1970 BMW 2002 ITBs
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Long time no update!
I'll go back and sort all the photo bucket mess out later.
In short I've had long delays with getting Pistons made which has a knock on effect as it means I can't get the machining done on my block until they arrive.
However it has meant I could get along with the rest of the car.
Might not be the most interesting update but it'll bring my build to date.
I'll try and keep this in order but it's hard to keep track.
My front grills arrived they need a little shaping, but will be sent away at some point for de-anodising and then re-anodising. This will be some other time as they wont be going on for a while. (I've also go hold of NOS black slats)
We had our holiday in New York and my carpet I ordered was waiting in the room for me. The carpet is superb quality and a great match to the original colour.
The block needed paint striping and the core plugs removing so again REL (retro engineering ltd) lent me their jet wash.
My biggest dislike in the car was the hydraulic handbrake. I didn't trust it, it looked out of place, it didn't ratchet, the lock on it rattled at high rpm and once I'd fitted my new carpet if I put a normal handbrake in I'd have holes where this used to be.
It was going!
As I have e21 trailing arms and e30 rear brakes everything aft of the handbrake lever needed to be e21 parts.
These aren't cheap!
In all it cost around £250, that's for new backing plates, new cables, new shoes, 2nd hand expanding locks and 2nd hand cable supports. Luckily I had the handle and the ratchet mechanism as they were stupidly expensive.
The joys of trying to remove the rear wheel bearings with no gearbox or engine fitted.
They were tight!
Stupid disc retaining screws drilled out.
Stud easy outed
All fitted
New rear discs and pads installed too
The fan for the blower doesn't work which is a common fault with these. There's a few write ups on replacing the fan, but a lot of confusion as to what actually works especially on earlier cars like mine.
Instead of ordering a fan from the states that I couldn't even get a picture of I just chopped the old one off and installed a 6" spal radiator fan which I won on eBay for a bargain (they're £70 new!)
Heater box with original fan
Heater box split then Fan and fan cage chopped off
All build back up with new foam on the vent flaps, new seals and the fan fitted
More man hours than I care to think about went into that bloody blower, it fits and clears the wiper linkage by a few millimetres.
New extra capacity rad mounted with rivnuts.
Setrab oil cooler to replace the Mocal one that popped (the Mocal industrial one was too big)
Thermostat sandwich plate to stop cold oil flowing through the cooler
I was never happy with the way the rad fan was mounted, it was off set and picked up on the same bolts the rad was fitted with.
I replaced it with a 12" spal fan then bought some mounts, bent them and trimmed to fit.
Glued Some rubber to the mounting face so it doesn't chafe the slam panel
With oil cooler in place
This brings me to around a month ago when I could finally start fitting the carpet.
A few sheets of silent coat to take out some vibrations. Left over from my friends camper build.
It's a great match to the original
Then on to sticking (ignore the top edge, when the rear bench is in place and the top folds over it'll be straight. Honest!)
I'll be honest, although the carpet is a very good fit, I hated fitting it.
My missus on the other hand loved it so we both fitted it together. It'll be trimmed to fit round the cage
The old brake bias adjuster kept sticking so that got changed for a new one.
I made a little bracket up for it and ran some new brake lines.
Then the carpet could be fitted over the transmission tunnel. I was dreading this, thinking I was going to get brake fluid all over the carpet. I haven't fitted the drivers & passengers floor mats yet so no pictures of the whole carpet yet.
Unfortunately the drivers side over mat doesn't fit. The woman that made the carpet (Esty) is used to making LHD carpets for the US market and they have floor mounted pedals, so mirroring the LHD mat hasn't worked. I sent her an email just to let her know, and she's going to send me a new mat out, cover postage costs and offered to refund me the cost of the mat set.
As I only paid for front mats and go the rears for free I declined the refund.
I'd helped out retro engineering at Donington Historic with 2 BMW 1800s they were racing. They came 1st in class at the u2tc (I don't think it was due to me though!)
