2016 Ford Mustang 5.0 GT. Captain Slow's Pony car adventure
Discussion
Matt Harper said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
The same car had been RRd on the same rolling road previously (std) and made 415bhp.
Std 415 WHP? - no - that's what Ford state RHD motor HP to be.Baseline would be WHP prior to mods, which from 415 and a manual trans should reasonably be around 345-350WHP - or a 60hp parasitic loss.
That said, 360hp on the ground, as demonstrated by that dyno sheet, is not an insignificant number by any means - and I've always believed that any gain is a good thing.
I installed a Hellcat air-catcher (the thro' headlight job) on my Challenger and it added a marginal (3+) at the wheels. I'm about to buy an aFePower "Momentum GT Pro5R" cold air system (that utilizes the same cold air source) that claims to add 16hp - and costs the thick end of $500, but if it gives me 8 it's still worth it, if it keeps me under 12 sec quarters. In summary I'm not anti - I just think that most of the claims are just that - claims.
Still, I'm intrigued by yours - does it seal to the hood? Where is it pulling the air from - the wheel well? Did it come with a plug to blank off the hole in the firewall, after you've torn out the ultra-s
tty sound tube? You've got two long standing members of this forum having personally witnessed these results, with proof, together with countless tuners (Roush, Shelby, Mustang Motorsport, Herrod, Harrop) all running custom tunes, CAI's and exhausts producing the claimed outputs, with proof, RR sheets and also magazine tested YET you still decry it based on 'this time I had this different car with a different engine and all I got was xxx result' type retort.
These claims you speak of come with proof and witnessed evidence whereas your retort has nothing to disprove but your own conviction.
Maybe you're just wrong and it might just be easier to get your head round that.
Sigh.
Pommygranite said:
I'm not sure why you seem to be in perpetual arguement mode on this matter.
You've got two long standing members of this forum having personally witnessed these results, with proof, together with countless tuners (Roush, Shelby, Mustang Motorsport, Herrod, Harrop) all running custom tunes, CAI's and exhausts producing the claimed outputs, with proof, RR sheets and also magazine tested YET you still decry it based on 'this time I had this different car with a different engine and all I got was xxx result' type retort.
These claims you speak of come with proof and witnessed evidence whereas your retort has nothing to disprove but your own conviction.
Maybe you're just wrong and it might just be easier to get your head round that.
Sigh.
You're clearly a bit of an idiot. You've got two long standing members of this forum having personally witnessed these results, with proof, together with countless tuners (Roush, Shelby, Mustang Motorsport, Herrod, Harrop) all running custom tunes, CAI's and exhausts producing the claimed outputs, with proof, RR sheets and also magazine tested YET you still decry it based on 'this time I had this different car with a different engine and all I got was xxx result' type retort.
These claims you speak of come with proof and witnessed evidence whereas your retort has nothing to disprove but your own conviction.
Maybe you're just wrong and it might just be easier to get your head round that.
Sigh.
Matt Harper said:
Pommygranite said:
I'm not sure why you seem to be in perpetual arguement mode on this matter.
You've got two long standing members of this forum having personally witnessed these results, with proof, together with countless tuners (Roush, Shelby, Mustang Motorsport, Herrod, Harrop) all running custom tunes, CAI's and exhausts producing the claimed outputs, with proof, RR sheets and also magazine tested YET you still decry it based on 'this time I had this different car with a different engine and all I got was xxx result' type retort.
These claims you speak of come with proof and witnessed evidence whereas your retort has nothing to disprove but your own conviction.
Maybe you're just wrong and it might just be easier to get your head round that.
Sigh.
You're clearly a bit of an idiot. You've got two long standing members of this forum having personally witnessed these results, with proof, together with countless tuners (Roush, Shelby, Mustang Motorsport, Herrod, Harrop) all running custom tunes, CAI's and exhausts producing the claimed outputs, with proof, RR sheets and also magazine tested YET you still decry it based on 'this time I had this different car with a different engine and all I got was xxx result' type retort.
These claims you speak of come with proof and witnessed evidence whereas your retort has nothing to disprove but your own conviction.
Maybe you're just wrong and it might just be easier to get your head round that.
Sigh.
Anyway, it's just the Internet, matters not and neither does your personal opinion of me.
What i do look forward to is picking up my Mustang in April, having the 350kw package installed and enjoying my car.
Cant open the link containing the chart but are you guys trying to compare US ie dynojet and mustang dynos with UK/Aus ie dynapak or dyno dynamics figures ?
US dynos read much higher than UK ones , dynojets which are very common over there are about 15% higher.
There are a few comparison tables around to convert and make some kind of sense between different makes but there is always a great deal of variability even discounting tuner shenanigans.
http://h-dev.co.uk/dyno-comparison/?v=79cba1185463
US dynos read much higher than UK ones , dynojets which are very common over there are about 15% higher.
There are a few comparison tables around to convert and make some kind of sense between different makes but there is always a great deal of variability even discounting tuner shenanigans.
http://h-dev.co.uk/dyno-comparison/?v=79cba1185463
liner33 said:
Cant open the link containing the chart but are you guys trying to compare US ie dynojet and mustang dynos with UK/Aus ie dynapak or dyno dynamics figures ?
US dynos read much higher than UK ones , dynojets which are very common over there are about 15% higher.
