Not Your Everyday Race Car - The Mighty Citroen
Discussion
ph9 said:
How big a job is it re-shell a car? Are you going to strip the donor car first and then swap everything (which isn't damaged) from this car to the donor shell?
Also, I read somewhere (either in this thread or in one of its links) that the race organisers recommend only using cars with low mileage. I think they said that the engines tend to blow up after 60,000 miles. Is that because the engines aren't reliable and are stressed with running flat out a lot of the time. I suppose racing makes things worse, but I imagine that even on the road a C1 will be driven pretty hard due to its relatively low performance.
Any engine that's 60,000 miles old, especially one that used primarily for short journeys (as you'd expect a C1 to be) is going to be 'tired'. Asking it then to do 24 hours at high revs is a lot for any engine. Also, I read somewhere (either in this thread or in one of its links) that the race organisers recommend only using cars with low mileage. I think they said that the engines tend to blow up after 60,000 miles. Is that because the engines aren't reliable and are stressed with running flat out a lot of the time. I suppose racing makes things worse, but I imagine that even on the road a C1 will be driven pretty hard due to its relatively low performance.
However the Toyota engine in the C1 is a strong unit - ours had done just under 50k miles, wasn't burning oil and was still strong, regularly appearing in the top 5 lap times at meetings and apart from oil changes, ran all season without issue. There were several engines which finished the Spa 24h with considerably higher mileage than ours too but obviously the fresher your engine the more reliable it's likely to be.
Hi Mark, great to read about your experiences and continued enthusiasm for the C1 racing. I've just placed an order for the kit with the club to get started on ours.
Ours has 56k miles and has received questionable maintenance. Will you do the refresh yourselves or with an engineering firm? Will it be much more than new shells?
Cheers,
Ours has 56k miles and has received questionable maintenance. Will you do the refresh yourselves or with an engineering firm? Will it be much more than new shells?
Cheers,
There's a Photobucket fix for Chrome here and a Firefox one here.
If I get time I'll go through and rehost them, but at the moment that's not possible - the fixes above should help - I use the Firefox one successfully.
The car is being rebuilt at PT Sportscars in Berkshire - although we built it in my garage PT have been running the car for the last few races of the season so they're doing the work over winter for us, including the engine rebuild. Fixing the car is the responsibility of the driver at the time of the incident so Rich took the decision to use PT (who have been great and know their stuff), rather than attempt it himself as he just doesn't have the time (which I'm glad about!).
PT will be running us next year too - with paying drivers potentially at all the meetings next year it's sensible I think to hand off responsibility to someone else so that things run smoothly, especially in the pits. It's not the cheapest option but for us it means we can sell seats to people and be better equipped to deliver some decent racing to them. It's one thing to do it yourself with mates as I've done for years, but I'd be annoyed with myself if people who'd paid for a drive missed out because we couldn't do what was required to get the car out or we took longer than necessary and paying driver's sessions were shortened.
2018 dates and entry fees are confirmed too:
April 20th 2018 Rockingham Testday & BBQ
May 11th – 12th 2018 Rockingham 3hr Race £500
May 11th – 13th 2018 Rockingham 24 hr endurance. £2600 Reserve entries only
June 9th – 10th 2018 Pembrey 4 hr Race £700
Aug 4th – 5th 2018 Snetterton 300 4hr Race £800
Aug 16th 2018 Rockingham Testday & BBQ
Aug 31st – Sep 1st 2018 Rockingham 3hr Race £500
Aug 31st – Sep 2nd 2018 Rockingham 24 hr endurance. £2600 Reserve entries only
Sept 22nd – 23rd 2018 Croft 4hr Race £700
Oct 5th-7th 2018 (tbc) Spa 24hr endurance
November 2018 Anglesey RoR 12hr Race
If I get time I'll go through and rehost them, but at the moment that's not possible - the fixes above should help - I use the Firefox one successfully.
The car is being rebuilt at PT Sportscars in Berkshire - although we built it in my garage PT have been running the car for the last few races of the season so they're doing the work over winter for us, including the engine rebuild. Fixing the car is the responsibility of the driver at the time of the incident so Rich took the decision to use PT (who have been great and know their stuff), rather than attempt it himself as he just doesn't have the time (which I'm glad about!).
