Mitsubishi Evo V and previous car history
Discussion
Unfortunately my time with the supra has ended.
it was becoming a garage ornament, 5 uses a year sort of thing. To me cars are meant to be driven and whilst having a supra was nice, not driving it sucked! this was due to having a growing family, so i set out to look for a fun car that the family could fit in for occasions and car based trips, shows, coffee mornings etc)
Enter my new Yas marina blue m4. A twin turbo straight six, rwd coupe.
Closer to the supra recipe than the new A90 in my oppinion. Its as good as a modern should be with room for child seats and all the gubbins that comes with them.
Had it a week and im very impressed so far.
it was becoming a garage ornament, 5 uses a year sort of thing. To me cars are meant to be driven and whilst having a supra was nice, not driving it sucked! this was due to having a growing family, so i set out to look for a fun car that the family could fit in for occasions and car based trips, shows, coffee mornings etc)
Enter my new Yas marina blue m4. A twin turbo straight six, rwd coupe.
Closer to the supra recipe than the new A90 in my oppinion. Its as good as a modern should be with room for child seats and all the gubbins that comes with them.
Had it a week and im very impressed so far.
Edited by Phils-Fast on Thursday 30th June 16:34
CrippsCorner said:
Growing family requires a 4 door M3 surely? 
looks awesome though; love the colour!
Ive always prefferred a coupe, more pleasing to my eyes. I did look at the F80 m3 but for my budget (sub 30k) there wasnt much around with lower than average mileage. looks awesome though; love the colour!Mr Tidy said:
An interesting history - I loved your Supra. 
But your M4 looks great in that colour and will hopefully provide similar fun!
I also loved my supra, not quite the amount of attention they draw though. Its like being a zoo animal sometimes! The colour definately swayed me, although its not an individual colour it stands out amongst a sea of blacks and greys.But your M4 looks great in that colour and will hopefully provide similar fun!
Ive owned a Mkiv TT supra. Jdm / facelift version. I brought mine back in 2003. Traded in a Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution for it. Did over 200K before passing it on, car was still on original turbos too. Still got a spare low mileage automatic gearbox in my garage as everyone was going single turbos / manual conversation at the time. Was part of the Mkiv supra . net lot / scene. Great cars, so reliable and powerful. Seats werent as comfortable as the Mkiii supras of which Ive had 3. The only thing that ever failed was the electric aerial which bent at 160mph whilst driving to Switzerland.
I also had a M3 Evo convertible at the same time as I had my supra, supra was a WIP and my M3 was a weekend car. However the supra was so much faster and more fun. E36 M3 Evo conv. I was never impressed with the speed. Never handled as well and just didnt feel like the £45K car it was. This is why I cant understand why anyone would buy one nowadays at 12-15K. The E46 M3s were so much better. I had my M3 for 20 years before seilling it. After a while it became a garage queen and rust was setting in.
Faster forward to today, Im now 50, kids, wife and I drive a 20 year old Ml55 or my 1999 Civic coupe auto. It's all about cheap motoring for me nowadays :-) Currently looking at Saab 9-3 Convertibles. Have a budget of 2.5K so might by a cheap summer runaround :-)
Simon.
sbk1972 said:
Ive owned a Mkiv TT supra. Jdm / facelift version. I brought mine back in 2003. Traded in a Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution for it. Did over 200K before passing it on, car was still on original turbos too. Still got a spare low mileage automatic gearbox in my garage as everyone was going single turbos / manual conversation at the time. Was part of the Mkiv supra . net lot / scene. Great cars, so reliable and powerful. Seats werent as comfortable as the Mkiii supras of which Ive had 3. The only thing that ever failed was the electric aerial which bent at 160mph whilst driving to Switzerland.
I also had a M3 Evo convertible at the same time as I had my supra, supra was a WIP and my M3 was a weekend car. However the supra was so much faster and more fun. E36 M3 Evo conv. I was never impressed with the speed. Never handled as well and just didnt feel like the £45K car it was. This is why I cant understand why anyone would buy one nowadays at 12-15K. The E46 M3s were so much better. I had my M3 for 20 years before seilling it. After a while it became a garage queen and rust was setting in.
Faster forward to today, Im now 50, kids, wife and I drive a 20 year old Ml55 or my 1999 Civic coupe auto. It's all about cheap motoring for me nowadays :-) Currently looking at Saab 9-3 Convertibles. Have a budget of 2.5K so might by a cheap summer runaround :-)
Simon.