There are a few comparison tables around to convert and make some kind of sense between different makes but there is always a great deal of variability even discounting tuner shenanigans.
http://h-dev.co.uk/dyno-comparison/?v=79cba1185463
My previous were Australian.US dynos read much higher than UK ones , dynojets which are very common over there are about 15% higher.
There are a few comparison tables around to convert and make some kind of sense between different makes but there is always a great deal of variability even discounting tuner shenanigans.
http://h-dev.co.uk/dyno-comparison/?v=79cba1185463
Not sure how they reputationally compare.
I think what is interesting are that there are numerous respectable tuners worldwide all running the same CAI/Exhaust/Tune combo taking it to 470bhp/350kw.
liner33 said:
Cant open the link containing the chart but are you guys trying to compare US ie dynojet and mustang dynos with UK/Aus ie dynapak or dyno dynamics figures ?
US dynos read much higher than UK ones , dynojets which are very common over there are about 15% higher.
There are a few comparison tables around to convert and make some kind of sense between different makes but there is always a great deal of variability even discounting tuner shenanigans.
http://h-dev.co.uk/dyno-comparison/?v=79cba1185463
I think this is a very salient point to consider also.US dynos read much higher than UK ones , dynojets which are very common over there are about 15% higher.
There are a few comparison tables around to convert and make some kind of sense between different makes but there is always a great deal of variability even discounting tuner shenanigans.
http://h-dev.co.uk/dyno-comparison/?v=79cba1185463
If you peruse www.americanmuscle.com their Dynojet chassis dyno records a baseline reading of 391whp for a 2014 Mustang GT (factory stated 420 motor hp) equipped with nothing other than a JLT intake. The addition of a Boss 302 manifold and BAMA93 tune gave a 13whp gain. Good bang for buck from a production-line item and no need for 'adjusted' theoretical engine hp numbers.
If you can live with a modicum of mid range torque loss and enjoy the higher end of the rev range (7k and up) where the peak HP gain is something in the order of 60whp - then this mod is the one to go for. I would definitely have installed one on my Mustang, but for the fact that my bracket drag guilty pleasure required all of the low/mid torque I could muster.
Edited by Matt Harper on Friday 4th November 19:52
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Pommygranite said:
Capt - how much has the exhaust, tune and CAI cost collectively?
Also, how do you install the Lund Tune and how much was that?
Now theres a good question!Also, how do you install the Lund Tune and how much was that?
- Roush axlebacks : €550
- Magnaflow X-pipe: €180
- Custom exhaust work : €300
- PMAS : €550
- NGauge : (2nd hand, €180)
- LUND tune : €180
So, right around €2k, which seems fine value to me. I bought the NGauge 2nd hand, but I also bought a 'no tune' PMAS, when in reality I could have saved myself €100 and gone for a 'tune' version.
In any case, <€2k for the sound, drivability and extra power seems like a bargain to me
Did you do any running in/keeping it below certain rpm? Also did you have an oil change say 1500 miles in?
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Pommygranite said:
That's incredible value for all that!
Did you do any running in/keeping it below certain rpm? Also did you have an oil change say 1500 miles in?
No particular running in (save letting it warm up properly before giving it the beans), and no early oil change.Did you do any running in/keeping it below certain rpm? Also did you have an oil change say 1500 miles in?
Ive done a datalogging session and uploaded the data back to LUND this morning, so should hopefully have a refined tune within a few days
With the Lund Tune did you literally just plug it in and away you went diy style?
What were your noticeable differences?
charltjr said:
Not sure if it's just speculators or genuine supply/demand but lightly used V8s are advertised for list price or above here at the moment.
Which is annoying, given I really want one.
I call forth the mighty sword of depreciation!
US imports available from £25k here for a manual v8. tempting as a straight swap for my elise but i am waiting to see what effect the GT500 has on 350 prices. flat plane crank ftw!Which is annoying, given I really want one.
I call forth the mighty sword of depreciation!
kapiteinlangzaam said:
Pommygranite said:
Question Kap-
1. What is the actual real world differences in the different driving modes - race, sport etc?
2. How different do the new upgrades (CAI, Tune and Exhaust) make to the driving experience in your view?
1. Throttle response, steering weight and TC/stability programmes are altered between the modes. The differences are marked. Snow/wet mode for example has much tighter limits (as you would expect) and does an admirable job in s1. What is the actual real world differences in the different driving modes - race, sport etc?
2. How different do the new upgrades (CAI, Tune and Exhaust) make to the driving experience in your view?
tty conditions.Throttle response in SPORT is actually more sensitive than RACE, the idea being you want a smoother throttle if on track, and a more I/O throttle on the drag strip.
2. The differences are immense. Exhaust is where you want to start, that has the biggest grin factor even if the performance will be largely un-altered (unless going for headers, where you will realise about 40bhp on a RHD car).
CAI and tune are genuinely laugh a minute. Its just stronger *everywhere*, most noticeable in 2nd and 5th IMO. The raised REV limit is also handy and is a good improvement I think.
Now having Michelins on the back, id also advise to burn through the OE Pirellis as quickly as possible and experience the car on some decent rear tyres!
It's great to hear the sense difference rather than just a numbers chat.
Good tip on the tyres.
I have no choice now but to get mine done when it turns up!
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