Alfa Romeo 156 2.5 V6
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OpulentBob said:
Would it be vulgar to ask what happened? Looks hefty.
k, especially with no cage. rxe said:
As I was looking at that, the bits we can actually see in the photo don't look at all structural. I can even see the wing folded back along the line of the structural support.
If the front members will bend back, get yourself a 1.8 and replace the doors, wings and bonnet. My parts car is 612/a silver, but I want the wings and bonnet off it. Got bumpers and doors! I only bought it because I wanted the boot lid and wings - getting those separately was about £50 each. Getting the whole car was £82 + petrol money.
Did 120 miles in mine today, reminded me what great machines they are, worth saving.
Inclined to agree with that assessment, based on one photo only... Being a track-only car, I'd see what can be achieved with a lump-hammer and a donor car.If the front members will bend back, get yourself a 1.8 and replace the doors, wings and bonnet. My parts car is 612/a silver, but I want the wings and bonnet off it. Got bumpers and doors! I only bought it because I wanted the boot lid and wings - getting those separately was about £50 each. Getting the whole car was £82 + petrol money.
Did 120 miles in mine today, reminded me what great machines they are, worth saving.
Edited by rxe on Monday 7th November 19:29
C70R said:
rxe said:
As I was looking at that, the bits we can actually see in the photo don't look at all structural. I can even see the wing folded back along the line of the structural support.
If the front members will bend back, get yourself a 1.8 and replace the doors, wings and bonnet. My parts car is 612/a silver, but I want the wings and bonnet off it. Got bumpers and doors! I only bought it because I wanted the boot lid and wings - getting those separately was about £50 each. Getting the whole car was £82 + petrol money.
Did 120 miles in mine today, reminded me what great machines they are, worth saving.
Inclined to agree with that assessment, based on one photo only... Being a track-only car, I'd see what can be achieved with a lump-hammer and a donor car.If the front members will bend back, get yourself a 1.8 and replace the doors, wings and bonnet. My parts car is 612/a silver, but I want the wings and bonnet off it. Got bumpers and doors! I only bought it because I wanted the boot lid and wings - getting those separately was about £50 each. Getting the whole car was £82 + petrol money.
Did 120 miles in mine today, reminded me what great machines they are, worth saving.
Edited by rxe on Monday 7th November 19:29
Nah, not that one - its a V6, which makes it more expensive, and the guy selling it seems to think that that hideous bodykit is worth money. Davebem doesn't want everyone laughing at him on track days if he re-uses those bumpers.
This one would do the job:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/alfa-romeo-156-t-spark-l...
This one would do the job:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/alfa-romeo-156-t-spark-l...
Better option
Take engine and box
Buy their kit
http://www.listerbell.com/
At which point your mrs will probably leave you, but it's not so bad as it'll give you plenty of time to build it
Then become the envy of PH
Job done
Take engine and box
Buy their kit
http://www.listerbell.com/
At which point your mrs will probably leave you, but it's not so bad as it'll give you plenty of time to build it
Then become the envy of PH
Job done
Id love to stick the engine in a Stratos replica, the prices soon tally up though for all the bits!!
Theres a vid of my crash in my mates blog here: https://youtu.be/sBQ8xsljYGg @ 09:45
Pics below show the frontal damage, with the bent side members. Its only bent in front of the strut towers/subframe. The front cross members are actually untouched but approx 25mm off centre!
Theres a vid of my crash in my mates blog here: https://youtu.be/sBQ8xsljYGg @ 09:45
Pics below show the frontal damage, with the bent side members. Its only bent in front of the strut towers/subframe. The front cross members are actually untouched but approx 25mm off centre!
Hmmm, video shows you've clattered the rear wing, which is a bore because that is weld on and expensive. Looks like re-shelling is sensible, but big job.
I do like the nonchalant "one hand on the wheel" approach to stacking it. I think I'd have had both hands in a death grip and been filling my trousers at the same time...
I do like the nonchalant "one hand on the wheel" approach to stacking it. I think I'd have had both hands in a death grip and been filling my trousers at the same time...
Ive started to dismantle the car. Im going to drop the whole front as 1 piece (subframe, suspension, engine, gearbox) onto a pallet by lifting the body up and over the engine. Strip out the interior and then scrap the body.
It looks like any petrol CF3 (euro3 spec) 156 will be suitable body donor, the early CF2 cars appear to have a different wiring setups and fuel pump.
or
Find another V6 156 and sell my spare engine and stock of parts.
It looks like any petrol CF3 (euro3 spec) 156 will be suitable body donor, the early CF2 cars appear to have a different wiring setups and fuel pump.
or
Find another V6 156 and sell my spare engine and stock of parts.
davebem said:
Ive started to dismantle the car. Im going to drop the whole front as 1 piece (subframe, suspension, engine, gearbox) onto a pallet by lifting the body up and over the engine. Strip out the interior and then scrap the body.
It looks like any petrol CF3 (euro3 spec) 156 will be suitable body donor, the early CF2 cars appear to have a different wiring setups and fuel pump.
or
Find another V6 156 and sell my spare engine and stock of parts.
Possibly a really stupid suggestion, but would putting the v6 lump into a 147 be an option? Would make a pretty cool GTA-LiteIt looks like any petrol CF3 (euro3 spec) 156 will be suitable body donor, the early CF2 cars appear to have a different wiring setups and fuel pump.
or
Find another V6 156 and sell my spare engine and stock of parts.
Ive just driven this down from Preston, ex Alfa press car and has had some interesting previous owners.
A 2.0 Twinspark on 49k, with complementing 10 service stamps (roughly serviced every 5k!) with tan leather and nearly all the options ticked including electric sunroof, alpine cassette player with 8 speakers and cd changer, climate etc. Oddly it doesnt have a front arm rest or rear centre headrest though, and only has a lap belt in the middle.
