Million mile Mondeo Pt2

[Rat_Fink_67]

nellyleelephant said:

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I hope you don't mind me asking this and I don't want to derail the thread but it is Mondeo related!

How big a job is replacing the aux belt (alternator) on the 2.5T in the MK4?

Fairly simple, whip off the O/S wheel arch liner, the alternator belt is accessible then and is on a spring loaded tensioner. The A/C one is a bit trickier as it's a "stretch belt", but still straightforward enough.

[nellyleelephant]

Thanks, it's just the aux belt that is squealing, probably makes sense to do the tensioner too!

[Glasgowrob]

nellyleelephant said:

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I hope you don't mind me asking this and I don't want to derail the thread but it is Mondeo related!

How big a job is replacing the aux belt (alternator) on the 2.5T in the MK4?

I can answer this one about an hour with a bit of swearing
don't put it off though and change the tensioner at the same time
because if the aux belt lets go it can take out the timing cover and then your in a whole world of pain

Edited by Glasgowrob on Saturday 25th March 19:35

[Rat_Fink_67]

Glasgowrob said:

I tend not to do "traditional" taxi work


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do a few like this every month. i'd probably say 85% of my mileage is motorway/fast A road

putting a few hundred miles on it tonight so watch this thread for pics on the back of an AA wagon lol

the parts availability is crazy just now, its that bad I keep a stock of all my consumables as its getting to the point its all 3 day orders now. I've got 2 sets of rear pads here so i'm better off than you are although 65k so far and still haven't changed mine (got 38k out the fronts) really enjoyed getting back in the big bus last night and I've missed her. everythings all good(had a pair of driveshafts fitted under warranty whilst she was in as well) thankfully not at my expense(priced them up at over £900 even on trade) hopefully onwards and upwards now with no more issues. still not a patch on the Old mk4.5 though, that thing had ungodly reliability and felt like it was built by engineers rather than bean counters. (set of rear suspension bushes and an alternator in 300k.

Ahh ok, there shouldn't really be a regen issue then! I agree about the mk4.5 being a better car, I think maybe barring the styling, the new model is trumped in every sense. Saying that, a late Titanium X Sport mk4.5 looks the business. I drive a mk3 though still, an ST220. Failing to subsequently launch a performance model was a massive oversight to me. Even the forthcoming ST-Line X petrol only comes as an auto! The early mk4 2.5T just didn't hit the spot where appearance is concerned, and I don't do diesel!

[nellyleelephant]

Glasgowrob said:

I can answer this one about an hour with a bit of swearing
don't put it off though and change the tensioner at the same time
because if the aux belt lets go it can take out the timing cover and then your in a whole world of pain

Edited by Glasgowrob on Saturday 25th March 19:35

I found this out a couple of weeks ago reading a thread on here, hence me changing it now!

[Glasgowrob]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

Ahh ok, there shouldn't really be a regen issue then! I agree about the mk4.5 being a better car, I think maybe barring the styling, the new model is trumped in every sense. Saying that, a late Titanium X Sport mk4.5 looks the business. I drive a mk3 though still, an ST220. Failing to subsequently launch a performance model was a massive oversight to me. Even the forthcoming ST-Line X petrol only comes as an auto! The early mk4 2.5T just didn't hit the spot where appearance is concerned, and I don't do diesel!

shh I've got an Omega mv6 tucked away for a bit of 6pot love

lucky americans get the 2.7T lump 325 bhp and 4wd. would make a good RS halo car.

just waiting on the warranty to expire on mine before unleashing a few extra bhp but still nowhere near fun that said you can switch between the 150 and 180 maps by changing a few parameters using UCDS (pcm has both maps)

[Rat_Fink_67]

Glasgowrob said:

shh I've got an Omega mv6 tucked away for a bit of 6pot love

lucky americans get the 2.7T lump 325 bhp and 4wd. would make a good RS halo car.

just waiting on the warranty to expire on mine before unleashing a few extra bhp but still nowhere near fun that said you can switch between the 150 and 180 maps by changing a few parameters using UCDS (pcm has both maps)

If they launched a version of the Fusion Sport then yeah I'd definitely be on board! Every time I go to the Ford academy in Daventry I badger for info on a new hot Mondeo, but nothing is ever confirmed. The strong rumour is a slightly detuned version of the 2.3 Focus/Mustang engine (around 300hp) and 4 wheel drive, but nothing firm.

[Jakg]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

If they launched a version of the Fusion Sport then yeah I'd definitely be on board! Every time I go to the Ford academy in Daventry I badger for info on a new hot Mondeo, but nothing is ever confirmed. The strong rumour is a slightly detuned version of the 2.3 Focus/Mustang engine (around 300hp) and 4 wheel drive, but nothing firm.

That sounds like something to go up against the Insignia VXR... when did you last see one of those on the road?

[Glasgowrob]

very true we all want one, but at 6/7 yr old at 20% of the original cost not at 35k

[Fastdruid]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

The early mk4 2.5T just didn't hit the spot where appearance is concerned

I agree. Awesome cars though, I love mine. The Mk5 is much nicer looking though and of course they didn't do a mk4.5 version.

