Jaguar F-Pace Non Runner
Discussion
Jhonno said:
A.J.M said:
paradigital said:
Dave211 said:
Why stuff in an engine of unknown internals. A new crank with rods pistons and bearings with all the associated seals/gaskets is about £1500.
It’s a simple enough motor to rebuild.
Have you read the rest of the thread?It’s a simple enough motor to rebuild.
The engine has already been rebuilt a few times…
Edited by A.J.M on Tuesday 23 April 19:52
Maybe trust a genuine F pace engine and not an XE engine over the bag of bits?
Escy said:
Today has taken the wind out of my sails.
The advert for the engine I'd seen was a picture of a nice shiny engine, clearly low mileage. I'd been sent a video of it running.
I wasn't going to give a deposit or anything in case I got ripped off. I can't get any time off work at short notice so I'd organised for someone local who I use all the time to go grab it for me. I'd asked him to send me some pictures when he got there. He sent me these. It looked alright but I had my boss moaning about me being distracted, the seller asking me for payment and the driver messaging me all at the same time. I didn't look at these as closely as I should have and didn't compare it to the advert photos. It looks decent.
We got it unloaded at my end, this was a total nightmare. My garage has a steep slope. I need the engine in the back of the garage but I have 2 other engines in the way and the car in the way. The plan was to connect the battery, release the handbrake, roll the car out on the winch, put the handbrake on then use the winch to drag the engine in on a skate. That plan got scuppered, the Jaguar went into melt down with all the control units not connected and it wouldn't let me release the handbrake or steering lock. Plan B was to put the rear wheels on skates, slide the car as far over as possible and see if we could squeeze the engine through the gap between the car and the door. The wheel on the skate broke which wasn't ideal but it was far enough over at that point. That worked just about, we had my engine crane holding the engine and we had to use the winch to drag crane in.
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The engine was in but I had other stuff in the way, which had to be put anywhere we could. It's total carnage. I was glad the guy who collected it helped me do all this, I would have been bang in trouble on my own.
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Once the engine is in I had a look at it and the penny dropped. It's a Jaguar XE engine, 2015 vintage. No front diff, different sump, different gearbox (less valuable).
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I could make it work by putting my sump on, and swapping over any other parts needed. I'm worried they'll be lots of small differences which become a pain in the arse. It's also an unknown quantity, I don't think I've got the appetite to take a chance on it in the long term as an ownership proposition.
The seller is making out it's an honest error and says he has the correct engine. He's said I can go back and swap it (it cost me £300 to get it collected today). If I hire a van and go on Friday it'd probably cost me about £150 but it's hassle to load and unload it, especially on my own.
There were more than a few red flags with the seller so I think this is a blag anyway. they've probably done it on purpose. Apparently he'll do video call tomorrow showing me the right engine. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now but if they've done me over, I'll go into a bit more depth on it, it's quite interesting and seems dodgy. This thread could go off on a crime thriller tangent.
But to sum it all up, I've been working my balls off the last few days and I'm thoroughly deflated now. I'm just sick of constant drama, everything seems to be a struggle lately.
CThe advert for the engine I'd seen was a picture of a nice shiny engine, clearly low mileage. I'd been sent a video of it running.
I wasn't going to give a deposit or anything in case I got ripped off. I can't get any time off work at short notice so I'd organised for someone local who I use all the time to go grab it for me. I'd asked him to send me some pictures when he got there. He sent me these. It looked alright but I had my boss moaning about me being distracted, the seller asking me for payment and the driver messaging me all at the same time. I didn't look at these as closely as I should have and didn't compare it to the advert photos. It looks decent.
