapping? He's brilliant, a real wizard.
Thanks for the links, interesting stuff!
Have made a rather breif thread for mine here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Will hopefully be using Karl when the time comes, although up until the terminal engine failure i'd been running it on the stock map...
Have made a rather breif thread for mine here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Will hopefully be using Karl when the time comes, although up until the terminal engine failure i'd been running it on the stock map...
egor110 said:
That is what i love with these saabs , that for a fraction of the cost you've got something pushing out the numbers of something far more expensive.
Imagine the phase 1 but lighter i think the cups something like 1020 kg , renault stated the 0-60 was 6.5 but supposedly autocar manged to do it in 6.2! , i know 0-60 isn't the be all and end all but for a b road weapon it's what i look at as it's not going to be doing over 60 much of the time.
Can't wait to see what you do next to your saab .
Funny reading this now as I'm now running a Ph1 172 and couldn't agree more, it's epic on b roads, deeply, deeply impressive.Imagine the phase 1 but lighter i think the cups something like 1020 kg , renault stated the 0-60 was 6.5 but supposedly autocar manged to do it in 6.2! , i know 0-60 isn't the be all and end all but for a b road weapon it's what i look at as it's not going to be doing over 60 much of the time.
Can't wait to see what you do next to your saab .
And can vouch for the 6ish second 0-60! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNUlfEdwU0c
So that's it, I decided I'd had enough of the 9k! With the clutch going the other day, further welding work needed, and a relentless thirst for oil, I decided enough was enough. A quick chinwag with the previous owner and we decided to do a straight swap.
In exchange for my old 9-5!
The 9-5's only done 1200 miles in the previous owner's hands, as the Taiwanese eBay turbo blew earlier this year, and he replaced with an AET 19t turbo (at the princely sum of £760), which is already smoking for some reason. Previous owner says it started smoking after only a couple of miles!
I spoke to Lee at AET and he sounds a good bloke and was more than willing to help, so the plan is to get this AET turbo off next month, send it across to Wakefield and get them to inspect it.
Strange considering I got nearly 20k miles out of the eBay cheapo turbo!
Once that's done I plan to just run the thing.
Need to get the (Phase 1 172) Clio sold also as I've decided it's just not practical enough and this 9-5 makes for a great all rounder.
In exchange for my old 9-5!
The 9-5's only done 1200 miles in the previous owner's hands, as the Taiwanese eBay turbo blew earlier this year, and he replaced with an AET 19t turbo (at the princely sum of £760), which is already smoking for some reason. Previous owner says it started smoking after only a couple of miles!
I spoke to Lee at AET and he sounds a good bloke and was more than willing to help, so the plan is to get this AET turbo off next month, send it across to Wakefield and get them to inspect it.
Strange considering I got nearly 20k miles out of the eBay cheapo turbo!
Once that's done I plan to just run the thing.
Need to get the (Phase 1 172) Clio sold also as I've decided it's just not practical enough and this 9-5 makes for a great all rounder.
BiTurbo228 said:
Very interesting indeed I'm sure I'll be mining this thread for information on how to affordably tune a Saab B-Series (one of the future plans for my Spitfire when I get tired of my mate's turbo 5 outdragging it is to try and mate a Saab B204 to an LT77 and stick that in there...).
Awesome, should be quite efficient in such a light body! I'm sure I'll be mining this thread for information on how to affordably tune a Saab B-Series (one of the future plans for my Spitfire when I get tired of my mate's turbo 5 outdragging it is to try and mate a Saab B204 to an LT77 and stick that in there...).Not to be a bad influence but a b204 on stock internals made 666 bhp
http://www.serioussaab.co.uk/articles_pages/B2x4tr...
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