Porsche 911 997.1 Daily Driver
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Over 3 weeks and 1200 miles into having the car, I'm still loving every minute in it.
I took the 911 to its first car show on Saturday. (Late Brake Show Live Manchester).
The show was really good and special guest Colin Furze was a fascinating person to have there.
There was a fair few 911's at the show, all in varying specs and models. There was even a 997 with over 100k miles , so this gives me hope for mine as I expect it to hit that mileage in the next 2 years.
I saw/heard a 996 Carrera 4s with a miltek exaust that sounded amazing, it has got me thinking, it had the perfect sound but wasn't too loud.
It was really nice to share the car with others and see many other great cars. Id recommended the show and I'll definitely be going back to it if they do another one.
I took the 911 to its first car show on Saturday. (Late Brake Show Live Manchester).
The show was really good and special guest Colin Furze was a fascinating person to have there.
There was a fair few 911's at the show, all in varying specs and models. There was even a 997 with over 100k miles , so this gives me hope for mine as I expect it to hit that mileage in the next 2 years.
I saw/heard a 996 Carrera 4s with a miltek exaust that sounded amazing, it has got me thinking, it had the perfect sound but wasn't too loud.
It was really nice to share the car with others and see many other great cars. Id recommended the show and I'll definitely be going back to it if they do another one.
Iv now had the car for just over a month and in that time I have covered about 2000 miles.
I had chance at the weekend to fetch the car on some nice windy roads in the peak district, one of the nicest things about the car is how the steering feels, its not too heavy, nor is it too light.
I'm still getting used to the car (this has over 220hp more than the car I was previously used to, so I'm taking it very slow and don't plan on pushing the car too much until the weather gets gets better next year) but it was a delight on the twisty roads, and more than enough power for me, if anything too much.
Current plan is to go up to Scotland in may/june next year to replicate the 2k mile road trip that I took the mg on this summer.
But untill then the 911 will continue with daily duties on the way to 100k miles, my MG is being put away for the winter so I'm down to the 911 as my only car (we wont count my old daily Toyota Aygo that is currently in pieces in the garage) , so it might be time for some winter tyres/wheels.
I had chance at the weekend to fetch the car on some nice windy roads in the peak district, one of the nicest things about the car is how the steering feels, its not too heavy, nor is it too light.
I'm still getting used to the car (this has over 220hp more than the car I was previously used to, so I'm taking it very slow and don't plan on pushing the car too much until the weather gets gets better next year) but it was a delight on the twisty roads, and more than enough power for me, if anything too much.
Current plan is to go up to Scotland in may/june next year to replicate the 2k mile road trip that I took the mg on this summer.
But untill then the 911 will continue with daily duties on the way to 100k miles, my MG is being put away for the winter so I'm down to the 911 as my only car (we wont count my old daily Toyota Aygo that is currently in pieces in the garage) , so it might be time for some winter tyres/wheels.
Edited by adean22 on Monday 15th November 16:33
Nice one! They are great cars, really enjoyed mine.
I'd recommend having a go on the Porsche Silverstone experience days. You'll get to drive on their track and do the skid pans and low friction circuits. I found it great for helping improve my driving experience. For me, the most valuable thing was understanding the limits of the car and that particular realisation of just how easily and badly it can go wrong (on the wet kick-plates in particular).
Its a safe way to explore the limits and its a lot of fun too!
https://www.porsche.com/silverstone/en/
I'd recommend having a go on the Porsche Silverstone experience days. You'll get to drive on their track and do the skid pans and low friction circuits. I found it great for helping improve my driving experience. For me, the most valuable thing was understanding the limits of the car and that particular realisation of just how easily and badly it can go wrong (on the wet kick-plates in particular).
Its a safe way to explore the limits and its a lot of fun too!
https://www.porsche.com/silverstone/en/
I'm about 3000 miles into ownership now, including some trips to work in the snow (my MG is currently in for a new clutch and my aygo ran out of MOT so had no choice but to use the 911).
