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Zombie

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My other car is...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Also an Alfa. But when I was presented with the opportunity to buy a;

156
Black
Diesel
Estate...

I could find little reason not to. Apart from arguments with the neighbours about how many cars we own as a family. Which is why it ended up at a mate's (commercial) garage.

Like my thread about the GTA, I've been posting half regular updates about the problems and progress I've made with the car on the Alfa forums and have elected to start another, replicated thread here. So what follows in the next few posts is cut and pasted from my posts when I bought it Nov 2014(ish) till now.

It's been my daily drive for nearly 18 months. I've barely had to touch it (mechanically speaking) for 12 months, but that isn't to say it doesn't have issues.

The broken windscreen being the inspiration for this post. I've got auto glass booked to replace it this coming monday and I'm sure they'll blame the previous windscreen fitter for the failure until I tell them it was Autoglass....

Zombie

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Cut and pasted from my "help" thread;

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As some of you may know, I have a new project car to fix. It's a 54 plate 156SW 1.9jtd mjet.

It also has an alfatune 175bhp remap. I mention this only for info, not because I think it's got anything to do with the problems I'm about to describe.

It's recently had problems with its injectors, no 1 failed wide open, causing the car to grind to a halt. Testing ALL of the injectors showed this to be the problem (2,3 & 4 were OK) and the worst was assumed initially, that the engine would be scrap.

However an injector was cobbled together by a specialist and fitted, the engine ran, albeit badly. It felt like it has a misfire lacked power and smoked. A lot.

It was a this point, the owner gave up, bought a Brera and sold it to me.

I bought it expecting to find that it has a bent con rod but I've fitted another replacement injector supplied by the seller that is assumed to be good. It now runs like it should, ish.

It feels like it has it's full compliment of ponies but it has a slight misfire which can be heard at the exhaust pipe but isn't noticeable otherwise.

I also still smokes, a lot, when revved hard. Black smoke.

No fault codes are logged.

I disconnected the MAF, which made no difference to the way it ran, so we swapped that for an unknown replacement. No Change. Same for the MAP sensor. But then I don't know if the replacements are any good.

The injector on 1, the one I replaced needs a new seal, combustion gases are leaking past it, which may explain the slight misfire.

It clatters, more so than I would expect, occasionally after being left to idle then revved hard.

That was tonight but after that, we gave up. It was dark, 2.0deg c and raining...

Next up...

Code the replacement injector in to the ecu and make sure the other 3 are coded right.

Check the EGR valve?

Fuel pressure values.

And maybe a leakage test for the injectors.
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[quote]The engine problems are now fixed. ish....

I had nothing to do with it.

I didn't fix anything.

My (Pensioner) Dad has done it all. frown

This is why:

https://flic.kr/p/qqDMct

I've had that plate and screws taken out of my arm. I had the a phone call tues 2nd dec asking if I could come in, plate out 5th Dec and I'm still out of action.

It's very frustrating. But in addition to fixing the known issue;

Excessive smoke and poor running, fixed with;

2nd hand, proven injectors
New MAF
New MAP
2nd hand fuel pressure regulator
New injector seals

My dad has been busy fixing;

The seized broken rear wash wipe
Failing windscreen wiper mechanism
(Very)Broken under tray

He's also in the process of upgrading the headlights, and he's checked the floor for rot (all good! smile )

I'm sure he's done more....

He has. Mirrors off, corrosion cleaned up... Apparently this is a lengthy manual process.

I'm feeling somewhat guilty at this point.
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My Dad also reset the cam timing, which was slightly out.

[quote]Xmas update...

We (i.e. my Dad) found a cheap replacement fuel pressure sender on ebay and fitted that. It was a GM part with a different Bosch PN but off what is effectively the same engine. Fitting that cut down on the amount of smoke under hard acceleration but also affected performance - it felt slightly down on power.

It did, however give a more realistic mpg figure of around 55mpg rather than 68mpg.

Thinking, that perhaps this might be a promising solution we (my Dad) sourced and fitted the right part. And it went back to trailing a thick smog behind the tailgate... For about 20 miles. It seems that it's adjusted itself and whilst it isn't great, smoke output is back to where it was with the GM sender. Performance is improved though.

It's also back to the unrealistic 60+mpg...:roll eyes: It's got half a tank shown on the fuel gauge and it's showing a range of around 500 miles... Yeah. Right.

We (my Dad) also replaced the thermostat. It's still very slow to get up to temp compared with the GTA though. I think the temp sender is faulty? The new sender that came with the stat is the wrong one though (4 v's 3 pins). Next part I guess.

