1992 Peugeot 106 XSi - Strip, Respray, Rebuild OEM+
Discussion
GuinnessMK said:
Any chance you could send me a link to the supplier?
Might be interested!
I am guessing it is probably a copy of the Group N map.
Starting to think I need to get moving on the build so may just have this head skimmed (maybe 0.25mm) and refreshed and get the car built up with all the parts I've bought and got already (plus a new rear beam).
At least then the car would be running nicely. Then I can maybe do a full engine build with the BP285, gearbox refresh with the Quaife, and full paint after... At least then the car is on the road and in good shape.
I'd like to do the lot in one go but I am not finding the time to get it all done in one hit and really want to drive it. Will mull it over!
I'm also struggling to find a driver's seat, which means it won't feel 'perfect' until I find that! We'll see - Got a new contract at work so the funds are there; just need time and patience.
GuinnessMK said:
Thanks. Looks like they have one for a 1.6 engine too!
Do they come with fitting instructions?
With regard to your car, I'd get it up and running. That's my aim, not hoping for concours, just stopping it getting any worse, getting an MOT and back on the road.
Then in 5 - 10 years I might be in a position to pay a pro to do a bare shell resto.
I'm not sure about fitting instructions but there are loads on Google; seems pretty simple (open ECU case, pull old chip out, put new chip in, bolt ECU case back together... Disconnect the power, obviously).Do they come with fitting instructions?
With regard to your car, I'd get it up and running. That's my aim, not hoping for concours, just stopping it getting any worse, getting an MOT and back on the road.
Then in 5 - 10 years I might be in a position to pay a pro to do a bare shell resto.
It'll work or it won't work but it's worth a go for £25 as I can't seem to find someone local who'll live map my engine, so not much point dropping in the cam with a heavy skim if I can't get it to run right and perhaps not get it through an MOT.
Expecting lots more stuff delivered today, so hopefully some more updates to come over the weekend!
I'm pretty set on bolting everything I have at the moment on, having the head skimmed and rebuilt and then running the car as-is. Then pull the engine and 'box for rebuilds and get the shell sprayed at the same time, once I've tracked down a good interior, found a mapper and got someone to give me a quote and schedule for the work!
I'll get the car over to SRR and ask Vixpy to run it up with both chips.
Will make for a nice, back-to-back comparison.
I believe this is a copy of the Group N chip so is pretty much 'just' more fuel and a raised rev limit. I don't think it's one that has been fiddled with and programmed by some guy in a shed.
However, we'll see and if the lambda is way out; I'll swap back to standard.
Ultimately though, it'll have a bespoke map to suit the final engine spec.
Will make for a nice, back-to-back comparison.
I believe this is a copy of the Group N chip so is pretty much 'just' more fuel and a raised rev limit. I don't think it's one that has been fiddled with and programmed by some guy in a shed.
However, we'll see and if the lambda is way out; I'll swap back to standard.
Ultimately though, it'll have a bespoke map to suit the final engine spec.
The cam cover is now home and looks great - Will set the engine off nicely.
I am waiting on new brake discs, wishbones, top mounts, drop links, Group N exhaust and some other bits and pieces... Then the rebuild will begin.
The plan is evolving, as with all these things, but I now think that the Clio V6 will come out of the garage for a couple of weeks, swapping with the 106, while I do the front-to-back suspension and brake refresh and then I may pull the engine and gearbox, sending them for rebuild, while sending the rolling shell for a full glass/ seal/ light out respray.
So, hopefully there will be some more interesting pictures up in the coming weeks!
The major things I am missing are good condition front seats. Mine have rips and tears and have seen better days. I thought I may have tracked down a pair but the seller has gone quiet, sadly.
So, IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A GOOD XSI INTERIOR FOR SALE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!
I am also tempted to pick up a second cylinder head (again, they don't seem easy to find and go quickly). I am thinking I may have the engine refreshed with a light-ish skim and run that on standard management and then have a heavy skim and BP285 installed on the 'new' head and swap them over if/ when I can find someone who can map/ chip the ECU.
I have just sold a watch so all budget expenditure has Mrs9 approval, so far!
I am waiting on new brake discs, wishbones, top mounts, drop links, Group N exhaust and some other bits and pieces... Then the rebuild will begin.
The plan is evolving, as with all these things, but I now think that the Clio V6 will come out of the garage for a couple of weeks, swapping with the 106, while I do the front-to-back suspension and brake refresh and then I may pull the engine and gearbox, sending them for rebuild, while sending the rolling shell for a full glass/ seal/ light out respray.
So, hopefully there will be some more interesting pictures up in the coming weeks!
The major things I am missing are good condition front seats. Mine have rips and tears and have seen better days. I thought I may have tracked down a pair but the seller has gone quiet, sadly.
So, IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A GOOD XSI INTERIOR FOR SALE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!