Now iv had the car for a while there is a few things that I want to improve on the car. These are:
1. Reduce Road/tyre noise - tyre noise in this car seems really loud - Car has pilot sport 4s on so could just be noisy tyres?
2. Change bushes in the shifter mechanism (I feel like after 96k miles the shift isnt as precise as it once was)
3. Install some Bluetooth connectivity - I want to keep the oem headunit so I'm thinking something like the mobridge unit that will give me bluetooth on the oem headunit
4. Install some DRL's on the front. I like the look of the ones that replace the standard fog lights/indicators.
Now iv had the car for a while there is a few things that I want to improve on the car. These are:
1. Reduce Road/tyre noise - tyre noise in this car seems really loud - Car has pilot sport 4s on so could just be noisy tyres?
2. Change bushes in the shifter mechanism (I feel like after 96k miles the shift isnt as precise as it once was)
3. Install some Bluetooth connectivity - I want to keep the oem headunit so I'm thinking something like the mobridge unit that will give me bluetooth on the oem headunit
4. Install some DRL's on the front. I like the look of the ones that replace the standard fog lights/indicators.
LanceRS said:
In all of my reading about such things, tyre noise would appear to be a 911 trait, regardless of generation.
It is probably more noticeable to you because you drive other things that have smaller, quieter tyres.
The road noise is about the only thing I dislike about my 997.2.It is probably more noticeable to you because you drive other things that have smaller, quieter tyres.
Well done on racking up the miles. Must be interesting in the snow!
I agree on the road noise, if I had kept it longer that would have been top of the list. There are some good threads on 911UK covering the topic. There is next to no soundproofing on the rear arches or firewall and people have good results covering the area with dynamat or similar. Reasonably easy job too.
I agree on the road noise, if I had kept it longer that would have been top of the list. There are some good threads on 911UK covering the topic. There is next to no soundproofing on the rear arches or firewall and people have good results covering the area with dynamat or similar. Reasonably easy job too.
ballans said:
Well done on racking up the miles. Must be interesting in the snow!
I agree on the road noise, if I had kept it longer that would have been top of the list. There are some good threads on 911UK covering the topic. There is next to no soundproofing on the rear arches or firewall and people have good results covering the area with dynamat or similar. Reasonably easy job too.
It was better than I expected in the snow, but still terrible. I was silly fetching it out really but it was that or walk to work.I agree on the road noise, if I had kept it longer that would have been top of the list. There are some good threads on 911UK covering the topic. There is next to no soundproofing on the rear arches or firewall and people have good results covering the area with dynamat or similar. Reasonably easy job too.
Thanks for the info about sound deadening, iv had a look online and have now ordered these:
Ill see how it improves it, hopefully it does.
Just thought id give a little update on the car.
The cars still going great and the miles are still racking up on it - not far from 100k miles now, however I'm now partly working from home so iv dropped down to doing about 600 miles a month from about 2000.
The seller also kindly included some nice thule roofbars when I bought the car, of which iv been putting to good use.
I'm still looking out for an aero roofbox, however I do keep thinking about a roof tent aswell. But with the price of roof tents I think a roofbox is more likely.
The cars still going great and the miles are still racking up on it - not far from 100k miles now, however I'm now partly working from home so iv dropped down to doing about 600 miles a month from about 2000.
The seller also kindly included some nice thule roofbars when I bought the car, of which iv been putting to good use.
I'm still looking out for an aero roofbox, however I do keep thinking about a roof tent aswell. But with the price of roof tents I think a roofbox is more likely.
Its been nearly 6 months with the car now so i thought id do a 6 month update. The cars currently sitting at 98,189 miles. Less miles than I originally expected to do due to working from home over Christmas until march.
I purchased some LED rear lights for the car in February (as can be seen in the photo - is a poor photo but the only photo I can find). They came up for a good price and I'm still not sure if I prefer them to the stock ones, iv kept the stock ones so can always be swapped back if needed.