The old Supra sounds great. i never gelled with mine as such. I loved driving it and owning it but had to make an excuse to drive it and it was mostly alone (we found out the mrs was pregnant the day after i bought it) haha.I also had a M3 Evo convertible at the same time as I had my supra, supra was a WIP and my M3 was a weekend car. However the supra was so much faster and more fun. E36 M3 Evo conv. I was never impressed with the speed. Never handled as well and just didnt feel like the £45K car it was. This is why I cant understand why anyone would buy one nowadays at 12-15K. The E46 M3s were so much better. I had my M3 for 20 years before seilling it. After a while it became a garage queen and rust was setting in.
Faster forward to today, Im now 50, kids, wife and I drive a 20 year old Ml55 or my 1999 Civic coupe auto. It's all about cheap motoring for me nowadays :-) Currently looking at Saab 9-3 Convertibles. Have a budget of 2.5K so might by a cheap summer runaround :-)
Simon.
I had a manual n/a supra years ago as a daily driver and that was brilliant, i knew every inch of that car and its limitations.
Edited by Phils-Fast on Thursday 30th June 16:41
So, 3 weeks into M4 ownership and theres a problem. I have discovered an oil leak! Before purchasing i read up and digested every bit of info about the car, the engine, it's issues.... oil leaks from the oil filter assembly, oil leaks from the turbo's and oil leaks from the rocker cover. All checked and all dry, happy days i thought!
I could smell warm oil after a run so i got under the car for a nose, drips on the oil sump, not major but still there. Researched and priced for a gasket, gasket and bolts are £100 sir, labour that will be £804!!!! its a subframe out and a big job.
I got half an hour to myself, so i raised the car yesterday and im hoping to investigate the leak properly over the weekend, fingers crossed its not the gasket but my luck isnt the best..
I'll keep you posted...
I could smell warm oil after a run so i got under the car for a nose, drips on the oil sump, not major but still there. Researched and priced for a gasket, gasket and bolts are £100 sir, labour that will be £804!!!! its a subframe out and a big job.
I got half an hour to myself, so i raised the car yesterday and im hoping to investigate the leak properly over the weekend, fingers crossed its not the gasket but my luck isnt the best..
I'll keep you posted...
Edited by Phils-Fast on Thursday 30th June 16:34
So we now have a 8 month old, the sump still has a leak. its not terrible so it hasnt been dealt with yet.
The m4 went in for brake fluid change service at BMW. i hate main dealers but the car has full bmw s/h so for the £84 it costs, i'll keep the bmw stamp....
It had a recall for drivers airbag as well, so they do a car check before performing the recall, they noticed the 'horrendous' leak as i knew they would, about 6 months of misting looks quite spectacular!! Then they 'looked' at the brakes and stated all 4 bleed nipples are seized and i'd require 4 new calipers.
Now im mechanically minded and love a tinker on cars, but if i wasnt and took that as gospel my £84 fluid change becomes a £2.5k caliper replacement!!
I had a dig on forums and this was happening to cars during warranty! unbelievable really that within 3 years the bleed nipple would be seized and techs would be shearing them off willy nilly.
So i now have a freeing off job that takes priority over the oil leak, one day i'll sort it, im sure. maybe when my wife ventures back to work and im not solely responsible for bringing money in to the household.....maybe.
The m4 went in for brake fluid change service at BMW. i hate main dealers but the car has full bmw s/h so for the £84 it costs, i'll keep the bmw stamp....
It had a recall for drivers airbag as well, so they do a car check before performing the recall, they noticed the 'horrendous' leak as i knew they would, about 6 months of misting looks quite spectacular!! Then they 'looked' at the brakes and stated all 4 bleed nipples are seized and i'd require 4 new calipers.
Now im mechanically minded and love a tinker on cars, but if i wasnt and took that as gospel my £84 fluid change becomes a £2.5k caliper replacement!!
I had a dig on forums and this was happening to cars during warranty! unbelievable really that within 3 years the bleed nipple would be seized and techs would be shearing them off willy nilly.
So i now have a freeing off job that takes priority over the oil leak, one day i'll sort it, im sure. maybe when my wife ventures back to work and im not solely responsible for bringing money in to the household.....maybe.
Plus Gas is your friend,
They can't be that bad if I can free off the ones on a 20 year old Defender with no issues.
Is this a weird case of dissimilar metals, stainless nipple in billet alloy caliper?
Even if it sheers off a left handed drill bit should remove it without issue, I've used them a lot on ABS sensor screws stuck in uprights.
They can't be that bad if I can free off the ones on a 20 year old Defender with no issues.
Is this a weird case of dissimilar metals, stainless nipple in billet alloy caliper?
Even if it sheers off a left handed drill bit should remove it without issue, I've used them a lot on ABS sensor screws stuck in uprights.
Right, so i have'nt updated in a while. Bmw main dealers had told me that the bleed nipples were all seized and i needed new calipers!