In return they did the valve guides on my head and they'll skim it too.
I popped in last week to lap my valves in then pressure test them.
Then I snapped a stud when removing them, balls. It wouldn't easy out, so I had to drill it and collapse it, turned out ok though.
After all this I didn't really want to fit the tatty e21 Recaros but quotes for trimming them were coming in at ~£900.
I was going to put the original seats back in as a stop gap however I still wasn't 100% convinced with the Recaros . I also couldn't think of a way to trim them and match the blue door cards whilst still looking good ( changing the door cards for black would be difficult as they don't come up for sale all that often and when they do they're pricey)
I started looking at cobra classic seats and popped into GSM who sell them to take a look. They're really comfy, well made and a fraction of the cost of some Recaros classic replicas (like sportsseats.com) albeit not quite up to their levels of quality.
GSM have been great and lent me a seat to try out and make sure it fits.
This is the same shape of seat I'm having, but without the quilting on the bolsters and with a dark blue chord centre. I should have them in the next few weeks.
Sample of the chord against the recaro chord, it's darker in real life, should look good.
All I need now is to do the front discs and pads, bleed the brakes, sort some fittings and oil hose out for the cooler and I'm set!
Oh and an engine!
I'll go back and sort all the photo bucket mess out later.
In short I've had long delays with getting Pistons made which has a knock on effect as it means I can't get the machining done on my block until they arrive.
However it has meant I could get along with the rest of the car.
Might not be the most interesting update but it'll bring my build to date.
I'll try and keep this in order but it's hard to keep track.
My front grills arrived they need a little shaping, but will be sent away at some point for de-anodising and then re-anodising. This will be some other time as they wont be going on for a while. (I've also go hold of NOS black slats)
We had our holiday in New York and my carpet I ordered was waiting in the room for me. The carpet is superb quality and a great match to the original colour.
The block needed paint striping and the core plugs removing so again REL (retro engineering ltd) lent me their jet wash.
My biggest dislike in the car was the hydraulic handbrake. I didn't trust it, it looked out of place, it didn't ratchet, the lock on it rattled at high rpm and once I'd fitted my new carpet if I put a normal handbrake in I'd have holes where this used to be.
It was going!
As I have e21 trailing arms and e30 rear brakes everything aft of the handbrake lever needed to be e21 parts.
These aren't cheap!
In all it cost around £250, that's for new backing plates, new cables, new shoes, 2nd hand expanding locks and 2nd hand cable supports. Luckily I had the handle and the ratchet mechanism as they were stupidly expensive.
The joys of trying to remove the rear wheel bearings with no gearbox or engine fitted.
They were tight!
Stupid disc retaining screws drilled out.
Stud easy outed
All fitted
New rear discs and pads installed too
The fan for the blower doesn't work which is a common fault with these. There's a few write ups on replacing the fan, but a lot of confusion as to what actually works especially on earlier cars like mine.
Instead of ordering a fan from the states that I couldn't even get a picture of I just chopped the old one off and installed a 6" spal radiator fan which I won on eBay for a bargain (they're £70 new!)
Heater box with original fan
Heater box split then Fan and fan cage chopped off
All build back up with new foam on the vent flaps, new seals and the fan fitted
More man hours than I care to think about went into that bloody blower, it fits and clears the wiper linkage by a few millimetres.
New extra capacity rad mounted with rivnuts.
Setrab oil cooler to replace the Mocal one that popped (the Mocal industrial one was too big)
Thermostat sandwich plate to stop cold oil flowing through the cooler
I was never happy with the way the rad fan was mounted, it was off set and picked up on the same bolts the rad was fitted with.
I replaced it with a 12" spal fan then bought some mounts, bent them and trimmed to fit.
Glued Some rubber to the mounting face so it doesn't chafe the slam panel
With oil cooler in place
This brings me to around a month ago when I could finally start fitting the carpet.