(also note the reg that came with the car - is pretty handy considering my names Andrew. It also reads a bit like "Another Car" which is rather suiting for me. I believe the car came with that reg from factory)
People with a keen eye may also spot a different air intake pipe on the car. I purchased the air intake resonator blanking plug and pipe from Spyder performance as I heard it make the car sound nicer under load.
The difference is subtle but from 4k plus you can definitely hear the intake noise more so before, and it is a rather nice noise indeed - makes it rather addictive to drive in the upper RPMS - surprisingly my license has stayed clean up until now.
On my to do list is a set of new PS4S tyres and a service in the coming months - I live near Hartech so ill be booking it in with them.
I know a few people are interested in the cost of running so here's a little breakdown of all the costs incurred so far: (I'll base these numbers on 6 months of ownership)
Road Tax - £300 (half of the £600 I paid for a year)
Insurance - £1000 (half of what I paid for the year). Yes, it is a large amount but im still young and insurance for a 22 year old on a 3.8 litre car is never gonna be cheap - I can confirm its worth every penny though
Fuel - £1850 (rough calculation putting fuel at £1.55 a litre and averaging 19 MPG over 6 months for the approx 5000 Miles iv done)
Additional parts/Mods - £405 (this includes engine mounts, ctek charger port, intake pipe bypass and rear LED tail lights)
Excluding the cost of purchasing the car it sits me at £3,555 to run the car for 6 months. In my opinion I think this is pretty good considering its factoring in my high insurance and high fuel costs etc. I think its a bargain for the amount of time it makes me smile and the fact that I love every minute that I'm in the car.
I expect the 12 months cost to be more than double this as it will include a service and new tyres, and lets be honest, something's bound to break on a nearly 100k 15 year old car. I'm guessing it to sit me at around 10k a year for maintenance + running, ill take that as a win to be able to drive round in my dream car everyday.
Ill also attach the build sheet with the options on the car as I know some people may find it interesting/informative.
I purchased some LED rear lights for the car in February (as can be seen in the photo - is a poor photo but the only photo I can find). They came up for a good price and I'm still not sure if I prefer them to the stock ones, iv kept the stock ones so can always be swapped back if needed.
(also note the reg that came with the car - is pretty handy considering my names Andrew. It also reads a bit like "Another Car" which is rather suiting for me. I believe the car came with that reg from factory)
People with a keen eye may also spot a different air intake pipe on the car. I purchased the air intake resonator blanking plug and pipe from Spyder performance as I heard it make the car sound nicer under load.
The difference is subtle but from 4k plus you can definitely hear the intake noise more so before, and it is a rather nice noise indeed - makes it rather addictive to drive in the upper RPMS - surprisingly my license has stayed clean up until now.
On my to do list is a set of new PS4S tyres and a service in the coming months - I live near Hartech so ill be booking it in with them.
I know a few people are interested in the cost of running so here's a little breakdown of all the costs incurred so far: (I'll base these numbers on 6 months of ownership)
Road Tax - £300 (half of the £600 I paid for a year)
Insurance - £1000 (half of what I paid for the year). Yes, it is a large amount but im still young and insurance for a 22 year old on a 3.8 litre car is never gonna be cheap - I can confirm its worth every penny though
Fuel - £1850 (rough calculation putting fuel at £1.55 a litre and averaging 19 MPG over 6 months for the approx 5000 Miles iv done)
Additional parts/Mods - £405 (this includes engine mounts, ctek charger port, intake pipe bypass and rear LED tail lights)
Excluding the cost of purchasing the car it sits me at £3,555 to run the car for 6 months. In my opinion I think this is pretty good considering its factoring in my high insurance and high fuel costs etc. I think its a bargain for the amount of time it makes me smile and the fact that I love every minute that I'm in the car.