I expected a fight to free the nipples off, so soaked them in plus gas for a few days prior. Gave them a light tweak with a spanner and they all came undone easily. So i decided if i replaced them with new ones the BMW techs would see shiny new things and not be scared, poor lambs.
Went in again for them to complete the job and they managed it. £80 lighter but all good.
I expected a fight to free the nipples off, so soaked them in plus gas for a few days prior. Gave them a light tweak with a spanner and they all came undone easily. So i decided if i replaced them with new ones the BMW techs would see shiny new things and not be scared, poor lambs.
Went in again for them to complete the job and they managed it. £80 lighter but all good.
Edited by Phils-Fast on Wednesday 14th June 12:58
I had phoned about for quotes to get my sump gasket leak sorted, BMW wanted £1200 and indy's best was around £500. its a labour intensive job (subframe off)
Decided that i could do the job myself if i could get the spare time. With a work shutdown coming up (end of may) the wife said she could keep the kids busy if i wanted to attempt it.
GAME ON!
Parts were ordered from Leicester Sytner from a nice bloke on the facebook owners club, new aluminium one use bolts, gasket and 7 litres of millers from Opie oils.
I gave myself 2 days to complete, as we know best laid plans and all that.
Day One
First job, jack up your car...i got it as high as my halfords axle stands would allow, this job would have been a million times easier with a ramp or even a pit!
These F8x generation cars have a lot of underbody covers, covers to protect the oil cooler, wheel arch covers, and a front structural plate. they all tie in together.
i bagged the screws as i went and zip tied them to the parts as i removed them.
Space was a major factor in the garage, these parts are large and expensive for what they are, so care has to be taken.
To remove the subframe you have to unplug the electric steering rack, so i disconnected the battery to be safe. This was my first mistake, disconnected and shut the boot......it wont open now and i need the towing eye which doubles as the engine lift hook.
so que 2 hours of fighting with the rear seats to get access, they split fold from a handy lever, in the boot! so i had to remove them from their mounts and seperate the 60/40 joint. then i managed to squeeze my 6'2'' frame half way into the boot so i could reach the lever. success, but wasted time and it was bloody hot in the garage.
finally i could get into the boot and retrieve the towing eye, except it doesnt fit! FFS!!!
Lots of googling later, it turns out you have to use an e36/46/92 towing hook the F8x one doesnt fit the thread.
A call to my bestie and owner of an e91 and he agreed to drop it round the following day.
Decided that i could do the job myself if i could get the spare time. With a work shutdown coming up (end of may) the wife said she could keep the kids busy if i wanted to attempt it.
GAME ON!
Parts were ordered from Leicester Sytner from a nice bloke on the facebook owners club, new aluminium one use bolts, gasket and 7 litres of millers from Opie oils.
I gave myself 2 days to complete, as we know best laid plans and all that.
Day One
First job, jack up your car...i got it as high as my halfords axle stands would allow, this job would have been a million times easier with a ramp or even a pit!
These F8x generation cars have a lot of underbody covers, covers to protect the oil cooler, wheel arch covers, and a front structural plate. they all tie in together.
i bagged the screws as i went and zip tied them to the parts as i removed them.
Space was a major factor in the garage, these parts are large and expensive for what they are, so care has to be taken.
To remove the subframe you have to unplug the electric steering rack, so i disconnected the battery to be safe. This was my first mistake, disconnected and shut the boot......it wont open now and i need the towing eye which doubles as the engine lift hook.
so que 2 hours of fighting with the rear seats to get access, they split fold from a handy lever, in the boot! so i had to remove them from their mounts and seperate the 60/40 joint. then i managed to squeeze my 6'2'' frame half way into the boot so i could reach the lever. success, but wasted time and it was bloody hot in the garage.
finally i could get into the boot and retrieve the towing eye, except it doesnt fit! FFS!!!
Lots of googling later, it turns out you have to use an e36/46/92 towing hook the F8x one doesnt fit the thread.
A call to my bestie and owner of an e91 and he agreed to drop it round the following day.
DAY 2
So i had the correct towing eye and i'd borrowed an engine support beam (sits accross the inner wings and stops the engine sitting on you)
After jigging about the beam, had to lift it on wood due to the E9x towing eye being a bit too long we had a supported engine, now i'll rattle of the following bits to remove the subframe.
-Unbolt engine mounts and lift the engine roughly 10mm
-remove the bolts holding the 2 coolers, one either side of the front wheel arch and shift the coolers down and out the way. Bmw put a subframe bolt right behind them!!
-undo the electrical connections for the steering rack and the UJ for the column
-Now remove the arms from the hub...thats 3 ball joints per side that you could damage the boots of. not happening!
