1992 Peugeot 106 XSi - Strip, Respray, Rebuild OEM+
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Busy day looking at houses with Mrs9 yesterday and woke up with a raging hangover this morning after a birthday party last night but still managed to get the last two wheels painted!
Hopefully the good weather stays tomorrow and I'll see if I can get the tyres fitted and then I'll get the car jacked up, wheels off and will have a look at the front suspension!
No point putting the new wheels on if I don't get the new wishbones, shocks, springs, top mounts etc on!
The chip arrived as well:
Also picked up some new ignition leads, so I think I have pretty much everything I wanted now, except perhaps brake pads!
Hopefully the good weather stays tomorrow and I'll see if I can get the tyres fitted and then I'll get the car jacked up, wheels off and will have a look at the front suspension!
No point putting the new wheels on if I don't get the new wishbones, shocks, springs, top mounts etc on!
The chip arrived as well:
Also picked up some new ignition leads, so I think I have pretty much everything I wanted now, except perhaps brake pads!
Hi Thomas - progress has slowed between house hunting and heading back off to India for work...
Mrs9 is away next weekend, which may give me some time but the weather is turning again and I'll have the pup to look after.
Got to do something though as it just looks like I'm stockpiling parts!
Mrs9 is away next weekend, which may give me some time but the weather is turning again and I'll have the pup to look after.
Got to do something though as it just looks like I'm stockpiling parts!
Sorry guys - been a while since I updated this. Took some time off the cars while I sorted some stuff at work.
Clio V6 is now out of the garage and the little Pug is in.
A rebuilt, PTS XSi engine was delivered yesterday and has apparently only done a few hundred miles since rebuild. It put out 122bhp on a dyno running an Emerald (I think) ECU and a Rallye inlet and it is meant to blueprinted.
We'll see about all that but it gives me the opportunity to pull the old engine out and build that to my spec, while this is on the road.
Will get the PTS engine dressed and painted up, ready to drop in and will try and do a bit every night and weekend, from now on, until it's done. So, hopefully lots more pictures to come over the next few weeks!
Also found and paid for a better interior but need to find the time to go and pick that up! I haven't even got the tyres fitted to the wheels yet!
One odd thing was the charger/ conditioner that's been on the V6 all year doesn't seem to like the battery in the XSi and kept tripping... Odd! It was a brand new battery a few weeks back and the charger was on it before.
Clio V6 is now out of the garage and the little Pug is in.
A rebuilt, PTS XSi engine was delivered yesterday and has apparently only done a few hundred miles since rebuild. It put out 122bhp on a dyno running an Emerald (I think) ECU and a Rallye inlet and it is meant to blueprinted.
We'll see about all that but it gives me the opportunity to pull the old engine out and build that to my spec, while this is on the road.
Will get the PTS engine dressed and painted up, ready to drop in and will try and do a bit every night and weekend, from now on, until it's done. So, hopefully lots more pictures to come over the next few weeks!
Also found and paid for a better interior but need to find the time to go and pick that up! I haven't even got the tyres fitted to the wheels yet!
One odd thing was the charger/ conditioner that's been on the V6 all year doesn't seem to like the battery in the XSi and kept tripping... Odd! It was a brand new battery a few weeks back and the charger was on it before.
Ok, well, this didn't go to plan!
I was away most of August and have had a work trip or two to India, in the meantime!
The battery recovered nicely on the conditioner so it has come time to strip down the 'new' PTS engine.
Here are some pics of the unwrapping and getting on the stand (on my own - groan):
So, that's my progress for now... Need to get the sponges out next and pull the head off.
One rather obvious potential issue is that the engine is NOT an XSi iron block!
The casting number seems to indicate it is an aluminium 206/Xsara 1.4 engine... Hmmmm...
The head seems to have the Rallye casting number though, so it could just be XSi internals in an alloy block.
That wouldn't be a bad thing at all but this does have a different alternator set up etc.
Will get this engine built up, get the old engine out and compare them, see what needs swapping over (or can be) and check I have all right sensors/sensor holes!
Not what I was expecting (thought I'd bought) but if it has the right pistons then I've just saved 15kg or something, which is nice
I was away most of August and have had a work trip or two to India, in the meantime!
