Shedding properly, 2004 Passat Estate 1.9 TDI
Discussion
New toy came today, a compressed air driven oil extractor.
This one, although only last week I paid £109 for it, £115 now!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360375849221?_trksid=p20...
I've had a Pela 6000 manual oil extractor since 2004 which has served me well. One thing that annoyed me somewhat was the constant pump pump pumping you'd have to do but despite that it is, was and still is by a considerable margin much quicker and easier than doing a gravity oil change.
Not satisfued with already how easy it was I wanted even easier so I treated myself to a new one.
The Wife got home, I went out and did the business...
Out of the box
As it is a manual and compressed air driven machine, this bit is for connecting the manual pump to it. I have no itnention of ever connecting it.
Air line spiggots, mine on the left, the one suplied on the right, glad I had a spare.
Ready to go
I have no idea what this hooped metal insert is for
Came with a brake bleeder adaptor as well, which is nice.
Down into the MK4 Golfs sump via the dipstick 'ole.
It and me working hard, in fact the compressor is doing all the work
Old, filthy but still perfectly useable Pela 600 in the back ground
How do you know when you have hit the bottom? By putting a bit of tape on the tube just a bit deeper than the dipstick is long! I am a rocket scientist.
Swapped the 'o' rings over on the filter housing and popped a new filter on.
Cleaned out filter housing, another 130cc or of oil comes out of the oil cooler at the bottom which wouldn't if you were doing a gravity drain. On these 1.9 PD TDI engines you will always get more oil out with an extractor than not.
4.4 litres of oil taken out in less than five minutes. I've got a quite beefy (for a DIY'er) 3hp compressor and it coped fine.
Need to do a change on the Passat in the next few days also.
This one, although only last week I paid £109 for it, £115 now!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360375849221?_trksid=p20...
I've had a Pela 6000 manual oil extractor since 2004 which has served me well. One thing that annoyed me somewhat was the constant pump pump pumping you'd have to do but despite that it is, was and still is by a considerable margin much quicker and easier than doing a gravity oil change.
Not satisfued with already how easy it was I wanted even easier so I treated myself to a new one.
The Wife got home, I went out and did the business...
Out of the box
As it is a manual and compressed air driven machine, this bit is for connecting the manual pump to it. I have no itnention of ever connecting it.
Air line spiggots, mine on the left, the one suplied on the right, glad I had a spare.
Ready to go
I have no idea what this hooped metal insert is for
Came with a brake bleeder adaptor as well, which is nice.
Down into the MK4 Golfs sump via the dipstick 'ole.
It and me working hard, in fact the compressor is doing all the work
Old, filthy but still perfectly useable Pela 600 in the back ground
How do you know when you have hit the bottom? By putting a bit of tape on the tube just a bit deeper than the dipstick is long! I am a rocket scientist.
Swapped the 'o' rings over on the filter housing and popped a new filter on.
Cleaned out filter housing, another 130cc or of oil comes out of the oil cooler at the bottom which wouldn't if you were doing a gravity drain. On these 1.9 PD TDI engines you will always get more oil out with an extractor than not.
4.4 litres of oil taken out in less than five minutes. I've got a quite beefy (for a DIY'er) 3hp compressor and it coped fine.
Need to do a change on the Passat in the next few days also.
layercake said:
You sir are a legand. .ive spend the last two days catching up reading your thread. You would put edd china to shame !
Lovely barge an and top fiddling I want one too ..
Thanks for that.Lovely barge an and top fiddling I want one too ..
Glowplugs are next on the list, means taking the stupid fuel filter bracket off to access Nr.4
Alhough the car started well, I thought it was about time to change the glowplugs. The car easily started but ran just a little bit lumpy for five to ten seconds and chucked out a bit of white smoke from a cold start.
So, after extensive research as to what plugs I needed I order some and they turned up today, some Beru GN046's...
Nothing to do at all about glowplugs but I thought I'd take this picture
This is what arrived today. Rather than oom and arh for the rest of the week I thought that there is no time like the present, I have a lit garage and decided to crack on.
You obviously have to go through the well worn process of whipping the engine cover off. Below are my bits of pipe lagging I now use since the OE foam bit that surrounds the rocker cover turned to dust about three years ago. They work very well.
The next few shots are a bit out of sequence as I started at Number One plug which I wanted to do without the distraction of taking pictures.
Old and new plugs side by side, spot the difference, more on that later.
