1992 Peugeot 106 XSi - Strip, Respray, Rebuild OEM+
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Wow! This is cool!
My first car was a Miami Blue XSI!! J140 UBL. Was an incredible first car! I bought mine with TSW wheels and Lexus lights! It's was quickly corrected but I have no pictures of it apart from the ones the previous owner took unfortunately.
Good luck with your project!
My first car was a Miami Blue XSI!! J140 UBL. Was an incredible first car! I bought mine with TSW wheels and Lexus lights! It's was quickly corrected but I have no pictures of it apart from the ones the previous owner took unfortunately.
Good luck with your project!
Sorry gents - Work has been mental and I've had a bad back the last few weeks and months 
I've just had some new parts delivered including; Quaife quick rack kit, new bolt set (whole car), engine mount, paint etc.
Oh, and yet another engine is on it's way (probably, just checking engine codes with the seller), which is supposed to be a rebuilt 1.4 XSi.
That'll leave me with the iron block XSi engine in the car (HG failure), the alloy block 'Cup' engine (supposedly rebuilt) and this new iron block Xsi engine (supposedly rebuilt).
If they all turn out to be pups then I have lots and lots of spares and with this new engine being <£100 delivered, it's rude not to.
Have some 'proper' work to knock out the next few days and will hopefully be on the tools before the weekend
The head in the car appears to have the casting number 9627746110, which looks like an S1 106 75bhp head so I do need to drop either one of the 'new' engines in or a head, at least. Need the current one out of the car to assess what I have and pop the heads off all of them to check valve size, bores etc.
The 'Cup' head certainly seems to have the Rallye casting number so I can build at least one 'correct' engine in Franken-parts.
So, I think I'll start at the front and pull the bumper, slam panel, radiator and all that jazz to get to the engine. Might as well do the front suspension at the same time and tidy up any surface rust. Thankfully my inner wings look good.
Wish me luck and I'll get some pics up this week/weekend!
I've just had some new parts delivered including; Quaife quick rack kit, new bolt set (whole car), engine mount, paint etc.
Oh, and yet another engine is on it's way (probably, just checking engine codes with the seller), which is supposed to be a rebuilt 1.4 XSi.
That'll leave me with the iron block XSi engine in the car (HG failure), the alloy block 'Cup' engine (supposedly rebuilt) and this new iron block Xsi engine (supposedly rebuilt).
If they all turn out to be pups then I have lots and lots of spares and with this new engine being <£100 delivered, it's rude not to.
Have some 'proper' work to knock out the next few days and will hopefully be on the tools before the weekend
The head in the car appears to have the casting number 9627746110, which looks like an S1 106 75bhp head so I do need to drop either one of the 'new' engines in or a head, at least. Need the current one out of the car to assess what I have and pop the heads off all of them to check valve size, bores etc.
The 'Cup' head certainly seems to have the Rallye casting number so I can build at least one 'correct' engine in Franken-parts.
So, I think I'll start at the front and pull the bumper, slam panel, radiator and all that jazz to get to the engine. Might as well do the front suspension at the same time and tidy up any surface rust. Thankfully my inner wings look good.
Wish me luck and I'll get some pics up this week/weekend!
Ok, progress has been quicker than expected after I needed to get my mind off work.
I pushed it out of the garage and pulled it back in - not so easy on your own with a flat tyre!
This is the result of the last couple of hours:
Car in the garage prior to some re-organisation
Car pushed out to get a bit of light. Front facing in so I stay in the dry!
It's a bit dark but the keen-eyed might see that the radiator and headlights are out.
Removal of the headlights seemed to reveal a birds nest of wires. I hate wiring and have no idea what has been spliced in here and why.
More on the other sides...
Rust round the battery tray seems pretty superficial.
Bumper is off! It fought me One of the captive nuts in the radiator support/crossmember has cracked off, inside, where you see the socket hanging down.