The battery recovered nicely on the conditioner so it has come time to strip down the 'new' PTS engine.
Here are some pics of the unwrapping and getting on the stand (on my own - groan):
So, that's my progress for now... Need to get the sponges out next and pull the head off.
One rather obvious potential issue is that the engine is NOT an XSi iron block!
The casting number seems to indicate it is an aluminium 206/Xsara 1.4 engine... Hmmmm...
The head seems to have the Rallye casting number though, so it could just be XSi internals in an alloy block.
That wouldn't be a bad thing at all but this does have a different alternator set up etc.
Will get this engine built up, get the old engine out and compare them, see what needs swapping over (or can be) and check I have all right sensors/sensor holes!
Not what I was expecting (thought I'd bought) but if it has the right pistons then I've just saved 15kg or something, which is nice
Edited by dom9 on Tuesday 13th September 13:17
Go easy with the alloy. The reason they used iron in the XSi/AX GTi blocks was because of the increased compression, and because they were planning to do a 1600 version of it. I'm not sure which of those two was paramount, but the XSi does use higher comp pistons than the regular alloy block TU3.
Hope it works out for you, as the alloy block would obviously be nicer to have because of the weight savings. Some of the alloy blocks had a different PCD for the bellhousing though, so make sure it is a later engine (206, Xsara etc) as it might not fit your gearbox otherwise, and you'd have to go scouring the land for an AX GT one.
Hope it works out for you, as the alloy block would obviously be nicer to have because of the weight savings. Some of the alloy blocks had a different PCD for the bellhousing though, so make sure it is a later engine (206, Xsara etc) as it might not fit your gearbox otherwise, and you'd have to go scouring the land for an AX GT one.
Kitchski said:
...Some of the alloy blocks had a different PCD for the bellhousing though, so make sure it is a later engine (206, Xsara etc) as it might not fit your gearbox otherwise, and you'd have to go scouring the land for an AX GT one.
Gulp!The number seems to indicate that it is the 206/Xsara block... Only one way to find out (unless you have some dimensions?)!
Will get the head off this one, have a look at what pistons are there and get the new HG fitted, water pump etc and get it all timed up so at least it's good to go in or be sold on.
Once the iron block engine is out, that will be rebuilt anyway. So this engine is more of a stop-gap but the weight saving will be nice... If it all plumbs/wires/fits up as expected.
May start with the XSi inlet/injection (despite now having two Rallye inlet manifolds) so it's one less thing to be modifying while I debug this install.
More progress tomorrow... Hopefully some easy gains this week, digging the wheels back out and getting the tires fitted. I really need to tidy up the garage and give myself some more space to work in!
Kev_Mk3 said:
fantastic read
Thank you Stay tuned as hopefully the rate of progress picks up now!
Block clean, head off, new gasket, plugs, water pump, cam cover (also red), maybe some paint etc then seal it all back up and tuck it away at the back of the garage.
Can then start pulling the front off the actual car on Thursday!
Radiator off, engine and box out and fit all new front suspension and brakes!
Not much then
Lots more info regarding the gearbox PCD on the 205 driver's forum. I *could* be mistaken, it's ages since I planned to do all this kind of stuff, but pretty sure earlier alloy TU engines don't bolt to later iron TU gearboxes. The unknown is the later alloy stuff, like what you have. I have bolted a VTR gearbox to a Saxo alloy 1.4 engine before, so I'm 99% sure the later alloy engines have the same PCD as the iron blocks, and being from a 206/Xsara, you'll have a later alloy block.
Pretty sure the PCD is what prevented me bolting a Saxo VTS gearbox to an AX GT though.
Pretty sure the PCD is what prevented me bolting a Saxo VTS gearbox to an AX GT though.
dom9 said:
Quick edit!
Just heard back from the seller and this engine was running an MA box, previously...
So, hopefully panic averted!
Will have a read round the forums anyway - Thanks, K!
Yeah they're all MA boxes, it's just some have a slightly different PCD. If memory serves, it was around the starter motor mounting side.Just heard back from the seller and this engine was running an MA box, previously...
So, hopefully panic averted!
Will have a read round the forums anyway - Thanks, K!
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