I used some needle nosed pliers to pull the plug leads off. I used a 2.5" long deep 10mm socket and a "wobble" extenion bar, all 3/8's drive. Numbers 1, 2 & 3 easy peasy. Very light pressure to undo and they all came out and went back in without any issues at all. Below, me removing Nr.2 plug.
Number 4 is slightly more fun. As some will know, the conventional wisdom is that the fuel filter bracket is supposed to have to come off to access it. Not so, I simply moved the fuel filter out the way and was able to easily get on the plug with the "wobble" head extension bar.
On Nr.4
Slightly closer shot on Nr.4
Closer still of Nr.4
All done.
The old plugs with the soot wiped off the tips, they look quite good but looks can be deceptive. I did a quick check with my old meter (no lead correction) and got the following;
1, open circuit = knackered
2, 2.27 k
3, open circuit = knackered
4, 7.63 k
So well worth doing the change.
More the plugs themselves.
After extensive research the conclusion was that the car needed Beru GN046's or Bosch ending with 2023.
Imagine my surprise when pulling the old ones out so see Bosch items but OE as they had the VW logo on them. The information on the old plugs is as follows;
Bosch
0 250 202046 11v
FRANCE 391 (955)
(VW logo) N10579201 (RB3)
Having done a bit of cross checking these are the same as the Bosch 0250202023's and Beru GN046's with the N10579201 being the VW EO part number. Phew !
Thing is though, the taper looks a bit different, I hope things are not going to bugger up !
So, after extensive research as to what plugs I needed I order some and they turned up today, some Beru GN046's...
Nothing to do at all about glowplugs but I thought I'd take this picture
This is what arrived today. Rather than oom and arh for the rest of the week I thought that there is no time like the present, I have a lit garage and decided to crack on.
You obviously have to go through the well worn process of whipping the engine cover off. Below are my bits of pipe lagging I now use since the OE foam bit that surrounds the rocker cover turned to dust about three years ago. They work very well.
The next few shots are a bit out of sequence as I started at Number One plug which I wanted to do without the distraction of taking pictures.
Old and new plugs side by side, spot the difference, more on that later.
I used some needle nosed pliers to pull the plug leads off. I used a 2.5" long deep 10mm socket and a "wobble" extenion bar, all 3/8's drive. Numbers 1, 2 & 3 easy peasy. Very light pressure to undo and they all came out and went back in without any issues at all. Below, me removing Nr.2 plug.
Number 4 is slightly more fun. As some will know, the conventional wisdom is that the fuel filter bracket is supposed to have to come off to access it. Not so, I simply moved the fuel filter out the way and was able to easily get on the plug with the "wobble" head extension bar.
On Nr.4
Slightly closer shot on Nr.4
Closer still of Nr.4
All done.
The old plugs with the soot wiped off the tips, they look quite good but looks can be deceptive. I did a quick check with my old meter (no lead correction) and got the following;
1, open circuit = knackered
2, 2.27 k
3, open circuit = knackered
4, 7.63 k
So well worth doing the change.
More the plugs themselves.
After extensive research the conclusion was that the car needed Beru GN046's or Bosch ending with 2023.
Imagine my surprise when pulling the old ones out so see Bosch items but OE as they had the VW logo on them. The information on the old plugs is as follows;
Bosch
0 250 202046 11v
FRANCE 391 (955)
(VW logo) N10579201 (RB3)
Having done a bit of cross checking these are the same as the Bosch 0250202023's and Beru GN046's with the N10579201 being the VW EO part number. Phew !
Thing is though, the taper looks a bit different, I hope things are not going to bugger up !
Edited by colin_p on Monday 23 January 22:38
Glowplugs and the virtues and having good ones that actually work and do their job;
Before;
Glowplug light on, went out after a few seconds, nothing untoward.
One or two seconds of cranking then it'd catch and start.
A reasonable plume of white smoke out the back for about 10 seconds, this was unburnt diesel.
For those ten seconds it ran lumpy, obviously as it was missing on two cylinders.
After those ten seconds the car seemed to clear its throat but there would still be a bit of smoke out the back.
This morning;
Glowplug light behaviour exactly the same.
Started almost instantly.
Only the faintest little puff of white smoke.
No lumpyness at all in the running.
Much quieter engine.
I'm very pleased with the results and should have done this a while back.
I've been reading up on the glowplug function as well for these old 1.9 8v PD TDI's and what the glowplugs do is;
Preheat (as you would expect).