The twinny handles rather well and obviously isnt as nose heavy as the V6, it also sounds pretty good for a 4 pot, its raspy and has an old school feel and character to it, and its rev happy. I think this one has a cable throttle as its very responsive, when hitting 3000revs it sort of does a pronounced long fart that pushes it further at decent pace. Its not going to win any drag races with a modern diesel, but it feels fast-ish and is very engaging to drive.
The exhaust is knackered and on the drivers side rear floorpan there is some rust where a couple of the vents have turned into holes that will need welding, but the sills and jacking points are all mint. One of the doors has had a bad spray job from some parking damage, but its the same colour code as the other one so hopefully the paint on my 1 good door is a good match to this one.
Ive already replaced a cracked foglight and put new badges on.
Ive got wood.....
A 2.0 Twinspark on 49k, with complementing 10 service stamps (roughly serviced every 5k!) with tan leather and nearly all the options ticked including electric sunroof, alpine cassette player with 8 speakers and cd changer, climate etc. Oddly it doesnt have a front arm rest or rear centre headrest though, and only has a lap belt in the middle.
The twinny handles rather well and obviously isnt as nose heavy as the V6, it also sounds pretty good for a 4 pot, its raspy and has an old school feel and character to it, and its rev happy. I think this one has a cable throttle as its very responsive, when hitting 3000revs it sort of does a pronounced long fart that pushes it further at decent pace. Its not going to win any drag races with a modern diesel, but it feels fast-ish and is very engaging to drive.
The exhaust is knackered and on the drivers side rear floorpan there is some rust where a couple of the vents have turned into holes that will need welding, but the sills and jacking points are all mint. One of the doors has had a bad spray job from some parking damage, but its the same colour code as the other one so hopefully the paint on my 1 good door is a good match to this one.
Ive already replaced a cracked foglight and put new badges on.
Ive got wood.....
Edited by davebem on Sunday 27th November 20:58
Thought Id update this thread with progress, I had both cars in garage over christmas and didnt really get any chances to spend time in the garage. Last weekend I put the twinny on the drive under a cover and finally started dismantling the V6.
The interior is out, exhaust off, fuel drained. Everything is disconnected from the engine which was very straight forward, and the body is on stands while the engine, subframe assembly etc is resting on a pallett.
Im just waiting to borrow a engine hoist from a mate, and need to hire a pallet truck. Im not sure how Im going to get the subframe-less car back out the garage yet....any suggestions?
All that will be left will be the bodyshell, as she is rust free Im also going to cut out the floor sections as these maybe of some use for repairing the donor.
Broken left hand side engine mount:
As above a couple of parts in engine bay were broken, the airbox was smashed to bits, already have a spare one of those, but I need:
- Left hand engine mount (the existing one is bent)
- Plastic oil breather fitting from front bank - hard to get as nobody wants to break a whole engine.
- Coolant tank
Also while everything is off I might as well consider the following:
- Cat-less CF2 manifolds
- Upgrade Anti roll bar mounts
- Replace/upgrade oil cooler.
- Check condition of cambelt (it was only done in sep 2015).
The interior is out, exhaust off, fuel drained. Everything is disconnected from the engine which was very straight forward, and the body is on stands while the engine, subframe assembly etc is resting on a pallett.
Im just waiting to borrow a engine hoist from a mate, and need to hire a pallet truck. Im not sure how Im going to get the subframe-less car back out the garage yet....any suggestions?
All that will be left will be the bodyshell, as she is rust free Im also going to cut out the floor sections as these maybe of some use for repairing the donor.
Broken left hand side engine mount:
As above a couple of parts in engine bay were broken, the airbox was smashed to bits, already have a spare one of those, but I need:
- Left hand engine mount (the existing one is bent)
- Plastic oil breather fitting from front bank - hard to get as nobody wants to break a whole engine.
- Coolant tank
Also while everything is off I might as well consider the following:
- Cat-less CF2 manifolds
- Upgrade Anti roll bar mounts
- Replace/upgrade oil cooler.
- Check condition of cambelt (it was only done in sep 2015).
You'll need the wiring loom, probably from the dash forward. Don't chuck any of the wiring away until you have everything working.
Check the sills and front seatbelt mounts on the new shell really carefully. All of the holes for the additional belt in the back will be there, and the 3 headrest interior will fit.
Getting the car out - either chop it up, or get a scrap man with a grab to pick it up.
Check the sills and front seatbelt mounts on the new shell really carefully. All of the holes for the additional belt in the back will be there, and the 3 headrest interior will fit.
Getting the car out - either chop it up, or get a scrap man with a grab to pick it up.
Edited by rxe on Saturday 21st January 21:36
^ thanks, the wiring loom is the only thing bothering me. Im hoping the body wiring loom for the donor is compatable with the engine loom for the V6. I havnt got behind the dash yet to see whats different. Despite my own advice earlier in this thread the donor is a CF2 and my V6 is a CF3. Theres also a couple of other differences, the CF3s appear to have a different key system, they also have a fuel cut off switch linked to fuel pump, fly-by wire throttle and different ecu location. I guess ill need to transfer the dash clocks, lock barrels and central locking module too.
davebem said:
Im just waiting to borrow a engine hoist from a mate, and need to hire a pallet truck. Im not sure how Im going to get the subframe-less car back out the garage yet....any suggestions?
Yes. You need a set of wheel dollies and some big blocks of wood. Put the wood on the dollies and slide them under the (raised) car. Drop the car onto the wood and you can now push it around. Moving it is really a 2 man job unless the floor is dead flat and smooth as it will tend to go in any direction.
You can borrow my dollies and suitable blocks of wood if you want, although I'm not that close to you being in Staffordshire.
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