Rust on the crossmember is a bit less superficial and may need 'dealing with'.
Rust on the passenger side bumper support is also a bit past superficial...
New ones appear to be available though e.g. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-106-L-H-Front-Bu...
Back in the garage looking sorry for itself..
So, the rust isn't nearly as bad as might have been feared, by the looks of things.
The lights have seen better days and will be replaced and the rest of the front end needs to come off and then we can find out what's going on with this engine and 'box.
I am concerned that both the block and 'box are wrong now (as the head may well be wrong). Engine isn't a problem as I have spares but a gearbox will be an annoying expense if this isn't a genuine XSi one.
Anyway, progress is happening! Think it needs a lot of tidying up under that bonnet in terms of cleaning, painting and wiring. Some good inspiration on Kitchski's AX thread.
I pushed it out of the garage and pulled it back in - not so easy on your own with a flat tyre!
This is the result of the last couple of hours:
Car in the garage prior to some re-organisation
Car pushed out to get a bit of light. Front facing in so I stay in the dry!
It's a bit dark but the keen-eyed might see that the radiator and headlights are out.
Removal of the headlights seemed to reveal a birds nest of wires. I hate wiring and have no idea what has been spliced in here and why.
More on the other sides...
Rust round the battery tray seems pretty superficial.
Bumper is off! It fought me
One of the captive nuts in the radiator support/crossmember has cracked off, inside, where you see the socket hanging down.Rust on the crossmember is a bit less superficial and may need 'dealing with'.
Rust on the passenger side bumper support is also a bit past superficial...
New ones appear to be available though e.g. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Peugeot-106-L-H-Front-Bu...
Back in the garage looking sorry for itself..
So, the rust isn't nearly as bad as might have been feared, by the looks of things.
The lights have seen better days and will be replaced and the rest of the front end needs to come off and then we can find out what's going on with this engine and 'box.
I am concerned that both the block and 'box are wrong now (as the head may well be wrong). Engine isn't a problem as I have spares but a gearbox will be an annoying expense if this isn't a genuine XSi one.
Anyway, progress is happening! Think it needs a lot of tidying up under that bonnet in terms of cleaning, painting and wiring. Some good inspiration on Kitchski's AX thread.
Edited by dom9 on Tuesday 10th January 12:34
Good work Dom, keep going! Not sure how good your French is, but it might be worth scouring the French motoring websites for a genuine XSI gearbox if you can't find one over here? Anyway - here is some inspiration for you, they want equivalent of £7,600 for it!!
http://ww3.autoscout24.fr/classified/301652362?asr...
http://ww3.autoscout24.fr/classified/301652362?asr...
Thanks Si,
That French car is lovely - real timewarp condition
I went back out to the garage yesterday afternoon and got my new impact wrench out for the first time. 3 wheel bolts each side buzzed off in a jiffy and I cracked the nuts on the strut top mounts (by hand) while I was out there.
Will get the car on jacks, whip the last bolt out of each side and get wheels off and concentrate on the front suspension and brakes now, I think.
Why not continue with the front strip/ pulling the engine? Because I think I hurt my back again
Well, could barely walk yesterday evening but after a hot bath, some dicolfenac gel and a sleep, seems a lot better today but I don't want to push it too hard. I have physio tomorrow, so I should be good for Friday/ weekend.
May even take a day or two off any of the hard stuff (i.e. will see how much effort it takes to crack the joints on the wishbones and leave 'em if it looks hard).
Still need to get the steels rubbed down and to the tyre fitter with the Toyos, then the old alloys can be pressed into duty as supports under the car/ engine/ 'box! Also need to pull the head on the 'Cup' engine and see what's there so progress can be made even if I am not lifting too much. Maybe I should mask up the calipers for painting!?
That French car is lovely - real timewarp condition
I went back out to the garage yesterday afternoon and got my new impact wrench out for the first time. 3 wheel bolts each side buzzed off in a jiffy and I cracked the nuts on the strut top mounts (by hand) while I was out there.