Afterglow for about four minutes or until the engine revs exceed 2,500. This happens each and every time the engine is started regardless. This is what makes the engine quieter and smoother at a cold start.
The glowplug system is 'dumb' i.e. the ecu will tell them to do what needs doing but there is no monitoring back to the ECU if something is wrong.
My advice is that if there is any doubt, you get anything more than a puff of white smoke, the engine is lumpy, then change the glowplugs, on any diesel engine.
Before;
Glowplug light on, went out after a few seconds, nothing untoward.
One or two seconds of cranking then it'd catch and start.
A reasonable plume of white smoke out the back for about 10 seconds, this was unburnt diesel.
For those ten seconds it ran lumpy, obviously as it was missing on two cylinders.
After those ten seconds the car seemed to clear its throat but there would still be a bit of smoke out the back.
This morning;
Glowplug light behaviour exactly the same.
Started almost instantly.
Only the faintest little puff of white smoke.
No lumpyness at all in the running.
Much quieter engine.
I'm very pleased with the results and should have done this a while back.
I've been reading up on the glowplug function as well for these old 1.9 8v PD TDI's and what the glowplugs do is;
Preheat (as you would expect).
Afterglow for about four minutes or until the engine revs exceed 2,500. This happens each and every time the engine is started regardless. This is what makes the engine quieter and smoother at a cold start.
The glowplug system is 'dumb' i.e. the ecu will tell them to do what needs doing but there is no monitoring back to the ECU if something is wrong.
My advice is that if there is any doubt, you get anything more than a puff of white smoke, the engine is lumpy, then change the glowplugs, on any diesel engine.
rfsteel said:
Out of interest, how much are the glow plugs ?
My 130 has become harder to start, and also have a plume of white smoke at start up, so think my plugs are on the way out at 195k.
Just checked ECP, and they list 5 different glow plugs for my reg, any ideas which specific ones you have ?My 130 has become harder to start, and also have a plume of white smoke at start up, so think my plugs are on the way out at 195k.
Also looks like bosch parts are cheaper than beru.
That was the problem I had with ECP, there are no part numbers despite them listing five different plugs. I did phone them and got their item number, did a click and collect but got a message saying that they (the Beru's) were not in stock. I didn't bother going back to them for Bosch plugs with the same potential hassle.
I got these...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SET-of-4-BERU-OEM-Glow-P...
£13 per plug so not much dearer and you know you are getting an OE quality item. As I've said there are two qualities of Bosch item, those made in France, the others in China, I didn't want the risk.
On the Passat it seems there are two types of plug <2002 and >2002, the GN046 Berus are for >2002. It might be worth giving Murrays a call and give them your reg number.
And...
Are you RFSteel formally of UKMKIV's ?
I got these...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SET-of-4-BERU-OEM-Glow-P...
£13 per plug so not much dearer and you know you are getting an OE quality item. As I've said there are two qualities of Bosch item, those made in France, the others in China, I didn't want the risk.
On the Passat it seems there are two types of plug <2002 and >2002, the GN046 Berus are for >2002. It might be worth giving Murrays a call and give them your reg number.
And...
Are you RFSteel formally of UKMKIV's ?
The MOT is looming up, winter is all but over so it is time to get things spick and span.
I like to give the car a really good clean prior to the MOT and also wash off any salt and crud I can from underneath.
But first a little job on some new center caps for the summer wheels, which are due to go back on very soon.
Ols set of caps, new ones on the right. The old ones are only a year old and are suffering from the tin worm already.
Not good how the tin worm has set in regardless of these not being gnuine items, I did wax them throughout the year.
Nice new GENUINE VW items
A quick panel wipe to clean off any grease
I then rumaged around and found this can of clear laquer, just enough in there for two coats to the caps.
A pointless photo of the 1st coat drying, you cannot tell from the pic !
While the 1st coat was drying I got my "car coat"
Not the best pic but this was the state of the underbelly and one years worth of crud.
And then cleaned. Washed all the salty crud off with some TFR and a brush. It always comes up like new.
I do love the cheapy winter tyres. The steelies are going to need a bit of paint this year though and I will need a new set of winters for the front, they are worn out to the point where they would be no use in the snow, not that it ever snows here!
Wheelarch salty crud, to be cleaned off in a forthcoming episode
Another pointless photo of the nes caps in their 2nd coat of laquer, not that you can tell from the photo.
I like to give the car a really good clean prior to the MOT and also wash off any salt and crud I can from underneath.
