The sub £1k Merc S500
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Hi Steve, I'm really not trying to start a fight, I'm pretty chilled. I don't harbor any malice or bear a grudge. I'm only posting on here as I'm frustrated that I'll have to pass on the car to someone else to either fix or scrap.
As you know, I'm a Banker, not a mechanic, I can only go on what my Garage say.
All the best, Ben.
As you know, I'm a Banker, not a mechanic, I can only go on what my Garage say.
All the best, Ben.
BenjiA said:
Hi Steve, I'm really not trying to start a fight, I'm pretty chilled. I don't harbor any malice or bear a grudge. I'm only posting on here as I'm frustrated that I'll have to pass on the car to someone else to either fix or scrap.
As you know, I'm a Banker, not a mechanic, I can only go on what my Garage say.
All the best, Ben.
Hi Ben, apologies if i came across that way, certainly not what was intended. I was only putting my side forward. As you know, I'm a Banker, not a mechanic, I can only go on what my Garage say.
All the best, Ben.
I'm in the same boat as you as you know, a banker (some on this thread may think more of a word close to that though) and not a mechanic.
I can understand your frustration in light of how it has turned out, i'm quite frustrated myself truth being told.
Again, if you want to discuss it though you have my number, if you're selling it i'm not sure what i can do but if you were keeping it i'd be happy to contribute to any repairs within reason.
C70R said:
Yeah, I'm not seeing anything relevant...
From https://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/personal/selling-a-c..."This is especially true if the car has a major defect, and is unroadworthy as a result, such as if the tyres are worn out or the mirrors are broken. Selling an unroadworthy car is a criminal offence unless the buyer is fully aware of this fact, so it would be wise to make this very clear from the moment you advertise the car."
From https://www.wigan.gov.uk/Resident/Consumer-Advice/...
"It is a criminal offence for selling an unroadworthy car. If you sell one, you could be prosecuted and if found guilty may be subject to a fine of £5000 on summary conviction."
From https://www.carfused.com/guides/your-rights-and-re...
"Your rights as a private seller
As a private seller you’ll have more control, and you get to choose the price of the car. However, you need to be realistic about the value of your car if you really want to sell it. Car warranty is great to have but it’s not your obligation to provide it. On the other hand, you need to make the buyer aware of any minor or major issue related with the car. You could choose to keep information from the buyer, but that can put you in a bad situation. Being honest and thorough means you’ll have less to worry about if the buyer contacts you after they’ve bought the car.
Privately-sold cars are “sold as seen” and the buyer is responsible for carrying out checks before paying and driving away. After that your rights as a seller will have been fulfilled. Also, if someone promises to buy your car after they’ve viewed it, and you have both agreed on the price, but they change their mind later on, there’s nothing you can do about it.
If the car experiences serious faults or is no longer roadworthy after you’ve closed the deal, you don’t have to offer help, or reimburse the buyer for any money spent on repairs. Of course, if you’ve knowingly hidden serious faults, falsified documents or if you haven’t disclosed that the car is not roadworthy, the buyer will be due compensation or they can potentially seek legal action. In fact, it’s an offence to sell an unroadworthy car, unless the buyer is aware that you’re selling the vehicle for spare parts."
I got 17200 Google hits on the subject and they're just 3 from the 1st page. Can't believe you couldn't have found something.
confused_buyer said:
C70R said:
Yeah, I'm not seeing anything relevant...
From https://www.lawontheweb.co.uk/personal/selling-a-c..."This is especially true if the car has a major defect, and is unroadworthy as a result, such as if the tyres are worn out or the mirrors are broken. Selling an unroadworthy car is a criminal offence unless the buyer is fully aware of this fact, so it would be wise to make this very clear from the moment you advertise the car."
From https://www.wigan.gov.uk/Resident/Consumer-Advice/...
"It is a criminal offence for selling an unroadworthy car. If you sell one, you could be prosecuted and if found guilty may be subject to a fine of £5000 on summary conviction."
From https://www.carfused.com/guides/your-rights-and-re...
"Your rights as a private seller
As a private seller you’ll have more control, and you get to choose the price of the car. However, you need to be realistic about the value of your car if you really want to sell it. Car warranty is great to have but it’s not your obligation to provide it. On the other hand, you need to make the buyer aware of any minor or major issue related with the car. You could choose to keep information from the buyer, but that can put you in a bad situation. Being honest and thorough means you’ll have less to worry about if the buyer contacts you after they’ve bought the car.
Privately-sold cars are “sold as seen” and the buyer is responsible for carrying out checks before paying and driving away. After that your rights as a seller will have been fulfilled. Also, if someone promises to buy your car after they’ve viewed it, and you have both agreed on the price, but they change their mind later on, there’s nothing you can do about it.
If the car experiences serious faults or is no longer roadworthy after you’ve closed the deal, you don’t have to offer help, or reimburse the buyer for any money spent on repairs. Of course, if you’ve knowingly hidden serious faults, falsified documents or if you haven’t disclosed that the car is not roadworthy, the buyer will be due compensation or they can potentially seek legal action. In fact, it’s an offence to sell an unroadworthy car, unless the buyer is aware that you’re selling the vehicle for spare parts."
I got 17200 Google hits on the subject and they're just 3 from the 1st page. Can't believe you couldn't have found something.
R8Steve said:
What part of that is relevant here though?