Will get the car on jacks, whip the last bolt out of each side and get wheels off and concentrate on the front suspension and brakes now, I think.
Why not continue with the front strip/ pulling the engine? Because I think I hurt my back again
Well, could barely walk yesterday evening but after a hot bath, some dicolfenac gel and a sleep, seems a lot better today but I don't want to push it too hard. I have physio tomorrow, so I should be good for Friday/ weekend.
May even take a day or two off any of the hard stuff (i.e. will see how much effort it takes to crack the joints on the wishbones and leave 'em if it looks hard).
Still need to get the steels rubbed down and to the tyre fitter with the Toyos, then the old alloys can be pressed into duty as supports under the car/ engine/ 'box! Also need to pull the head on the 'Cup' engine and see what's there so progress can be made even if I am not lifting too much. Maybe I should mask up the calipers for painting!?
Good progress mate. I'd worry about making sure there's not rot in that shell before going at it with the brakes etc. Check under the front chassis legs and where they join the bulkhead. Also the rear arches, in behind the filler neck, rear sills, around the rear chassis legs and around the fuel tank areas. They rot like hell around there. No point getting going if all that is waiting for you.
Really interested to learn more about this 'Cup' engine. I've never heard of it before. Have you asked Sandy on the Pug forums what he knows about it? He's the Peugeot guru!
Really interested to learn more about this 'Cup' engine. I've never heard of it before. Have you asked Sandy on the Pug forums what he knows about it? He's the Peugeot guru!
Just been having a bit of a poke round looking for rust and none (structural) found so far.
Given up for the day though as I want to protect my back a bit.
Had to hammer an imperial socket over the locking wheel nuts (didn't know it had any and have no key).
They gave in in the end and the car is now on jacks.
So, tried to do some sort of tidying in the garage, believe it or not!
Shiny new discs not going on yet:
Shiny new top mounts also not going on yet:
This is the scene as I have left it- That washer bottle is going in the dishwasher to make me feel better:
That's the 'Cup' engine, nestled in the back with some tyres and tools. I believe they were built for a one make 106 Cup series, so they are just lighter, blueprinted etc. Nothing toooooo special.
Parts stacked everywhere. They're in some sort of order, believe it or not! Need to take Bella's flight crate to the tip - She won't be flying again!
Cleared the boot out to look for rust... Found this wiring loom (or parts of) - looks suspiciously like the mess I found behind the headlights. Think I am going to need help sorting all that at the end!
Dropped this in to make me feel better! Didn't really work as the fit isn't brilliant. It'll do for now.
And that is where I am up to, today. Think I need some quick wins (like dishwashing the washer bottle) to keep my enthusiasm up.
I think I may soak the suspension bolts in WD40 and have a think about caliper bolts for a day or two...
Given up for the day though as I want to protect my back a bit.
Had to hammer an imperial socket over the locking wheel nuts (didn't know it had any and have no key).
They gave in in the end and the car is now on jacks.
So, tried to do some sort of tidying in the garage, believe it or not!
Shiny new discs not going on yet:
Shiny new top mounts also not going on yet:
This is the scene as I have left it- That washer bottle is going in the dishwasher to make me feel better:
That's the 'Cup' engine, nestled in the back with some tyres and tools. I believe they were built for a one make 106 Cup series, so they are just lighter, blueprinted etc. Nothing toooooo special.
Parts stacked everywhere. They're in some sort of order, believe it or not! Need to take Bella's flight crate to the tip - She won't be flying again!
Cleared the boot out to look for rust... Found this wiring loom (or parts of) - looks suspiciously like the mess I found behind the headlights. Think I am going to need help sorting all that at the end!
Dropped this in to make me feel better! Didn't really work as the fit isn't brilliant. It'll do for now.
And that is where I am up to, today. Think I need some quick wins (like dishwashing the washer bottle) to keep my enthusiasm up.
