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chuntington101

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123 months

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Thursday 7th June 2012 quote quote all
There should be plenty of options for the manaro (gto in the us) for rear end upgrades. I will have a look an see if i can find something.

papercup

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106 months

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Apparently, these went in by the skin of Craig's teeth.....not an easy job at all. Next he has to make them look as they did before, with the bezels fitted. Craig loves me hippy

papercup

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radiomike said:
Andy, I am working with 4P on our conversion and have the Camaro LS3/6060 in the workshop. The 'box does have an internal oil pump, what I am not so sure about is whether it is pumped lubrication or just a circulating pump for the cooler. The Camaro piping system uses quick release connectors into adaptors screwed into the 'box, one is high up at the front on the left and the other is low down on the right of the bellhousing. We have the metal OE pipes and I don't see a problem running a pair of flexible pipes but I suspect it is necessary to link the ports even if not using a cooler. Let me know if you need any pics or further info.

It turns out that my TR-6060 is not the same as the one on the Camaro SS that 4Packet/Radiomike and Taz (one of Craig's mates with a car build by him) has.

For a start the bellhousing bolts on mine go through the gearbox and into the bellhousing; so the gearbox bolt holes are not threaded, and you could therefore undo the gearbox from the bellhousing and remove it, leaving the bellhousing attached to the car. You cannot do this on the Camaro 'box; the bolts start in the bellhousing, and the bellhousing bolt holes are not threadeed, and the bolts thread into the gearbox. So you cannot remove the gearbox from the bellhousing without removing the whole thing from the car.

The Camaro has a temp gauge fitted low and near the back of the 'box. Mine does not. It also has an oil pump and assorted piping where mine does not. I remain convinced that my gearbox will overheat like the last one did, but my attempts to find an easily-added aftermarket cooling kit for it (or even something 'OEM')I have failed so far. I may talk to some of the yank tranny shops, but I fear my blood pressure will stop me doing so; my annoyance at their appalling service and lack of communication skills has already been documented on this thread...

Also, I found a thread yesterday while googling where some Tremec guys were talking about the TR-6060. Apparently its name comes from the fact it is rated for 600 horses and 600 foot pounds. Elsewhere I've seen it rated for only 420 foot pounds, but this is because it is rated at that in a certain car. A heavy american car, no doubt, or something equally pie-favouring such as a Monaro. So no worries there.

It seems strange that even the Wiki page does not cast any light onto why these things are different; while the cooler and temp gauge can be explained away as being fitted by the OEM (Chevy, who make the Camaro), the changes in bellhousing, casing, and mountings seem weird. It appears there are several TR-6060 variants out there. The ZR-1 version (with LS9) is rated at 640 foot pounds. The Camaro one is rated at 420. I think it may be that this is because of the yank's notoriously litigious legal culture; they say its 420 so when you tune your car and the box explodes because you went drag racing, you can't sue anyone.

But my box should be the same as the Camaro one. The plate on it reads 'TUET10310-b' and googling that shows you that the ratios are the same as the Camaro (3.01 first gear). I see it for sale in Oz, and note that it may be the HSV version; its rated for all VE V8 applications, most of the LS series, and its for the HSV 427 engines (thats 7 litre). So there's nothing wrong with it per se, its just different in application than the Camaro one.

None of which i care about, apart from the fact I think its going to overheat when I rag the car senseless round a track for a whole session.

To the phones then....

papercup

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2,261 posts

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Sunday 24th June 2012 quote quote all
I was up at Craig's yesterday, catching up with everyone there. Had an interesting chat with Blair about the airocn cut-out; he has a cunning plan which doesn't involve the use of a window switch. More later, if it works.

Some random pics I took;

Standard oil cooler replaced by something larger and more substantial



Just a shot of my new shiny ussy arms, chinky driveshaft and new subframe, purely because I love how they look, and they won't be this clean and shiny for long!



The clearance when those new lights open; not very much!

Blair357ci

1,084 posts

95 months

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Sunday 24th June 2012 quote quote all
papercup said:
I was up at Craig's yesterday, catching up with everyone there. Had an interesting chat with Blair about the airocn cut-out; he has a cunning plan which doesn't involve the use of a window switch. More later, if it works.
Would this be the same plan I had when you first mentioned it..... Bloody customers! Now aim your mouse at my thread & tell PH's what you think about my car....
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4packet

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113 months

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Monday 25th June 2012 quote quote all
Just had to rewind back to pg 6 to remind myself why your oil cooler is on the drivers side! What temperature were you getting to with the stock cooler? Got me worried now. Also what do you use for a PS cooler.

Meant to ask you and Taz at the track if you have had any issues maintaining oil pressure during prolonged high G turns? Assume you have a sump baffle? I've read that the push rod V8 suffers from oil return issues so controlling the oil in the sump isn't the only issue. Packaging an accusump looks tricky in the FD engine bay.

Keep us posted on the AC idea. I think the tricky thing is controlling it with some hysteresis. A trinary pressure switch may work but would probably keep cutting in and out

With regards the TR6060, do you know if the VXR8 has a trans cooler? The Camaro was specced with an oil to water cooler for the engine while the base Corvette and VXR8 were not. The weight and duty cycle of the Camaro called for it apparently.

papercup

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Monday 25th June 2012 quote quote all
4packet said:
Just had to rewind back to pg 6 to remind myself why your oil cooler is on the drivers side! What temperature were you getting to with the stock cooler? Got me worried now.
At goodwood, 90 water and 100 oil. At Snetterton 300, it crept up and up and I got to 120 oil when i did a slow lap. Hence the new cooler.

4packet said:
Also what do you use for a PS cooler.
Its on the early pages, i think when the oil cooler changed sides, there's a little dinky p/steering cooler in front of it.