Well, it isn't really although, technically, if you sell a car which can't pass a MOT - particularly due to a tyre - then you are probably committing an offence. It started off with me pointing out that MOTing a car prior to sale can remove a lot of potential future issues and is good for buyer and seller. Another poster appeared to question whether it is an offence to privately sell an unroadworthy car and I just referred them to links where it demonstrates that it is as they couldn't appear to find any. Chances of prosecution are low unless they total it 20 minutes later on a rainy motorway with 3 bald tyres and kill 15 people in which case a MOT might have been a cheaper option!
BenjiA said:
Nooooo.
I don't think it's that bad, especially on a £1000 v8 merc with 130k on the clock. I guess that shows my outlook on used cars, I'd be quite pleased with that test.
I wouldn't have been confident to drive it across the country in that state mind.
Edited by wjb on Thursday 26th May 14:17
confused_buyer said:
R8Steve said:
What part of that is relevant here though?
Well, it isn't really although, technically, if you sell a car which can't pass a MOT - particularly due to a tyre - then you are probably committing an offence. It started off with me pointing out that MOTing a car prior to sale can remove a lot of potential future issues and is good for buyer and seller. Another poster appeared to question whether it is an offence to privately sell an unroadworthy car and I just referred them to links where it demonstrates that it is as they couldn't appear to find any. Chances of prosecution are low unless they total it 20 minutes later on a rainy motorway with 3 bald tyres and kill 15 people in which case a MOT might have been a cheaper option!
C70R said:
The law in this area is incredibly sketchy, and not really relevant to the problem here. It only takes a defendant to say "Of course, we discussed the bald tyre when we were viewing the car. He was fully aware." to make a case fall to pieces.
Yes, it is, which is why there are few actual prosecutions (private or trade) for it. But is still illegal and applies in the same manner trade or private.(The only prosecutions which seem to happen are where Trading Standards test buy a car).
confused_buyer said:
R8Steve said:
What part of that is relevant here though?
Well, it isn't really although, technically, if you sell a car which can't pass a MOT - particularly due to a tyre - then you are probably committing an offence. It started off with me pointing out that MOTing a car prior to sale can remove a lot of potential future issues and is good for buyer and seller. Another poster appeared to question whether it is an offence to privately sell an unroadworthy car and I just referred them to links where it demonstrates that it is as they couldn't appear to find any. Chances of prosecution are low unless they total it 20 minutes later on a rainy motorway with 3 bald tyres and kill 15 people in which case a MOT might have been a cheaper option!
Anyway, with reference to the tyre here i would not have knowingly driven, nor let anyone else drive, the car with a defective tyre. That's why i asked how it was like this.
R8Steve said:
Offside cat missing. Not something i checked and i doubt anyone else would check to see if a cat was missing. I’m very surprised there was no engine management light on/fault codes present if this was the case. Also, no mention of emissions fail on the mot?
If it's the same as my old CLK 320, it has four cats; two 'pre-cats' before the o2 sensor, and two after. The rear pair on mine started to rattle, so I had them emptied and welded back up. As they were downstream of any sensor, there were no EML problems, and it was still a country mile inside the MOT emissions limits.wjb said:
BenjiA said:
Nooooo.
I don't think it's that bad, especially on a £1000 v8 merc with 130k on the clock. I guess that shows my outlook on used cars, I'd be quite pleased with that test.
I wouldn't have been confident to drive it across the country in that state mind.
Edited by wjb on Thursday 26th May 14:17
With a decent back street mechanic and some wise purchasing, the car will be in decent shape for- not a massive amount of cash. Any luxury smoker barge with very little mot should have a bork fund and I think this would be within the bracket.
Certainly not scrap material.
R8Steve said:
I would certainly not take an MOT as guarantee of condition, i've heard of plenty people that get MOT's without their car even visiting a station. In the example above the buyer could have done a rolling burnout from the sellers house all the way to the motorway for all you know.
Anyway, with reference to the tyre here i would not have knowingly driven, nor let anyone else drive, the car with a defective tyre. That's why i asked how it was like this.
That's very true. However, if you had MOT'd it let's face it you would feel more confident about it. Anyway, with reference to the tyre here i would not have knowingly driven, nor let anyone else drive, the car with a defective tyre. That's why i asked how it was like this.
If a tyre has worn on an inner edge it can be quite difficult to see without scrabbling about on the ground and even then sometimes you don't spot it until on a ramp. I have know cars look like they have excellent tyres and then have cords you'd cut our hands on on the edge.
Regarding the car in question, I would have thought somebody could weld it up and get it through. Might have a couple of more years in it yet.
Shame its so far away i'd have that in a second, £200 and a weekends fiddling and i bet a years wafting would be easily achievable for the total price of 3 or 4 tyres for a nearly new one.
Mercs of that age can and do suddenly show rust badly, they rust from inside out invisibly, then one winter they go from immaculate to scrap looks wise. Only shed if you are handy with spanners though and expect bills some months that are close to a lease payment.
Mercs of that age can and do suddenly show rust badly, they rust from inside out invisibly, then one winter they go from immaculate to scrap looks wise. Only shed if you are handy with spanners though and expect bills some months that are close to a lease payment.
jke11y said:
No "Mercedes" in the title. No wonder I couldn't find it 
silentbrown said:
jke11y said:
No "Mercedes" in the title. No wonder I couldn't find it From the Golden age of Rust of Mercedes from 99-05
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