I think I may soak the suspension bolts in WD40 and have a think about caliper bolts for a day or two...
Edited by dom9 on Wednesday 11th January 11:09
I think I will pull the head off, check the bores etc. Make sure everything is free and add my vernier pulley so I can play with the timing once it's running. I have the Honda VTEC crackle red painted cam cover to go on as well
It also needs some jobs like swapping a crank pulley off the engine that's in the car as the alternator it came with looked shagged and was on a ribbed belt and not the toothed belt. Or swap the alternator pulleys over... Need to have them side by side for a think and then check it has all the same level/ pressure/ other sensors etc and that the gearbox, clutch etc are a straight swap as I think some alloy blocks used a different bellhousing - gulp!
To be fair - I really bought that engine for the head (it was relatively cheap) but it would be nice to have an alloy block in there.
I think this 'new' XSi engine (current owner just checking the block and head numbers for me) may be the way forward but I may drop the 'Cup' head on as I guess the standard cam (assuming that's what it is - need to check if it's Z/J etc) is blueprinted, it's probably skimmed a fair bit and maybe has optimized valve seats for it to have made 122bhp on an Emerald.
However, yes - I think getting mechanical things generally 'tidied' up will feel good. Washer bottle just had a scrub and now in the dishwasher before Mrs9 gets home - LOL! Might attack the surface rust that had formed where it pokes through the wing and get that painted before it goes back in.
It also needs some jobs like swapping a crank pulley off the engine that's in the car as the alternator it came with looked shagged and was on a ribbed belt and not the toothed belt. Or swap the alternator pulleys over... Need to have them side by side for a think and then check it has all the same level/ pressure/ other sensors etc and that the gearbox, clutch etc are a straight swap as I think some alloy blocks used a different bellhousing - gulp!
To be fair - I really bought that engine for the head (it was relatively cheap) but it would be nice to have an alloy block in there.
I think this 'new' XSi engine (current owner just checking the block and head numbers for me) may be the way forward but I may drop the 'Cup' head on as I guess the standard cam (assuming that's what it is - need to check if it's Z/J etc) is blueprinted, it's probably skimmed a fair bit and maybe has optimized valve seats for it to have made 122bhp on an Emerald.
However, yes - I think getting mechanical things generally 'tidied' up will feel good. Washer bottle just had a scrub and now in the dishwasher before Mrs9 gets home - LOL! Might attack the surface rust that had formed where it pokes through the wing and get that painted before it goes back in.
Well I thoroughly enjoyed reading that and french cars aren't really my thing. Not to mean that I dislike them as I appreciate most 'good' older cars. But I know when I've enjoyed reading a build because gumtree and eBay get browsed for the builders model haha. Sorry to read about your back problems impeding progress but i guess it ain't worth aggravating any injury. I'll look forward to future updates.
Taz1383 said:
Don't agree with your justification for avoiding a 205.
Paid 1200 for mine. A full service and full hose replacements will cost me 1k.
None of them are OEM.
I feel it's upto me what I do to my car, not anyone else.
It's a 1.9 btw, I wouldn't have settled for anything less.
What is this referring to? The line in the OP "I'd have loved to get back into a 205 GTi but with good ones appearing to start around £10k now, with reasonable mileage, I felt that there may be more 'value' in the 106."?Paid 1200 for mine. A full service and full hose replacements will cost me 1k.
None of them are OEM.
I feel it's upto me what I do to my car, not anyone else.
It's a 1.9 btw, I wouldn't have settled for anything less.
Let me clarify, if so. I would love a completely original, low mileage 205 GTi that I wouldn't touch (in terms of modifications) and then keep it forever. Something like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Immaculate-Peugeot-205-G...
However, I can't justify more cars at the moment and every time I look at them, I think I'd rather hand someone a few grand (Kitchski??) to finish this 106 XSi resto-mod than pay £10k for that 205 GTi. It's just how I feel.