A few sheets of silent coat to take out some vibrations. Left over from my friends camper build.
It's a great match to the original
Then on to sticking (ignore the top edge, when the rear bench is in place and the top folds over it'll be straight. Honest!)
I'll be honest, although the carpet is a very good fit, I hated fitting it.
My missus on the other hand loved it so we both fitted it together. It'll be trimmed to fit round the cage
The old brake bias adjuster kept sticking so that got changed for a new one.
I made a little bracket up for it and ran some new brake lines.
Then the carpet could be fitted over the transmission tunnel. I was dreading this, thinking I was going to get brake fluid all over the carpet. I haven't fitted the drivers & passengers floor mats yet so no pictures of the whole carpet yet.
Unfortunately the drivers side over mat doesn't fit. The woman that made the carpet (Esty) is used to making LHD carpets for the US market and they have floor mounted pedals, so mirroring the LHD mat hasn't worked. I sent her an email just to let her know, and she's going to send me a new mat out, cover postage costs and offered to refund me the cost of the mat set.
As I only paid for front mats and go the rears for free I declined the refund.
I'd helped out retro engineering at Donington Historic with 2 BMW 1800s they were racing. They came 1st in class at the u2tc (I don't think it was due to me though!)
In return they did the valve guides on my head and they'll skim it too.
I popped in last week to lap my valves in then pressure test them.
Then I snapped a stud when removing them, balls. It wouldn't easy out, so I had to drill it and collapse it, turned out ok though.
After all this I didn't really want to fit the tatty e21 Recaros but quotes for trimming them were coming in at ~£900.
I was going to put the original seats back in as a stop gap however I still wasn't 100% convinced with the Recaros . I also couldn't think of a way to trim them and match the blue door cards whilst still looking good ( changing the door cards for black would be difficult as they don't come up for sale all that often and when they do they're pricey)
I started looking at cobra classic seats and popped into GSM who sell them to take a look. They're really comfy, well made and a fraction of the cost of some Recaros classic replicas (like sportsseats.com) albeit not quite up to their levels of quality.
GSM have been great and lent me a seat to try out and make sure it fits.
This is the same shape of seat I'm having, but without the quilting on the bolsters and with a dark blue chord centre. I should have them in the next few weeks.
Sample of the chord against the recaro chord, it's darker in real life, should look good.
All I need now is to do the front discs and pads, bleed the brakes, sort some fittings and oil hose out for the cooler and I'm set!
Oh and an engine!
Edited by EddyBee on Friday 28th July 17:32
Just a small update.
I bought a Gunson eezi blender so I could bleed the brakes on my own.
After fitting the bias adjuster on top of my new carpet I was paranoid about leaks, so I dropped the pressure down to 15psi and set to work.
Quick leak check and all seemed fine, then POP! brake fluid was squirting everywhere.
I'd completely forgotten that the clutch uses the same reservoir and I'd pressurised the slave cylinder. Having no release fork to contact with it just fired the piston out across my driveway!
Luckily I got the hose pipe out and sprayed everything down before the fluid started eating my paint.
I removed the slave cylinder, blanked the hose off and finished the brakes off feeling like a right plonker.
New discs and pads.
Because of the ECU and some other non standard wiring the left hand window heat duct was never plumbed in. I couldn't use the standard diameter hose as it fouled on the wiring so I bodged in a smaller diameter hose and taped it up
Like I say it's a bit of a bodge but at least I'll be able to demist that side of the window (the ecu isn't hanging by the wires, I just used some spare cable I had to hand to tie it up with)
Exhaust manifold wrapped, i'm going to bake them for a bit then seal it with high temp paint.
Seats have arrived!
Really pleased with them, been worried the blue would be a bit too much but I think it works.
I drew some mounts that would bolt to the existing rails so I could keep the forward and aft adjustment. It also means I can get in the back when needed as the new seats don't tilt.
A friend of mine cut and welded the mounts for me.
