1992 Peugeot 106 XSi - Strip, Respray, Rebuild OEM+
Discussion
GuinnessMK said:
Any chance you could send me a link to the supplier?
Might be interested!
I am guessing it is probably a copy of the Group N map.
Starting to think I need to get moving on the build so may just have this head skimmed (maybe 0.25mm) and refreshed and get the car built up with all the parts I've bought and got already (plus a new rear beam).
At least then the car would be running nicely. Then I can maybe do a full engine build with the BP285, gearbox refresh with the Quaife, and full paint after... At least then the car is on the road and in good shape.
I'd like to do the lot in one go but I am not finding the time to get it all done in one hit and really want to drive it. Will mull it over!
I'm also struggling to find a driver's seat, which means it won't feel 'perfect' until I find that! We'll see - Got a new contract at work so the funds are there; just need time and patience.
Thanks. Looks like they have one for a 1.6 engine too!
Do they come with fitting instructions?
With regard to your car, I'd get it up and running. That's my aim, not hoping for concours, just stopping it getting any worse, getting an MOT and back on the road.
Then in 5 - 10 years I might be in a position to pay a pro to do a bare shell resto.
Do they come with fitting instructions?
With regard to your car, I'd get it up and running. That's my aim, not hoping for concours, just stopping it getting any worse, getting an MOT and back on the road.
Then in 5 - 10 years I might be in a position to pay a pro to do a bare shell resto.
GuinnessMK said:
Thanks. Looks like they have one for a 1.6 engine too!
Do they come with fitting instructions?
With regard to your car, I'd get it up and running. That's my aim, not hoping for concours, just stopping it getting any worse, getting an MOT and back on the road.
Then in 5 - 10 years I might be in a position to pay a pro to do a bare shell resto.
I'm not sure about fitting instructions but there are loads on Google; seems pretty simple (open ECU case, pull old chip out, put new chip in, bolt ECU case back together... Disconnect the power, obviously).Do they come with fitting instructions?
With regard to your car, I'd get it up and running. That's my aim, not hoping for concours, just stopping it getting any worse, getting an MOT and back on the road.
Then in 5 - 10 years I might be in a position to pay a pro to do a bare shell resto.
It'll work or it won't work but it's worth a go for £25 as I can't seem to find someone local who'll live map my engine, so not much point dropping in the cam with a heavy skim if I can't get it to run right and perhaps not get it through an MOT.
Expecting lots more stuff delivered today, so hopefully some more updates to come over the weekend!
I'm pretty set on bolting everything I have at the moment on, having the head skimmed and rebuilt and then running the car as-is. Then pull the engine and 'box for rebuilds and get the shell sprayed at the same time, once I've tracked down a good interior, found a mapper and got someone to give me a quote and schedule for the work!
Go steady with the Eprom. I did the same thing on my BX 16v, and convinced myself it was great. Moved the rev limiter to about 7600rpm, from 7200rpm too.
Many years later, we fitted a dyno at work, and I popped it on to see what's what. Peak power was at 6700rpm (way off the raised limiter), and at WOT at 3000-3500rpm it was running 18.7AFR! It had been on there years, I'm lucky I didn't melt a valve! I stopped going much above 7000rpm after this too, as I realised that unless I was going uphill, there was little point.
Needless to say, I removed the chip, put it back on the dyno, gained 5lbft torque and found peak power at the same 6700rpm. AFR at WOT in the mid-range richened up to 12.5, and the pinking that used to be produced by running anything other than V-Power disappeared. Kick myself to this day I didn't put two and two together.
Many years later, we fitted a dyno at work, and I popped it on to see what's what. Peak power was at 6700rpm (way off the raised limiter), and at WOT at 3000-3500rpm it was running 18.7AFR! It had been on there years, I'm lucky I didn't melt a valve! I stopped going much above 7000rpm after this too, as I realised that unless I was going uphill, there was little point.
Needless to say, I removed the chip, put it back on the dyno, gained 5lbft torque and found peak power at the same 6700rpm. AFR at WOT in the mid-range richened up to 12.5, and the pinking that used to be produced by running anything other than V-Power disappeared. Kick myself to this day I didn't put two and two together.
I'll get the car over to SRR and ask Vixpy to run it up with both chips.
Will make for a nice, back-to-back comparison.
I believe this is a copy of the Group N chip so is pretty much 'just' more fuel and a raised rev limit. I don't think it's one that has been fiddled with and programmed by some guy in a shed.
However, we'll see and if the lambda is way out; I'll swap back to standard.
Ultimately though, it'll have a bespoke map to suit the final engine spec.
Will make for a nice, back-to-back comparison.
I believe this is a copy of the Group N chip so is pretty much 'just' more fuel and a raised rev limit. I don't think it's one that has been fiddled with and programmed by some guy in a shed.
However, we'll see and if the lambda is way out; I'll swap back to standard.
Ultimately though, it'll have a bespoke map to suit the final engine spec.
The cam cover is now home and looks great - Will set the engine off nicely.
I am waiting on new brake discs, wishbones, top mounts, drop links, Group N exhaust and some other bits and pieces... Then the rebuild will begin.