So i decided a work around was to remove the brake calipers and pinch pin to the strut and lower the lot, hubs and all.
Deadlifted that into the garden to make some space to work,
offending item off, cleaned both mating surfaces and refitted with new gasket and bolts. about 32 bolts in fact.
Easy as that, as Mr Haynes said, refitting is the reverse sequence to removal...
Well it would be if you didnt snap the first sump bolt you tried to torque up! no swearing, it was beyond that. it had been a long day it was hot etc, i hadnt heard the torque wrench click and thought this is taking a bit to tighten, went 360 round before it snapped, flush to the block....in my defence 8lb/ft, 60 degrees can be achieved using a tool i keep in my trousers!!
Im a bit of an overthinker, so i couldnt leave this as a what if for the night, id go insane. So armed with my black and decker corded drill, cheap ass 3mm drill bit and the only remaining easy out that hadnt been sacrificed to previous 'Jobs'
i pushed the thought of 'im drilling too close to my block on a 30k car' to the back of my mind and went to work.
i breathed the deepest sigh of relief, loosely wound 2 bolts back in, (had to remove all 32 to take the sump off in the hope there was thread protruding, there wasnt) retired to the house for a beer and a sit down.
So i had the correct towing eye and i'd borrowed an engine support beam (sits accross the inner wings and stops the engine sitting on you)
After jigging about the beam, had to lift it on wood due to the E9x towing eye being a bit too long we had a supported engine, now i'll rattle of the following bits to remove the subframe.
-Unbolt engine mounts and lift the engine roughly 10mm
-remove the bolts holding the 2 coolers, one either side of the front wheel arch and shift the coolers down and out the way. Bmw put a subframe bolt right behind them!!
-undo the electrical connections for the steering rack and the UJ for the column
-Now remove the arms from the hub...thats 3 ball joints per side that you could damage the boots of. not happening!
So i decided a work around was to remove the brake calipers and pinch pin to the strut and lower the lot, hubs and all.
Deadlifted that into the garden to make some space to work,
offending item off, cleaned both mating surfaces and refitted with new gasket and bolts. about 32 bolts in fact.
Easy as that, as Mr Haynes said, refitting is the reverse sequence to removal...
Well it would be if you didnt snap the first sump bolt you tried to torque up! no swearing, it was beyond that. it had been a long day it was hot etc, i hadnt heard the torque wrench click and thought this is taking a bit to tighten, went 360 round before it snapped, flush to the block....in my defence 8lb/ft, 60 degrees can be achieved using a tool i keep in my trousers!!
Im a bit of an overthinker, so i couldnt leave this as a what if for the night, id go insane. So armed with my black and decker corded drill, cheap ass 3mm drill bit and the only remaining easy out that hadnt been sacrificed to previous 'Jobs'
i pushed the thought of 'im drilling too close to my block on a 30k car' to the back of my mind and went to work.
i breathed the deepest sigh of relief, loosely wound 2 bolts back in, (had to remove all 32 to take the sump off in the hope there was thread protruding, there wasnt) retired to the house for a beer and a sit down.
DAY 3
Torqued the bolts correctly for the sump, (well i probably did 90 degrees instead of 60, easier to judge by eye) chucked it all back together and put all the covers back on.
It was a long job, would have been 2 days without the issues but saved £1100 off BMW's bill, that was a key factor in keeping me sane :-)
Re-connected the battery, filled it with 6litres of oil and turned the key - she lives. ran it to temp and added the remaining litre of oil (great idea not having a dipstick!!)
after removal of subframe its good practice for alignment.
took it to a mate with a hunter kit and the rear toe and camber bolts are seized. not to clog up his ramp i agreed to free them, so thats a job for this weekend.
Oh and having turned on the ignition i found i have a service, the big one, oil change, spark plugs and filters £860 from bmw, local indy is doing it for £500.
Torqued the bolts correctly for the sump, (well i probably did 90 degrees instead of 60, easier to judge by eye) chucked it all back together and put all the covers back on.
It was a long job, would have been 2 days without the issues but saved £1100 off BMW's bill, that was a key factor in keeping me sane :-)
Re-connected the battery, filled it with 6litres of oil and turned the key - she lives. ran it to temp and added the remaining litre of oil (great idea not having a dipstick!!)
after removal of subframe its good practice for alignment.
took it to a mate with a hunter kit and the rear toe and camber bolts are seized. not to clog up his ramp i agreed to free them, so thats a job for this weekend.
Oh and having turned on the ignition i found i have a service, the big one, oil change, spark plugs and filters £860 from bmw, local indy is doing it for £500.
Edited by Phils-Fast on Wednesday 14th June 13:00
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