Holes drilled with a pillar drill I won on eBay for £29!
These cars have a habit of having an offset driving position when you don't use standard seats. With these mounts I could position the drivers seat more inboard on so the driving position is central. The passenger seat will be mounted slightly outboard for more elbow room.
Seats look even better in place I'm really pleased with them.
Scottos on here who is building his 2002tii (https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1685552) has offered me his rear bench so I'm going to get that fitted around the rollcage and trimmed in the same fabric as the fronts.
I know the back seats are unusable with a cage but i like the look, reminds me of classic touring cars.
My block has finally been bored and honed so I gave it another jet wash (3rd time!)
It's nice and clean now, It was filthy.
All masked up ready for paint.
Primed
Painted
The race engines that Retro Engineering build are sealed on the inside with Glyptal.
This seals the block, helps oil return and stops oil foaming on the rough surfaces.
My block probably doesn't need it, however Nigel had some left over, it looks neater and "because race car".
Cleaning the over spray/Glyptal and the bearing seats
Main caps
I also got the head back from machining too.
The crank, rods, flywheel and pistons are off getting balanced. All being well I should be assembling it all when I get back off holiday in a week or so.
I took the horrible foam socks off my throttle bodies to check what length trumpets I have to find this mess.
Trumpets are 60mm but as you can see they're battered. Think they'll be changed for some 90mm ones and I'll fit an ITG back plate and dome filter.
The IAT sensor that's mounted in the trumpet was never wired in. I'm not up to scratch with what's needed for an ECU so I don't know if I need to measure IAT (it seemed to run ok with out it) but if I do the sensor will be mounted in the filter backing plate.
That's where I'm up to at the moment.
I'm hoping my next update will be the engine assembled.
I bought a Gunson eezi blender so I could bleed the brakes on my own.
After fitting the bias adjuster on top of my new carpet I was paranoid about leaks, so I dropped the pressure down to 15psi and set to work.
Quick leak check and all seemed fine, then POP! brake fluid was squirting everywhere.
I'd completely forgotten that the clutch uses the same reservoir and I'd pressurised the slave cylinder. Having no release fork to contact with it just fired the piston out across my driveway!
Luckily I got the hose pipe out and sprayed everything down before the fluid started eating my paint.
I removed the slave cylinder, blanked the hose off and finished the brakes off feeling like a right plonker.
New discs and pads.
Because of the ECU and some other non standard wiring the left hand window heat duct was never plumbed in. I couldn't use the standard diameter hose as it fouled on the wiring so I bodged in a smaller diameter hose and taped it up
Like I say it's a bit of a bodge but at least I'll be able to demist that side of the window (the ecu isn't hanging by the wires, I just used some spare cable I had to hand to tie it up with)
Exhaust manifold wrapped, i'm going to bake them for a bit then seal it with high temp paint.
Seats have arrived!
Really pleased with them, been worried the blue would be a bit too much but I think it works.
I drew some mounts that would bolt to the existing rails so I could keep the forward and aft adjustment. It also means I can get in the back when needed as the new seats don't tilt.
A friend of mine cut and welded the mounts for me.
Holes drilled with a pillar drill I won on eBay for £29!
These cars have a habit of having an offset driving position when you don't use standard seats. With these mounts I could position the drivers seat more inboard on so the driving position is central. The passenger seat will be mounted slightly outboard for more elbow room.
Seats look even better in place I'm really pleased with them.
Scottos on here who is building his 2002tii (https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1685552) has offered me his rear bench so I'm going to get that fitted around the rollcage and trimmed in the same fabric as the fronts.
I know the back seats are unusable with a cage but i like the look, reminds me of classic touring cars.
My block has finally been bored and honed so I gave it another jet wash (3rd time!)
It's nice and clean now, It was filthy.
All masked up ready for paint.
Primed
Painted
The race engines that Retro Engineering build are sealed on the inside with Glyptal.