PT will be running us next year too - with paying drivers potentially at all the meetings next year it's sensible I think to hand off responsibility to someone else so that things run smoothly, especially in the pits. It's not the cheapest option but for us it means we can sell seats to people and be better equipped to deliver some decent racing to them. It's one thing to do it yourself with mates as I've done for years, but I'd be annoyed with myself if people who'd paid for a drive missed out because we couldn't do what was required to get the car out or we took longer than necessary and paying driver's sessions were shortened.
2018 dates and entry fees are confirmed too:
April 20th 2018 Rockingham Testday & BBQ
May 11th – 12th 2018 Rockingham 3hr Race £500
May 11th – 13th 2018 Rockingham 24 hr endurance. £2600 Reserve entries only
June 9th – 10th 2018 Pembrey 4 hr Race £700
Aug 4th – 5th 2018 Snetterton 300 4hr Race £800
Aug 16th 2018 Rockingham Testday & BBQ
Aug 31st – Sep 1st 2018 Rockingham 3hr Race £500
Aug 31st – Sep 2nd 2018 Rockingham 24 hr endurance. £2600 Reserve entries only
Sept 22nd – 23rd 2018 Croft 4hr Race £700
Oct 5th-7th 2018 (tbc) Spa 24hr endurance
November 2018 Anglesey RoR 12hr Race
The new car is almost finished, first outing should be Feb 27th at Blyton Park.
Everything that can be replaced on the donor car has been, including swapping the leggy 162k mile engine for a 26k mile one.
Last year the grids for the club races were 12-16 in size, this the races at Snetterton, Pembrey & Croft are all sold out with reserve lists. It looks like it will be a phenomenal season of racing this year.
My licence has been renewed after my doctor was happy that I recovered after the accident in October. Roll on the 27th!
Everything that can be replaced on the donor car has been, including swapping the leggy 162k mile engine for a 26k mile one.
Last year the grids for the club races were 12-16 in size, this the races at Snetterton, Pembrey & Croft are all sold out with reserve lists. It looks like it will be a phenomenal season of racing this year.
My licence has been renewed after my doctor was happy that I recovered after the accident in October. Roll on the 27th!
we'll see you there, Car 318. My first run in the car will be Friday testing, have been round Rockingham before though so that'll help!Yeah we (well the team, I couldn't make it owing the Compacts) were there at Spa when you guys were in the accident. No where near as bad but we had damage to repair following that one owing to a team related to the Touring Cars using other cars as brakes! Still car is now all straight again and freshly painted! Livery is up next and we are good to go! Will try and say hello over the weekend if I can!
geeks said:
Yeah we (well the team, I couldn't make it owing the Compacts) were there at Spa when you guys were in the accident. No where near as bad but we had damage to repair following that one owing to a team related to the Touring Cars using other cars as brakes! Still car is now all straight again and freshly painted! Livery is up next and we are good to go! Will try and say hello over the weekend if I can!
Rumour has it that the team you mention is the reason we're all breathalysed before and during each meeting this year (an excellent idea it is too, they started at sign on for the Rockingham test day)....Fantastic thread and a fantastic story!
Some C1 / 107 / Aygos are missing the rev counter wiring but it's a rare occurance. Might be some of base spec phase 3 cars - but I'd need to double-check the facts by scouring a lot of forum threads to be sure.
I love my C1 (so much so that, after 5 years of ownership, I bought my second) and this thread makes me love it even more. Unpretentious, bare-bones motoring and does exactly what it says on the tin.
A couple of your photos of the crashed car's shell have been a useful reference for me - cheeky ask but would you mind if I used them to help others locate the airvents which leak? (Your photo perfectly illustrates the issue). No problem if not!
Enjoy May 12th!
Some C1 / 107 / Aygos are missing the rev counter wiring but it's a rare occurance. Might be some of base spec phase 3 cars - but I'd need to double-check the facts by scouring a lot of forum threads to be sure.
I love my C1 (so much so that, after 5 years of ownership, I bought my second) and this thread makes me love it even more. Unpretentious, bare-bones motoring and does exactly what it says on the tin.
A couple of your photos of the crashed car's shell have been a useful reference for me - cheeky ask but would you mind if I used them to help others locate the airvents which leak? (Your photo perfectly illustrates the issue). No problem if not!
Enjoy May 12th!
Edited by 74hc04 on Wednesday 25th April 20:57
Edited by 74hc04 on Wednesday 25th April 20:58
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