The plan is evolving, as with all these things, but I now think that the Clio V6 will come out of the garage for a couple of weeks, swapping with the 106, while I do the front-to-back suspension and brake refresh and then I may pull the engine and gearbox, sending them for rebuild, while sending the rolling shell for a full glass/ seal/ light out respray.
So, hopefully there will be some more interesting pictures up in the coming weeks!
The major things I am missing are good condition front seats. Mine have rips and tears and have seen better days. I thought I may have tracked down a pair but the seller has gone quiet, sadly.
So, IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A GOOD XSI INTERIOR FOR SALE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!
I am also tempted to pick up a second cylinder head (again, they don't seem easy to find and go quickly). I am thinking I may have the engine refreshed with a light-ish skim and run that on standard management and then have a heavy skim and BP285 installed on the 'new' head and swap them over if/ when I can find someone who can map/ chip the ECU.
I have just sold a watch so all budget expenditure has Mrs9 approval, so far!
I am waiting on new brake discs, wishbones, top mounts, drop links, Group N exhaust and some other bits and pieces... Then the rebuild will begin.
The plan is evolving, as with all these things, but I now think that the Clio V6 will come out of the garage for a couple of weeks, swapping with the 106, while I do the front-to-back suspension and brake refresh and then I may pull the engine and gearbox, sending them for rebuild, while sending the rolling shell for a full glass/ seal/ light out respray.
So, hopefully there will be some more interesting pictures up in the coming weeks!
The major things I am missing are good condition front seats. Mine have rips and tears and have seen better days. I thought I may have tracked down a pair but the seller has gone quiet, sadly.
So, IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A GOOD XSI INTERIOR FOR SALE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!
I am also tempted to pick up a second cylinder head (again, they don't seem easy to find and go quickly). I am thinking I may have the engine refreshed with a light-ish skim and run that on standard management and then have a heavy skim and BP285 installed on the 'new' head and swap them over if/ when I can find someone who can map/ chip the ECU.
I have just sold a watch so all budget expenditure has Mrs9 approval, so far!
Hammondo said:
Much jealousy! Looking to get hold of one of these to relive my youth but they are hens teeth. Will follow this through envious eyes!
Thanks mate - need to get on with it! There was a white one with low miles for sale on PH, not long back. I was tempted by it as it would be an awful lot cheaper than this project is turning out to be!darren9 said:
Isn't that ram air filter for the gti? Will it fit the ph1? I seem to remember seeing them on the gti's.
It should fit (may require some trimming) all 106s and has been used on a load of S1s. I'll see how it goes. I really just wanted 'something' that I could start with to get the breather pipes worked out etc. Maybe it'll end up with something completely different in the end but this can be made to work for now.I looked for ages for one and there were none about for months.
I think most have been crashed, rotted away or barried to death.
However, in the last few weeks, more have been cropping up.
Set yourself up a watch for "106 XSI" on ebay and see what happens.
I'll give you a shout if I see one!
I think most have been crashed, rotted away or barried to death.
However, in the last few weeks, more have been cropping up.
Set yourself up a watch for "106 XSI" on ebay and see what happens.
I'll give you a shout if I see one!
Hammondo said:
I had a classic Mini that I just sold. Typically when I had no space or cash there were XSi's, Rallyes and GTi's about. Now I have an empty garage and a brown envelope of cash, there's sod all!
Edited by Hammondo on Thursday 28th April 11:00
xu5 said:
I love the sound of this. Had several sporting and non sporting 106's. Although the gti was great I always preferred the handling and feel of the S1 rallye. Just felt a bit more "alert", like the xsi I guess (never had the xsi).
I'm hoping it will be a very direct, little thing - should buzz around like an angry wasp!CarlosV8 said:
Have you considered aftermarket engine management? Not sure how "smart" the standard ECU is but surely a properly mapped setup will make the most of the mods you have planned? I guess cost may be the limiting factor?
Simple answer is 'yes', I have considered it but it really isn't cheap and may not be worthwhile for a road project, where I am not really chasing every last bhp or stressing the engine. The standard management should be able to cope with keeping the AFR in check and not pinking and that should be 'enough'. New management would still then need to be mapped by someone handy. I can see it being over £1k, finished and you might as well the go for TBs etc.However, if the rolling road shows lambda way out of whack on the rebuilt engine, I may well consider building a Microsquirt or something like that as my next project. I am really not an electronics man though - I like the mechanical aspects.
I could just trailer it to Wayne Schofield though as he apparently can do a personalised map on a rolling road.
New top mounts, bearings and the EPROM are here!
Looks like it's time to get the front suspension apart and get the new bits on so I can bin all the cardboard boxes and make some room in the garage!
Dampers, discs, springs, wishbones etc are taking up the lot of room! Might as well get the two wheels I've painted on the front too!
Let's see if the rain holds off this weekend!
Looks like it's time to get the front suspension apart and get the new bits on so I can bin all the cardboard boxes and make some room in the garage!
Dampers, discs, springs, wishbones etc are taking up the lot of room! Might as well get the two wheels I've painted on the front too!
Let's see if the rain holds off this weekend!
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