I am also tempted to pick up a second cylinder head (again, they don't seem easy to find and go quickly). I am thinking I may have the engine refreshed with a light-ish skim and run that on standard management and then have a heavy skim and BP285 installed on the 'new' head and swap them over if/ when I can find someone who can map/ chip the ECU.
I have just sold a watch so all budget expenditure has Mrs9 approval, so far!
Hammondo said:
Much jealousy! Looking to get hold of one of these to relive my youth but they are hens teeth. Will follow this through envious eyes!
Thanks mate - need to get on with it! There was a white one with low miles for sale on PH, not long back. I was tempted by it as it would be an awful lot cheaper than this project is turning out to be!darren9 said:
Isn't that ram air filter for the gti? Will it fit the ph1? I seem to remember seeing them on the gti's.
It should fit (may require some trimming) all 106s and has been used on a load of S1s. I'll see how it goes. I really just wanted 'something' that I could start with to get the breather pipes worked out etc. Maybe it'll end up with something completely different in the end but this can be made to work for now.I looked for ages for one and there were none about for months.
I think most have been crashed, rotted away or barried to death.
However, in the last few weeks, more have been cropping up.
Set yourself up a watch for "106 XSI" on ebay and see what happens.
I'll give you a shout if I see one!
I think most have been crashed, rotted away or barried to death.
However, in the last few weeks, more have been cropping up.
Set yourself up a watch for "106 XSI" on ebay and see what happens.
I'll give you a shout if I see one!
Hammondo said:
I had a classic Mini that I just sold. Typically when I had no space or cash there were XSi's, Rallyes and GTi's about. Now I have an empty garage and a brown envelope of cash, there's sod all!
Edited by Hammondo on Thursday 28th April 11:00
xu5 said:
I love the sound of this. Had several sporting and non sporting 106's. Although the gti was great I always preferred the handling and feel of the S1 rallye. Just felt a bit more "alert", like the xsi I guess (never had the xsi).
I'm hoping it will be a very direct, little thing - should buzz around like an angry wasp!CarlosV8 said:
Have you considered aftermarket engine management? Not sure how "smart" the standard ECU is but surely a properly mapped setup will make the most of the mods you have planned? I guess cost may be the limiting factor?
Simple answer is 'yes', I have considered it but it really isn't cheap and may not be worthwhile for a road project, where I am not really chasing every last bhp or stressing the engine. The standard management should be able to cope with keeping the AFR in check and not pinking and that should be 'enough'. New management would still then need to be mapped by someone handy. I can see it being over £1k, finished and you might as well the go for TBs etc.However, if the rolling road shows lambda way out of whack on the rebuilt engine, I may well consider building a Microsquirt or something like that as my next project. I am really not an electronics man though - I like the mechanical aspects.
I could just trailer it to Wayne Schofield though as he apparently can do a personalised map on a rolling road.
New top mounts, bearings and the EPROM are here!
Looks like it's time to get the front suspension apart and get the new bits on so I can bin all the cardboard boxes and make some room in the garage!
Dampers, discs, springs, wishbones etc are taking up the lot of room! Might as well get the two wheels I've painted on the front too!
Let's see if the rain holds off this weekend!
Looks like it's time to get the front suspension apart and get the new bits on so I can bin all the cardboard boxes and make some room in the garage!
Dampers, discs, springs, wishbones etc are taking up the lot of room! Might as well get the two wheels I've painted on the front too!
Let's see if the rain holds off this weekend!
Busy day looking at houses with Mrs9 yesterday and woke up with a raging hangover this morning after a birthday party last night but still managed to get the last two wheels painted!
Hopefully the good weather stays tomorrow and I'll see if I can get the tyres fitted and then I'll get the car jacked up, wheels off and will have a look at the front suspension!
No point putting the new wheels on if I don't get the new wishbones, shocks, springs, top mounts etc on!
The chip arrived as well:
Also picked up some new ignition leads, so I think I have pretty much everything I wanted now, except perhaps brake pads!
Hopefully the good weather stays tomorrow and I'll see if I can get the tyres fitted and then I'll get the car jacked up, wheels off and will have a look at the front suspension!
No point putting the new wheels on if I don't get the new wishbones, shocks, springs, top mounts etc on!
The chip arrived as well:
Also picked up some new ignition leads, so I think I have pretty much everything I wanted now, except perhaps brake pads!
Hi Thomas - progress has slowed between house hunting and heading back off to India for work...
Mrs9 is away next weekend, which may give me some time but the weather is turning again and I'll have the pup to look after.
Got to do something though as it just looks like I'm stockpiling parts!
Mrs9 is away next weekend, which may give me some time but the weather is turning again and I'll have the pup to look after.
Got to do something though as it just looks like I'm stockpiling parts!
Sorry guys - been a while since I updated this. Took some time off the cars while I sorted some stuff at work.
Clio V6 is now out of the garage and the little Pug is in.