I expect the 12 months cost to be more than double this as it will include a service and new tyres, and lets be honest, something's bound to break on a nearly 100k 15 year old car. I'm guessing it to sit me at around 10k a year for maintenance + running, ill take that as a win to be able to drive round in my dream car everyday.
Ill also attach the build sheet with the options on the car as I know some people may find it interesting/informative.
Edited by adean22 on Monday 4th April 11:26
Edited by adean22 on Monday 4th April 11:31
Glad to see young petrolheads still exist 
My nephew also has a similar 911 at 23, he uses it daily and it lives outside in the street. It’s just his car, but he has that smile that only comes from 911 ownership!
Not a fan of the LED rear lights, but maybe it’s just the picture, easily changed back though if (when!) you change your mind.
My nephew also has a similar 911 at 23, he uses it daily and it lives outside in the street. It’s just his car, but he has that smile that only comes from 911 ownership!
Not a fan of the LED rear lights, but maybe it’s just the picture, easily changed back though if (when!) you change your mind.
AyBee said:
30% of a cars value to run it for a year? Ouch!
I do think its fair to say that a lot of people can afford to purchase an expensive car that's depreciated hugely, however many can't afford to run them. Its easy to forget how expensive the cars were new. I paid the same price as a new base spec VW golf, however my running costs match a car that is 100k new. I'm sure it would be cheaper to run a brand new 911, however I didn't have a spare 75k additional to purchase a new one.If we do estimate 10k a year to run it (everything in) it would come to about 40% of the purchase price, ouch. Oh well, we only have one life don't we. 10k a year is better than me sat at home with a boring car thinking "I wish I had a 911".
I don't even want to do the math's of how much of the cars value my MG costs me to run each year, 300% a year would be about right, ouch.
What a great thing man maths is.
Edited by adean22 on Monday 4th April 15:57
There is a world of difference from experiencing a great car when you are young and affording one when you are old. I did this myself and no regrets. I have bought good cars later but the best was when I got cars ( much used) that were very good cars.
Great for you and you will never regret it!
Great for you and you will never regret it!
Car still running great, touching 99k miles now.
However, the other night I noticed a huge oil patch under the car . The oil wasn't engine oil (that was a relief), it appeared to be gearbox oil. After getting the car jacked up and having a good luck underneath it appeared to be coming from where the driveshaft goes into the diff/gearbox as can be seen below
The leak is fairly bad so I got underway with stripping everything down ready to replace the seal.
First job was to unbolt the driveshaft from the inner cv joint flange - this was done with 6 8mm hex bolts
It was now time to drain the gearbox so the entire contents didn't come out when the inner joint was pulled out.
These gearboxes are meant to hold around 2.9 liters but about 3.3 liters came out - and that's after a good few hundred ml had leaked out. So I'm guessing the gearbox had been overfilled previously which has potentially lead to the seal giving way. The oil looked fairly old so it had been running at overfilled for some time.
Removing the inner joint proved to be very difficult and wasn't for moving at all - I didn't like the idea of prying it out with a pry tool between the gearbox casing and the joint, if the gearbox casing gaveway before the joint it would of been an expensive mistake.
I needed a slide hammer to remove it, luckily my work has a HGV fleet maintenance in house which means I have a huge array of tools that I can borrow at any time. So I borrowed a slide hammer with a chain attachment, wrapped the chain around the joint and the joint came straight out. I then popped the seal off and cleaned up the mating surface. I'm now waiting for my local OPC to have the seal and springclip in stock and then I can go about refitting everything and putting in some new gearbox oil - the correct amount.
Reasons like the overfilling of the gearbox is the main reason I do work on my cars myself, it's the only way I can be sure that everything is done how it should be done. A garage that is busy and trying to get cars in and out aren't going to be as careful and meticulous as myself who can approach everything slowly in no rush. I document everything with pictures and keep all the receipts to build up my own service records.