We got it unloaded at my end, this was a total nightmare. My garage has a steep slope. I need the engine in the back of the garage but I have 2 other engines in the way and the car in the way. The plan was to connect the battery, release the handbrake, roll the car out on the winch, put the handbrake on then use the winch to drag the engine in on a skate. That plan got scuppered, the Jaguar went into melt down with all the control units not connected and it wouldn't let me release the handbrake or steering lock. Plan B was to put the rear wheels on skates, slide the car as far over as possible and see if we could squeeze the engine through the gap between the car and the door. The wheel on the skate broke which wasn't ideal but it was far enough over at that point. That worked just about, we had my engine crane holding the engine and we had to use the winch to drag crane in.
IMG_20240423_233230771The engine was in but I had other stuff in the way, which had to be put anywhere we could. It's total carnage. I was glad the guy who collected it helped me do all this, I would have been bang in trouble on my own.
IMG_20240423_160833255_HDROnce the engine is in I had a look at it and the penny dropped. It's a Jaguar XE engine, 2015 vintage. No front diff, different sump, different gearbox (less valuable).
IMG_20240423_160827504IMG_20240423_160844680I could make it work by putting my sump on, and swapping over any other parts needed. I'm worried they'll be lots of small differences which become a pain in the arse. It's also an unknown quantity, I don't think I've got the appetite to take a chance on it in the long term as an ownership proposition.
The seller is making out it's an honest error and says he has the correct engine. He's said I can go back and swap it (it cost me £300 to get it collected today). If I hire a van and go on Friday it'd probably cost me about £150 but it's hassle to load and unload it, especially on my own.
There were more than a few red flags with the seller so I think this is a blag anyway. they've probably done it on purpose. Apparently he'll do video call tomorrow showing me the right engine. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now but if they've done me over, I'll go into a bit more depth on it, it's quite interesting and seems dodgy. This thread could go off on a crime thriller tangent.
But to sum it all up, I've been working my balls off the last few days and I'm thoroughly deflated now. I'm just sick of constant drama, everything seems to be a struggle lately.
ts.The only word for me.
Oh mate, that's a real kick in the nuts and I continue to admire your willingness to share these never-ending nut-shots with the world. If it helps, there's a huge amount of goodwill in this thread wishing you a positive outcome to all this. One way or the other, you'll get out the other side of it.
At the risk of sounding incredibly patronising, I really think you need to take moment and think your next few steps through - I get the sense that you're rushing (with a lot on your plate) while trying to do something horrifically complicated, logistically, physically and financially. The more you rush, the more mistakes will happen.
Take a breath - map out the next few steps (getting shot of the erroneous motor and ideally getting the right one) and build from there.
Best of luck.
At the risk of sounding incredibly patronising, I really think you need to take moment and think your next few steps through - I get the sense that you're rushing (with a lot on your plate) while trying to do something horrifically complicated, logistically, physically and financially. The more you rush, the more mistakes will happen.
Take a breath - map out the next few steps (getting shot of the erroneous motor and ideally getting the right one) and build from there.
Best of luck.
BenS94 said:
Megaflow said:
LunarOne said:
Megaflow said:
Cts.
The only word for me.
Yes, but what about for the seller?ts.The only word for me.
Wow, sorry for this situation OP. I know how annoyed I was when I had the same situation with a drill bit set for a few pounds, and I never forgave the scammer seller. It must be devastating with a few £ thousands on a part that big.
Like someone says above, take a few hours and a few breaths to consider your next move.
Maybe continuing is the right plan. but then again ....
Like someone says above, take a few hours and a few breaths to consider your next move.
Maybe continuing is the right plan. but then again ....
I haven't read every single word of the last 94 pages, but, er, is the time not approaching when the wisest thing would be to draw stumps?
Return that last engine to the seller, sell up all the other bits, realise what you can and buy something roadworthy?
Of course, PH would be less exciting!
Return that last engine to the seller, sell up all the other bits, realise what you can and buy something roadworthy?
Of course, PH would be less exciting!
Alickadoo said:
I haven't read every single word of the last 94 pages, but, er, is the time not approaching when the wisest thing would be to draw stumps?
Return that last engine to the seller, sell up all the other bits, realise what you can and buy something roadworthy?