But first a little job on some new center caps for the summer wheels, which are due to go back on very soon.
Ols set of caps, new ones on the right. The old ones are only a year old and are suffering from the tin worm already.
Not good how the tin worm has set in regardless of these not being gnuine items, I did wax them throughout the year.
Nice new GENUINE VW items
A quick panel wipe to clean off any grease
I then rumaged around and found this can of clear laquer, just enough in there for two coats to the caps.
A pointless photo of the 1st coat drying, you cannot tell from the pic !
While the 1st coat was drying I got my "car coat"
Not the best pic but this was the state of the underbelly and one years worth of crud.
And then cleaned. Washed all the salty crud off with some TFR and a brush. It always comes up like new.
I do love the cheapy winter tyres. The steelies are going to need a bit of paint this year though and I will need a new set of winters for the front, they are worn out to the point where they would be no use in the snow, not that it ever snows here!
Wheelarch salty crud, to be cleaned off in a forthcoming episode
Another pointless photo of the nes caps in their 2nd coat of laquer, not that you can tell from the photo.
Thanks JJ
More MOT prep and this is mainly for the OCD of it !
Only for the OCD among you.
Summer wheels layed out ready to fit
Center caps in
Cleaned the wheel nut covers
Goodbye to the winters until next winter
I only cleaned under here the other day
So I had to clean it again
Brakes were looking a bit scabby
So a quick lick of paint, a very quick blat only on the outwardly visible bits
Back one with the paint still wet, that'll dry down to a nice satin finish
Summers all on
More MOT prep and this is mainly for the OCD of it !
Only for the OCD among you.
Summer wheels layed out ready to fit
Center caps in
Cleaned the wheel nut covers
Goodbye to the winters until next winter
I only cleaned under here the other day
So I had to clean it again
Brakes were looking a bit scabby
So a quick lick of paint, a very quick blat only on the outwardly visible bits
Back one with the paint still wet, that'll dry down to a nice satin finish
Summers all on
it is in desperate need of a wash and a polish too. MOT due this month. Service (belt and water pump) next month will give me an excuse!After a four month hiatus, I decided to pick the figurative spanners back up. I'm still medically banned from driving and will be until the end of October. This medical ban was as a result of suffering two further cardiac arrests back in late April, which thankfully my defib shocked and saved me. Anyway, enough of the doom and gloom....
The picking up of the spanners at this point in time has been ordering a pair of pre-painted front wings for the Wifes Golf. Quite a lot of cash to lavish on such an old car but it will make it whole again.
The wings suffer from inside out corrosion which is caused by a rubber / foam vibration damper, sound proofer which is glued to the inner side of the wings. I call them 'poofer blocks'. What happens is that the poofer block acts like a giant water trap and the rot sets in. The is an incredibly common problem on all VW / Audi cars of a certain age.
Getting lazy in my older age I ordered a pre-painted pair whereas in the past I would have done the pant myself. This time, I simply couldn't be bothered.
Anyway and as always, pictures...
Unwrapping was like Christmas and Birthday rolled into one.
Very pleased with the finish, just hope they fit properly.
The picking up of the spanners at this point in time has been ordering a pair of pre-painted front wings for the Wifes Golf. Quite a lot of cash to lavish on such an old car but it will make it whole again.
The wings suffer from inside out corrosion which is caused by a rubber / foam vibration damper, sound proofer which is glued to the inner side of the wings. I call them 'poofer blocks'. What happens is that the poofer block acts like a giant water trap and the rot sets in. The is an incredibly common problem on all VW / Audi cars of a certain age.
Getting lazy in my older age I ordered a pre-painted pair whereas in the past I would have done the pant myself. This time, I simply couldn't be bothered.
Anyway and as always, pictures...
Unwrapping was like Christmas and Birthday rolled into one.
Very pleased with the finish, just hope they fit properly.
Wow, Colin - pleased you're still with us. Best wishes for your continuing recovery!
Things like these "poofer blocks" as you called them now seem to be the problem areas on modern cars. Like you, I try, probably not as well as you do, to clean the underside of the cars we have, but you know crud's stuck somewhere and will be its undoing at a later stage.
Things like these "poofer blocks" as you called them now seem to be the problem areas on modern cars. Like you, I try, probably not as well as you do, to clean the underside of the cars we have, but you know crud's stuck somewhere and will be its undoing at a later stage.
Keep on shedding 
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