This seals the block, helps oil return and stops oil foaming on the rough surfaces.
My block probably doesn't need it, however Nigel had some left over, it looks neater and "because race car".
Cleaning the over spray/Glyptal and the bearing seats
Main caps
I also got the head back from machining too.
The crank, rods, flywheel and pistons are off getting balanced. All being well I should be assembling it all when I get back off holiday in a week or so.
I took the horrible foam socks off my throttle bodies to check what length trumpets I have to find this mess.
Trumpets are 60mm but as you can see they're battered. Think they'll be changed for some 90mm ones and I'll fit an ITG back plate and dome filter.
The IAT sensor that's mounted in the trumpet was never wired in. I'm not up to scratch with what's needed for an ECU so I don't know if I need to measure IAT (it seemed to run ok with out it) but if I do the sensor will be mounted in the filter backing plate.
That's where I'm up to at the moment.
I'm hoping my next update will be the engine assembled.
helix402 said:
What a lovely M10, remember the days when BMW could build a good 4 cylinder? (ok maybe the latest turbo 4s are ok-time will tell). None of this N43 etc nonsense.
Too right. This is what makes me want to keep my M10 engine (it's a really good read if anyone is interested) arguably one of the most important BMW engines made IMO.
Admittedly I don't have an M12 16v head on mine but I haven't got a spare £25k laying round!
Looks great.
I remember (when I first started driving 02's and the only classifieds were in the photocopies 02 club pamphlet!) an ad for a crated Schnitzer 16V head for the m10. I think it was £5k back then, which was pretty expensive and you could have probably bought 3 02's for that.
Much as I love my M3, this thread has me thinking of getting an 02 again. Great seat choice. Much much better than e21 Recaro.
I remember (when I first started driving 02's and the only classifieds were in the photocopies 02 club pamphlet!) an ad for a crated Schnitzer 16V head for the m10. I think it was £5k back then, which was pretty expensive and you could have probably bought 3 02's for that.
Much as I love my M3, this thread has me thinking of getting an 02 again. Great seat choice. Much much better than e21 Recaro.
Lovely 02... wonder would this interest you https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/bmw-2...
Awesome as always Ed! Can’t wait to see that engine together and envious of the seats!
Hopefully get some track time or at least drives out next year when they work! You included of course Mark, although kind of surprised to hear you may want to get rid of the m3 but if your love affair with the 02’s isn’t over then fair enough!
Funny you mention schnitzer head, sent Ed some pics of one we got in at work to sort. Sadly too far gone!
Hopefully get some track time or at least drives out next year when they work! You included of course Mark, although kind of surprised to hear you may want to get rid of the m3 but if your love affair with the 02’s isn’t over then fair enough!
Funny you mention schnitzer head, sent Ed some pics of one we got in at work to sort. Sadly too far gone!
Holy Thread Revival!
LUCY!
I have just made my first thread on here and I dropped in the 2002 as a part of my back story. Someone commented mentioning that they recognised Lucy so I just searched the forum and found this little gem.
Haven't spoken to you in a while, how is the project getting on? I think everyone would love an update...
LUCY!
I have just made my first thread on here and I dropped in the 2002 as a part of my back story. Someone commented mentioning that they recognised Lucy so I just searched the forum and found this little gem.
Haven't spoken to you in a while, how is the project getting on? I think everyone would love an update...
Dave Moore said:
Holy Thread Revival!
LUCY!
I have just made my first thread on here and I dropped in the 2002 as a part of my back story. Someone commented mentioning that they recognised Lucy so I just searched the forum and found this little gem.
Haven't spoken to you in a while, how is the project getting on? I think everyone would love an update...
Been a while since I saw that car. LUCY!
I have just made my first thread on here and I dropped in the 2002 as a part of my back story. Someone commented mentioning that they recognised Lucy so I just searched the forum and found this little gem.
Haven't spoken to you in a while, how is the project getting on? I think everyone would love an update...
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