Of course, PH would be less exciting!
Swapping engines seems to be what the OP does for fun, and this is one fresh engine away from the car they want. Return that last engine to the seller, sell up all the other bits, realise what you can and buy something roadworthy?
Of course, PH would be less exciting!
ecsrobin said:
LunarOne said:
Swapping engines seems to be what the OP does for fun, and this is one fresh engine away from the car they want.
They hope. It will still be an engine that has a reputation….Escy said:
There were more than a few red flags with the seller so I think this is a blag anyway. they've probably done it on purpose. Apparently he'll do video call tomorrow showing me the right engine. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now but if they've done me over, I'll go into a bit more depth on it, it's quite interesting and seems dodgy. This thread could go off on a crime thriller tangent.
That's an utter bummer. "too good to be true", with 20:20 hindsight.Even if he shows you an actual F-Pace engine, you can't be sure it's the low-mileage running one.
I stripped down the old engine. The sump is fill of metal pieces and thick gunge. The cylinder head was clean and the bottom end bearings look decent enough so it's not made it's way through the whole engine but it doesn't look like an instant failure.
The bores from underneath. Only one was replaced when it was repaired before I bought it. I'm not totally sure which one. I think it's cylinder 1 which has failed. If you look at where the clearance notch for the rod is on bore 2, it looks like that liner has rotated in the bore.
Closer photo of cylinder 1. You can also see on the side the notch I'm talking about on cylinder 2.
After the fuel injector theory mentioned a couple of pages back I took them to get tested. The injector for cylinder 1 had the return rate too high so that cylinder would have been running lean. I'm not totally sure what that means with diesel engines so I asked a guy who knows. He said "running lean isn't bad in a diesel engine but it's common for a failed injector to destroy a piston or liner". That was also on the link posted the other day but was about too rich rather than lean. The guy I asked went on to say "bad atomisation causes bad combustion, hot spots and even hydraulic erosion of the piston."
I don't know what to make of it all. One liner has dropped, one looks like it's rotated in the bore - this might have been the reason the engine was locked up rather than the one that dropped. Then add in the fuel injector. I'm kind of glad the failure doesn't seem related to my work on it.
The bores from underneath. Only one was replaced when it was repaired before I bought it. I'm not totally sure which one. I think it's cylinder 1 which has failed. If you look at where the clearance notch for the rod is on bore 2, it looks like that liner has rotated in the bore.
Closer photo of cylinder 1. You can also see on the side the notch I'm talking about on cylinder 2.
After the fuel injector theory mentioned a couple of pages back I took them to get tested. The injector for cylinder 1 had the return rate too high so that cylinder would have been running lean. I'm not totally sure what that means with diesel engines so I asked a guy who knows. He said "running lean isn't bad in a diesel engine but it's common for a failed injector to destroy a piston or liner". That was also on the link posted the other day but was about too rich rather than lean. The guy I asked went on to say "bad atomisation causes bad combustion, hot spots and even hydraulic erosion of the piston."
I don't know what to make of it all. One liner has dropped, one looks like it's rotated in the bore - this might have been the reason the engine was locked up rather than the one that dropped. Then add in the fuel injector. I'm kind of glad the failure doesn't seem related to my work on it.
surveyor said:
Does that mean the engine has found another way of killing itself, or was this caused by or a symptom of the original failure?
Given that the injector on cylinder one was running to lean, which does not affect diesels at all, they run lean by design. I suspect this failure is related to the original failure and the repair work to replace the liners. IIRC it had 2 cylinders done, give number 1 has dropped and number 2 has rotated, I am going to say those are the ones that were done. I also suspect we have got to the bottom of why it has also sounded noisy.
Dr G said:
Megaflow said:
I also suspect we have got to the bottom of why it has also sounded noisy.
I wondered this on looking through the pictures; what does the #1 rod look like? Could it have been touching the liner for some time?Or, the end of the beginning?
I just cannot see a happy ending to this...
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