We (my Dad) has also sourced a bi-zenon projector lens conversion kit from eBay. I had a long argument with someone on here (their now banned) about the merits of the cheap projector lenses v's the expensive ones from retrofit source. At the time I'd ended up with the retrofit source ones but the cheap ones my Dad has sourced for the 156 are EXACTLY the fecking same bar some minor extraneous mounting bolts. They were about £15 quid each IIRC. Well worth it even if they come in LHD configuration to begin with.... Then again so did the retrofit source ones. :roll eyes:

So that's coming too, it needs them. The standard filament headlights are like having cataracts.

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[quote]We replaced the offside track control arm this weekend. It felt like it had movement in the ball joint, replacing it has improved things but there is still a clunk if you rock the rack left/right. Don't know why...

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Zombie

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16/03/15;

[QUOTE=Chris155;12152642]Which is pretty much where we're up to so far. It wasn't right though. There was a problem with one of the xenon units so we had the bumper off to replace it. On putting it back together I started it up and it was belching out smoke and wouldn't rev. So I did the obvious, fix all solution. Held the throttle down to the floor...

Which sorted it, suggesting a problem with the egr valve.

My Dad had been eyeing up egr delete kits made by the Poles, this incident provided the impetus to try one;

In bits... AGAIN...

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And this is the kit;

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'Course there isn't enough clearance between the and the erg valve to slide the plate in...

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Which meant taking the egr valve off. And then faffing with helicoils because 2 of the threads that hold it on were stripped.

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But I'm pleased to report it's now running really well, only (slightly) smokes under hard acceleration. And it's getting better... You have to work hard with the gears but OMG, it's seriously quick cross county... I reckon it would stay with my GTA on a and b roads...

Only problem is, the brakes can't cope... And the mpg has gone down as it's now happy to rev past 3k. But that's really my fault, not the car.[/QUOTE]


Zombie

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27/03/15

Look what I bought...

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Picked them up today from oxford then spent the next 4 hours, (i.e. till now 9:45pm) cleaning them up...

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Zombie

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Friday 19th February 2016
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05/4/2015

Stripped the interior out today...

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Zombie

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Friday 19th February 2016
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06/04/15

Finished biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin

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11/04/15

Replaced the nearside driveshaft today with a new one, I've not been far but the vibration does seem to have gone. I hope...

Sold the old interior via ebay for £50, making the GTA interior even cheaper


Zombie

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27/05/15

Turbo whine? Um, yeah that...

It failed last thursday. Gradual decline in power coupled with a more metalic shriek from the turbo that declined into a "that really doesn't sound good" rattle. Took about 15 miles in total to go from a whine which I was accustomed to and has always been present in my ownership, to total failure.

I took it apart on Saturday (in the rain, mostly under a tarpauling hung over the open bonnet);

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It was easy enought to determine that the turbo was the problem, I just removed the inlet and outlet hoses on the compressor side and checked for endplay in the turbine shaft. Which was pretty shocking. Definately FUBAR.

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Engine with turbo and manfold removed;

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And the turbo itself...

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The turbo has a tag on it saying it's been recon'd in italy, Father says he found something else on it that showed it was done 2006. Tag is shown in this pic;

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Zombie

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Trying to find a cheap repair...

I can't get a straight answer out of anyone. I guess my options are, or were;

2nd hand turbo (£220ish) - which will probably fail sooner rather than later...

Replacement cartridge (£150) - I've been told that this will fail as it's only been balanced as a unit in itself, not on boost in it's new housing?

Replacement cartridge (£200) fitted by a "specialist" - So this would supposedly be balanced "on boost" but then there's forum chatter about Turbo Technics being the only people in the country who have the machine to balance VNT turbos?

Recon Turbo (£275) - Seems the best option, even if it is eBay sourced, but given the above, I'm having my doubts.

I think it's also worth bearing in mind that the turbo I pulled off the car is a recon unit to begin with, putting a replacement cartridge in it (again) seems a little foolish to me, although I don't have any real logical reason back this thought up.

Zombie

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29/04/15

New turbo arrived today, fitted it this afternoon.

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A new feed pipe is £75. The instructions that came with the turbo were surprisingly comprehensive and made specific reference to the pipe and the banjo saying be sure to clean them carefully. This is what came out of the pipe;

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Put it back together and it leaked oil from the oil return pipe. Fixed that with another new gasket and went for a run. Which flagged up MSCF.

Arse.

We had the laptop with us, reset the fault codes and the same fault reappeared. Think it must be incidence related. It's looking for 2bar boost but it's producing (or thinks it is) 2.5bar.

We've replaced the MAP sensor with another second hand one, but if anyone knows what it should be running as standard and with an Alfatune 175bhp map on it, I would appreciate it...