However, the other night I noticed a huge oil patch under the car . The oil wasn't engine oil (that was a relief), it appeared to be gearbox oil. After getting the car jacked up and having a good luck underneath it appeared to be coming from where the driveshaft goes into the diff/gearbox as can be seen below
The leak is fairly bad so I got underway with stripping everything down ready to replace the seal.
First job was to unbolt the driveshaft from the inner cv joint flange - this was done with 6 8mm hex bolts
It was now time to drain the gearbox so the entire contents didn't come out when the inner joint was pulled out.
These gearboxes are meant to hold around 2.9 liters but about 3.3 liters came out - and that's after a good few hundred ml had leaked out. So I'm guessing the gearbox had been overfilled previously which has potentially lead to the seal giving way. The oil looked fairly old so it had been running at overfilled for some time.
Removing the inner joint proved to be very difficult and wasn't for moving at all - I didn't like the idea of prying it out with a pry tool between the gearbox casing and the joint, if the gearbox casing gaveway before the joint it would of been an expensive mistake.
I needed a slide hammer to remove it, luckily my work has a HGV fleet maintenance in house which means I have a huge array of tools that I can borrow at any time. So I borrowed a slide hammer with a chain attachment, wrapped the chain around the joint and the joint came straight out. I then popped the seal off and cleaned up the mating surface. I'm now waiting for my local OPC to have the seal and springclip in stock and then I can go about refitting everything and putting in some new gearbox oil - the correct amount.
Reasons like the overfilling of the gearbox is the main reason I do work on my cars myself, it's the only way I can be sure that everything is done how it should be done. A garage that is busy and trying to get cars in and out aren't going to be as careful and meticulous as myself who can approach everything slowly in no rush. I document everything with pictures and keep all the receipts to build up my own service records.
Edited by adean22 on Friday 22 April 09:03
Still waiting on the diff seal from OPC so thought i'd make the most of the car being in the air and go about installing a low temperature thermostat (LTT). Hartech (highly regarded Porsche specialist - conveniently a few miles away from my house) recommend this and say it reduces the chances of bore scoring. The cars at nearly 100k so its had plenty of time to bore score so i doubt it will make much difference, however it cant do any harm can it.
Firstly I went about popping off the coolant pipe to drain some of the coolant, only about 4 litres came out which is good. I was worried the entire 32 litres would come pouring out. Once this was drained I could remove the standard thermostat. This is done by removing 5 E10 screws in really awkward tight locations.
The thermostat was marked up with 2006 so its safe to assume it was the original thermostat, even if the LTT makes no difference at least I can class it as some preventative maintenance.
It was then time to install the new stat in the reverse order I removed the old one, including a new gasket. This went back together easy enough and I reconnected the coolant pipes ready to top the coolant back up.
I filled back up the coolant and bled it a few times and the install is now done. Just got to wait for my OPC to get the seal in stock and the entire car can go back together.
I started looking at installing a 3rd radiator but they seem to have mixed reviews so I'll have to wait till I'm more informed to make that decision. Any advice on the 3rd radiator would be much appreciated
Firstly I went about popping off the coolant pipe to drain some of the coolant, only about 4 litres came out which is good. I was worried the entire 32 litres would come pouring out. Once this was drained I could remove the standard thermostat. This is done by removing 5 E10 screws in really awkward tight locations.
The thermostat was marked up with 2006 so its safe to assume it was the original thermostat, even if the LTT makes no difference at least I can class it as some preventative maintenance.
It was then time to install the new stat in the reverse order I removed the old one, including a new gasket. This went back together easy enough and I reconnected the coolant pipes ready to top the coolant back up.
I filled back up the coolant and bled it a few times and the install is now done. Just got to wait for my OPC to get the seal in stock and the entire car can go back together.
I started looking at installing a 3rd radiator but they seem to have mixed reviews so I'll have to wait till I'm more informed to make that decision. Any advice on the 3rd radiator would be much appreciated
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