4packet said:
Meant to ask you and Taz at the track if you have had any issues maintaining oil pressure during prolonged high G turns? Assume you have a sump baffle? I've read that the push rod V8 suffers from oil return issues so controlling the oil in the sump isn't the only issue. Packaging an accusump looks tricky in the FD engine bay.
Nope, never had an issue, and I only now have a sump baffle, i didn't before.

4packet said:
Keep us posted on the AC idea. I think the tricky thing is controlling it with some hysteresis. A trinary pressure switch may work but would probably keep cutting in and out
I'm only cutting it out for revs, its using the rest of the Mazda system for pressure. There's no low pressure, only high, I think. Its all earlier in the thread somewhere!

4packet said:
With regards the TR6060, do you know if the VXR8 has a trans cooler? The Camaro was specced with an oil to water cooler for the engine while the base Corvette and VXR8 were not. The weight and duty cycle of the Camaro called for it apparently.
No idea on the VXR8 but it weighs a sodding ton (well, closer to two!), so it probably has one?

tinker-27

830 posts

111 months

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Monday 25th June 2012 quote quote all
Vxr8 does not have one ,

4packet

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113 months

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Tuesday 26th June 2012 quote quote all
tinker-27 said:
Vxr8 does not have one ,
This makes sense as to why your TR6060 doesn't have a cooler then Andy. The Camaro team must have been far more conservative with regards to thermal risk than the HSV guys.

Thanks for the above reponses. I can see the PS cooler now (pg5)! Reassuring you've had no issues with oil pressure, one less thing to worry about.

papercup

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2,261 posts

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Saturday 30th June 2012 quote quote all
The headers and downpipes came back from Zircotec a few weeks back, so Craig was then able to make the Y-Pipe to the mid-box again. As we had some time until the propshaft arrived, I sent that off to Zircotec could ceramic-coat it as well. The idea is to bring temperates down in the engine bar and the car, and this is the bit of the pipe that will sit under the front of the tunnel, where heat normal pours in near your knee from the centre console. So what the hell, what is another £200? That brings the total for ceramic coating to £1000-odd. Hope it works.

So that Y-Pipe is back as well and the whole thing is fitted, and it looks very smart. Pictures don't really do it justice, its a sort of metallic graphite colour, with spangly silver bits. Now I've made it sound like something Elvis would wear rolleyes

Anyway, here is a few pictures, but you need to see it 'in the flesh' really.



smile



With that fitted, the car started up for the first time today. Sounds great. Quiet, quieter than the LS2 as I stand next to it. Seems crisper off the throttle as well. I guess it should be, its brand new. Mapping booked for 18th July, but maybe there'll be a cancellation sooner.

papercup

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Saturday 30th June 2012 quote quote all
The other big news; propshaft arrived yesterday morning smile



Thats mine at the bottom and Craig's at the top. You can see the differences on the left-hand-side; the TR-6060 has a better mount with a nicer coupling compared to the T56 mount above.

Here it is fitted to the gearbox, with the newly-fitted, ceramic-coated Y-Pipe:



Being carbon fibre, its wider than a normal prop, so unfortunately, having fitted it at the rear and bolted up the newly-fitted mid-box, the back of the mid-box is too close to the prop, so the diff needs to move up; whole rear suspension out again and more welding for Craig frown

Onward and upward. Also still to do is the headlamps, the aircon cut-out at higher revs, and Craig has copied my Spa gauges (seen earlier in the thread) but also bought the one that does Volts and Fuel Level, to replace the standard Mazda fuel gauge. This would be useful, I already have two of the Spa gauges, and the standard Mazda fuel gauge now looks out of place on that side of the dash, so I think thats going to have to be fitted as well smile

carl0s

434 posts

115 months

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Saturday 30th June 2012 quote quote all
papercup said:
The other big news; propshaft arrived yesterday morning smile



Thats mine at the bottom and Craig's at the top. You can see the differences on the left-hand-side; the TR-6060 has a better mount with a nicer coupling compared to the T56 mount above.

Here it is fitted to the gearbox, with the newly-fitted, ceramic-coated Y-Pipe:
Is that an Rzeppa constant velocity joint? I was looking in to them when I wanted to annihilate vibration from my rear end.
A lot of people were telling me it was bad theory to have a CV joint on one end and a non-CV (UJ) on the other. It's interesting to hear the TR-6060 uses a CV. I wonder if the OE application uses a CV on the rear or a UJ like you are using?
Anyway, there was a guy in the states who bought an identical-ish propshaft to yours, from the same people, and he said it fixed all his vibration problems. I think he has a souped up 1970s Pontiac.


Edited by carl0s on Saturday 30th June 18:48

tinker-27

830 posts

111 months

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Saturday 30th June 2012 quote quote all
M3 bmws etc run a cv one end and not the other , we are using it to replace a rubber donut , they use that front ent set up on GTOs etc and new camaros , let's hope they work well they do look good !!

Blair357ci

1,084 posts

95 months

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Tuesday 3rd July 2012 quote quote all
Your ricer has made the latest (August) edition of Performance BMW magazine.....

papercup

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2,261 posts

106 months

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Friday 13th July 2012 quote quote all
A few pics of the work Craig is doing to get those different headlamps into my Knightsports bezels.







Edited by papercup on Friday 13th July 13:24

papercup

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Blair357ci

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95 months

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What's the other one look like wink

Aircon, speaker box, lights & guages all done smile

papercup

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Blair357ci said:
What's the other one look like wink

Aircon, speaker box, lights & gauges all done smile
ooh great work mate. does the petrol gauge work then?

no probs with the 'aircon cutout master plan' then?

Blair357ci

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All working just needs the petrol gauge setting up




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