A rebuilt, PTS XSi engine was delivered yesterday and has apparently only done a few hundred miles since rebuild. It put out 122bhp on a dyno running an Emerald (I think) ECU and a Rallye inlet and it is meant to blueprinted.
We'll see about all that but it gives me the opportunity to pull the old engine out and build that to my spec, while this is on the road.
Will get the PTS engine dressed and painted up, ready to drop in and will try and do a bit every night and weekend, from now on, until it's done. So, hopefully lots more pictures to come over the next few weeks!
Also found and paid for a better interior but need to find the time to go and pick that up! I haven't even got the tyres fitted to the wheels yet!
One odd thing was the charger/ conditioner that's been on the V6 all year doesn't seem to like the battery in the XSi and kept tripping... Odd! It was a brand new battery a few weeks back and the charger was on it before.
Clio V6 is now out of the garage and the little Pug is in.
A rebuilt, PTS XSi engine was delivered yesterday and has apparently only done a few hundred miles since rebuild. It put out 122bhp on a dyno running an Emerald (I think) ECU and a Rallye inlet and it is meant to blueprinted.
We'll see about all that but it gives me the opportunity to pull the old engine out and build that to my spec, while this is on the road.
Will get the PTS engine dressed and painted up, ready to drop in and will try and do a bit every night and weekend, from now on, until it's done. So, hopefully lots more pictures to come over the next few weeks!
Also found and paid for a better interior but need to find the time to go and pick that up! I haven't even got the tyres fitted to the wheels yet!
One odd thing was the charger/ conditioner that's been on the V6 all year doesn't seem to like the battery in the XSi and kept tripping... Odd! It was a brand new battery a few weeks back and the charger was on it before.
Ok, well, this didn't go to plan!
I was away most of August and have had a work trip or two to India, in the meantime!
The battery recovered nicely on the conditioner so it has come time to strip down the 'new' PTS engine.
Here are some pics of the unwrapping and getting on the stand (on my own - groan):
So, that's my progress for now... Need to get the sponges out next and pull the head off.
One rather obvious potential issue is that the engine is NOT an XSi iron block!
The casting number seems to indicate it is an aluminium 206/Xsara 1.4 engine... Hmmmm...
The head seems to have the Rallye casting number though, so it could just be XSi internals in an alloy block.
That wouldn't be a bad thing at all but this does have a different alternator set up etc.
Will get this engine built up, get the old engine out and compare them, see what needs swapping over (or can be) and check I have all right sensors/sensor holes!
Not what I was expecting (thought I'd bought) but if it has the right pistons then I've just saved 15kg or something, which is nice
I was away most of August and have had a work trip or two to India, in the meantime!
The battery recovered nicely on the conditioner so it has come time to strip down the 'new' PTS engine.
Here are some pics of the unwrapping and getting on the stand (on my own - groan):
So, that's my progress for now... Need to get the sponges out next and pull the head off.
One rather obvious potential issue is that the engine is NOT an XSi iron block!
The casting number seems to indicate it is an aluminium 206/Xsara 1.4 engine... Hmmmm...
The head seems to have the Rallye casting number though, so it could just be XSi internals in an alloy block.
That wouldn't be a bad thing at all but this does have a different alternator set up etc.
Will get this engine built up, get the old engine out and compare them, see what needs swapping over (or can be) and check I have all right sensors/sensor holes!
Not what I was expecting (thought I'd bought) but if it has the right pistons then I've just saved 15kg or something, which is nice
Edited by dom9 on Tuesday 13th September 13:17
Kitchski said:
...Some of the alloy blocks had a different PCD for the bellhousing though, so make sure it is a later engine (206, Xsara etc) as it might not fit your gearbox otherwise, and you'd have to go scouring the land for an AX GT one.
Gulp!The number seems to indicate that it is the 206/Xsara block... Only one way to find out (unless you have some dimensions?)!
Will get the head off this one, have a look at what pistons are there and get the new HG fitted, water pump etc and get it all timed up so at least it's good to go in or be sold on.
Once the iron block engine is out, that will be rebuilt anyway. So this engine is more of a stop-gap but the weight saving will be nice... If it all plumbs/wires/fits up as expected.
May start with the XSi inlet/injection (despite now having two Rallye inlet manifolds) so it's one less thing to be modifying while I debug this install.
More progress tomorrow... Hopefully some easy gains this week, digging the wheels back out and getting the tires fitted. I really need to tidy up the garage and give myself some more space to work in!
Kev_Mk3 said:
fantastic read
Thank you Stay tuned as hopefully the rate of progress picks up now!
Block clean, head off, new gasket, plugs, water pump, cam cover (also red), maybe some paint etc then seal it all back up and tuck it away at the back of the garage.
Can then start pulling the front off the actual car on Thursday!
Radiator off, engine and box out and fit all new front suspension and brakes!
Not much then
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