Zombie

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29/05/15

Took the VNT solenoid off and washed it out with brake cleaner / carb cleaner whilst activating it with a power supply. This lulled me into a false sense of security for a few days as I'd give it some stick and no fault code appeared.

But I'd also disconnected the battery at the same time.

I'm not sure how things are logged but I'd suspect that it takes a number of overboost conditions before a fault code is logged in the ecu but once logged it seems to take 2 instances thereafter before it lights up the MCSF.

I think disconnecting the battery resets that initial threshold but clearing the fault code doesn't.

Which may explain the forum propagated throttle reset "miracle cure" which I consider to be utter rubbish.

So, we've replaced the solenoid with a new one from the OEM. Problem is I've had an in car fault code reader/clearer running in the background for the last few days - dual carriageway roundabouts seem to provoke the code without 2 time hesitation and I was on a run round Stoke On Trent/Crewe...

Which also makes me think that the code is logged and triggered not only by the number of times it happens but the space in time in which it consistently reoccurs.

But, now on the way home after 2 days trundling to and from work, could I get the thing to trigger a code so that I could log it before replacing the solenoid as a base line? Could I ****...

Didn't reset the battery though.

If it's still broke, I won't be surprised, but if the solenoid fixes it, I'll still be utter confused.

censoreding DIESELS!!!!

Zombie

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26/05/15

I've put the 147 on 18" GT alloys but I thought I'd try them on the 156 to see what they'd look like;





I think it looked mega, but, they don't fit, they catch the rear arches.

So I put it on the 147's old tele dials...






Zombie

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26/09/15

Another eBay bargain found (and fitted) by my Dad... Bose!:big laugh:

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Zombie

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Friday 19th February 2016
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That's it so far. It's still throwing up the overboots code P0238 which I'm pretty convinced is down to sticking VNT.

I can't be arsed taking the turbo off to fix it though.


davebem

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177 months

Friday 19th February 2016
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Nice work, I love those seats!! Ive just finished refurbing my 156. I also have a 159 with this engine, did you fit that silicon lower blue hose yourself, I could do with a better one.

samj2014

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112 months

Friday 19th February 2016
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Lovely, I'm keeping my eye out for one of these at some point, got a real thing for the 156 sportwagon. How did you get yours for £200?!
Also, looks great on the teledials, best wheels for that car IMO.

NotNormal

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Friday 19th February 2016
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Zombie said:
That's it so far. It's still throwing up the overboots code P0238 which I'm pretty convinced is down to sticking VNT.

I can't be arsed taking the turbo off to fix it though.
At no point have you mentioned setting up the actuator since fitting the new turbo, have you adjusted this? If not, I expect that would explain your overboost problems.

Zombie

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davebem said:
Nice work, I love those seats!! Ive just finished refurbing my 156. I also have a 159 with this engine, did you fit that silicon lower blue hose yourself, I could do with a better one.
Thanks, silicone hoses are from Autolusso and were fitted by the previous owner.

Zombie

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samj2014 said:
Lovely, I'm keeping my eye out for one of these at some point, got a real thing for the 156 sportwagon. How did you get yours for £200?!
Also, looks great on the teledials, best wheels for that car IMO.
I think it looks better on the TI wheels it's on now, but the best were the 18" GT wheels. Shame they didn't clear the arches. (The GTA teles also scrubbed but not to the same extent).

Zombie

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NotNormal said:
At no point have you mentioned setting up the actuator since fitting the new turbo, have you adjusted this? If not, I expect that would explain your overboost problems.
IIRC, the fitting instructions were explicit in saying don't mess with the actuator. Although I am considering it. The reason I haven't is that the problem is intermittent.

I thought it was temperature related for a while, as it does seem to be worse in the colder weather, but I've reconsidered that hypothesis.

Also, I went down to London in it a few weeks ago which is a 400 mile round trip:

The roads nearest home involve a lot of repeated high/low boost situations then once on the motorways boost will have been fairly static till I got to the city centre which was late at night and a straight run in. One fault code incident was flagged & cleared.

In contrast, on the way home, not many faults on the motorway, but some, and I lost count of them after I joined the rural roads. Leaving every roundabout around Crewe flagged it up. Identical Weather and traffic conditions though.

Which, to my mind, backs up my theory of the VNT sticking. On the way down/back it gummed up on the motorway due to boost levels being fairly static. Or maybe a problem with the vacuum activation.


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Zombie

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Saturday 27th February 2016
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Had the windscreen replaced last week.

Auto gass man said the "blocks", that the base of the windscreen sits on, were missing. It wasn't properly bonded to the shell at it's base either.

New screen fitted and OMG... Yes the shell feels stiffer but the most noteworthy difference is the squeaks and rattles. They're all gone. The car feels soon much tighter.

Edited by Zombie on Monday 29th February 22:41