The cheapest non-converted car on ebay is this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-H-PEUGEOT-205-GTI-B...
That's around £2.5k more than this XSi cost me to buy and less than I've spent in total with all the new parts, engines etc. In fact, I doubt I'll spend over £3k to have mine mechanically perfect but then it'll need a couple of grand of paint on top.
A ~£5k resto-mod 106 XSi is worth more to me than spending £10k on the 205 GTi that I would like. I also prefer the TU engine to the XU engine and think the S1 shape 106 is a great looking car, very much in the mould of the 205 GTi, whereas the later 106 GTi isn't as 'pretty' IMHO.
Coakers said:
Well I thoroughly enjoyed reading that and french cars aren't really my thing. Not to mean that I dislike them as I appreciate most 'good' older cars. But I know when I've enjoyed reading a build because gumtree and eBay get browsed for the builders model haha. Sorry to read about your back problems impeding progress but i guess it ain't worth aggravating any injury. I'll look forward to future updates.
Glad it has provided some inspiration You don't find many 106 XSi for sale, sadly! I think it's the prettiest of the 106s (when on steels) and a bit forgotten. I guess a lot have died from tin worm or modified with GTi engines etc. This one is worth saving as it looks pretty good, structurally.
As for my back; I had a stress fracture in my lower spine from my more 'athletic' youth. It has hurt almost everyday for the subsequent (almost) 20yrs (jeez - I am getting old) because I haven't really looked after it. However, it got worse after helping my Dad with his car and that put me back in physio. I don't think a desk job (and probably +20kg from those days) has helped so I am trying to get it sorted!
Taz1383 said:
Don't agree with your justification for avoiding a 205.
Paid 1200 for mine. A full service and full hose replacements will cost me 1k.
None of them are OEM.
I feel it's upto me what I do to my car, not anyone else.
It's a 1.9 btw, I wouldn't have settled for anything less.
Paid 1200 for mine. A full service and full hose replacements will cost me 1k.
None of them are OEM.
I feel it's upto me what I do to my car, not anyone else.
It's a 1.9 btw, I wouldn't have settled for anything less.
Eh?
Taz1383 said:
His reasons for getting a 106 were, more investment potential...
No they weren't, else I wouldn't modify it.I got it exactly because of the likely lack of investment potential. It's a cheap car that won't have its value lost being played with.
I certainly wouldn't buy a non-GTi 106 with over 100k on the clock, the wrong wheels, no MOT etc for an investment.
I have a 1,000 mile Clio V6 for that
It was bought because there are no 100bhp+, well-under-a-tonne cars being made anymore. I wanted something nippy for B-Road blasting that I had enjoyed modifying to my exact specification.
The total spend will put me in VERY nice 106 GTi territory so why wouldn't I get one of those if it was for investment?
Very strange. I find it highly unlikely anyone would give me what it will cost me back for the car so it would be a fairly crappy investment. I'm simply doing it for the love, which doesn't always work out when it's cold outside.
Would I modify a £10k 205 GTi? No. That doesn't stop anyone else for doing it. You've read this thread and you think I don't like people who modify cars?
As is abundantly clear; my car was a far, far cheaper base than a 205 gti from which to start a project, which is why I started with it.
Quick bit of progress... Been a bit cold of late and work was busy so I took a few days off the car.
Wanted to get a look at the callipers and uprights etc so pulled the calliper and hub nut off one side.
Looks like I need to get the wire brush and rattle cans out but everything looks 'ok'.
New discs and pads will make everything look nice
Will try and get that corner off this weekend and get everything cleaned and painted to go back on...
Wanted to get a look at the callipers and uprights etc so pulled the calliper and hub nut off one side.
Looks like I need to get the wire brush and rattle cans out but everything looks 'ok'.
New discs and pads will make everything look nice
Will try and get that corner off this weekend and get everything cleaned and painted to go back on...
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