Glasgowrob said:

lucky americans get the 2.7T lump 325 bhp and 4wd. would make a good RS halo car.

Auto only.

Glasgowrob said:

very true we all want one, but at 6/7 yr old at 20% of the original cost not at 35k

I would buy one. Hell I'd buy a V8 version if they did one for the same'ish price as the Mustang. And came as a manual.

I've had Mondeo's for the last 10 years but there isn't one that appeals. What's worse is that neither Audi or BMW even do something that appeals either as they are *all* auto. Where do you go if you want a decent quick petrol estate that *isn't* an auto?

[Sir Fergie]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

Glasgowrob said:

Ratfink any thoughts? I don't have any experience working with the DW10s
I feel your pain(ex Ford here) but even i'm struggling to be diplomatic on this one 2 weeks for a diagnosis and then finding out the Gasket their waiting on is sitting in the box for a week injectors are fine (leakdown done) my obvious thought is DPF related but coincidence or somehow pump related

I'll be honest, I work at a fairly big dealer and have seen zero problems with this latest gen PSA diesel, barring a couple of unrelated recalls. As you've mentioned, it's fitted in every model from the Focus up so it's not what you'd call scarce. The contamination is a weird one, having already ruled out the injectors it has to be either cross contamination from the pump somehow, or indeed an issue with trying to regen for the DPF. I'm wondering whether due to the stop/start nature of your job that it's been trying to regen on numerous occasions unsuccessfully and caused a sever dilution issue. There'd be faults logged for that though, plus it's possible to see how many times the regen cycle has been attempted through the PCM. We deal with a lot of Galaxy and S-max models that work as taxis though and have not seen a problem. It's also feasible that if there was a pressure differential sensor fault then it'd assume the DPF was more blocked than it actually was and try to force regens more often, but again, that would be easily identifiable from the live data.

The gasket thing was a joke, and I'd sincerely expect to get my arse kicked if I'd not even checked the box! I also agree with your frustration over parts supply, I was at work this morning and we had neither a rear wiper nor brake pads for the new Mondeo. And a set of wipers for the new S-max aren't available anywhere in our group, even from the main parts distribution centre!

I still wouldnt rule out DPF especially if the car performs well in the near future.

Needs a definite answer as on the Mazdas some of them blew up over it when rising oil levels not detected on time.

So even if not the DPF - Ford need to get to the bottom of it.

One issue here is that Robs car is probably one of the highest mileage Mk 5 Mondeos in the country. So Robs car may be the first to have a fault that MAY turn out to be a common Mk 5 Mondeo diesel issue.

I suppose the thing is - if it's not the DPF - then what is it.

And can Ford explain why a faulty fuel pump could cause it.

[Glasgowrob]

well another shift under her belt last night no issues reported,

apart from drawing the attention of a big battenburgy X5 on the M8 whilst "making progress"
quick chat about appropriate speeds and sent on my way thankfully. got a funny feeling at least one of the officers are on here (hello)

[MJK 24]

Did they give any indication as to what 'appropriate speeds' are?!

[Glasgowrob]

Slightly less than many leptons. I was running late and the Mondeo was feeling frisky..

Thankfully they came at Livingston and not heartlands is all I'll say on a completely unrelated topic the Mondeo certainly seems to pull. Wetter than ever further up the rev range and overall fuel economy seems up slightly although it may just be a placebo effect. Tank to tank measurements will soon give me an indication ok that

[bearman68]

Just wondering if the fuel is/was coming through the fuel pump into the engine? Is the pump driven by the cam shaft? It might just be possible.
In my head I'm trying to reconcile the fuel in the engine, and Ford changing the pump. Clearly changing the pump seems to have solved the issue, but what was the problem, and why did Ford think the pump was toast.
Furthermore, was it really Colonel Mustard, in the library, with the candlestick?

[Glasgowrob]

Getting any real informtion on the diagnostic process other than some rudimentary basics has been challenging. But we've managed 2 full shifts together so far and other than a pleasant chat with some surprisingly friendly chaos from police Scotland everything's been plain sailing

[Snowdrop_]

How are you getting on Rob?

[layercake]

any updates? have you put a match to the new mondeo yet ?

[Glasgowrob]

so far so good, apart from my own mechanic getting his hands on it after Ford and drainig 8 litres of oil out the engine


she turned a year old this week and ticked over 70k so all going well it seems.

[Jonmx]

Glasgowrob said:

so far so good, apart from my own mechanic getting his hands on it after Ford and draining 8 litres of oil out the engine


she turned a year old this week and ticked over 70k so all going well it seems.

My 51 plate Mondeo just ticked over 66k...
Very much enjoyed your threads, proof that cars will do big miles if treated sensibly with regular maintenance. That said, I do feel a little odd having such low mileage on a car, my Volvo that preceded this was on 197k when I sold it.
I'm currently trying to persuade my mother that a new Mondeo is a good option to replace her aging PT Cruiser but she still has a hang up about Fords since she and my father had a Mk2 Escort back when Queen Victoria was still on the throne.