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samuelellis

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1,776 posts

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
Ok this is just a few photos of what is happening to my humble Mundane Diesel estate, what is happening is not the usual PH fare of more power and add lightness so can we please take any potential "You have ruined your car oh nooooes" and "why have you not just shoehorned the mother of all engines in" as read as i will enjoy the car when it is finished but as it is as mad and oddball as shoehoring a v8 into an mx5 i figured some of you may be interested just because of how daft it is

And besides we need pointless cars out on the roads

First off the car





Its a Mondeo with a derv - all simple and boring so far

Now for what is happening it it
6 batteries in the boot
2 1kwish amps for the front speakers
1 3kw amp for the subwoofers
8 JL Audio 12inch woofers
no rear seats
6.5 inch speakers in the kickbuilds
tweeters in the a-pillars
8inch midbass speakers in the doors

Now it is shipped off to my friends bodyshop


Blacked out windows suit it



Stripped and sound-deadened


First part of the speaker enclosure installed - this is going to be a 6th order bandpass box so the woofers will fire into that piece of MDF and that should load the cone and keep it under control


Should i not have a door here?

Ah here it is


carcase of the speaker box going in




Front end amplifier1

The other side of the car is the same


mmm dusty - how many detailers have just had a heart attack

Woofer baffle





Still dusty


And that is the car as it stands as my friend is currently working on it, as i said i know its not the usual PH Fare but then again any mad project is good to see and the outside of the car is staying pretty much standard so it will be funny when Chavvy McCorsa trys annoying people with bassline only to be handed hsi arse by a Mondeo and slayer (BTW i wont be booming town centres with it - that annoys me as much as it does everyone else)

Edited by samuelellis on Sunday 19th December 15:48

rb5230

5,616 posts

59 months

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
why?

samuelellis

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
rb5230 said:
why?
Why not, the car was cheapish, Ihave not got any children and I like my music to physically hurt from time to time

As i said its no madder than build a drag racer as that only runs for a few seconds and you cant do your family shop in it or stripping your car out to its bare minimum when you still need to use it to sit in traffic and go to work

Shaw Tarse

22,881 posts

90 months

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
If you want to fit a wine rack in your car then wink TBH not what I'd choose to do, but if you like your ICE, then hats off to you, and I look forward to finished project. thumbup

rb5230

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
samuelellis said:
rb5230 said:
why?
Why not, the car was cheapish, Ihave not got any children and I like my music to physically hurt from time to time

As i said its no madder than build a drag racer as that only runs for a few seconds and you cant do your family shop in it or stripping your car out to its bare minimum when you still need to use it to sit in traffic and go to work
I would say it is quite different to building a drag/track car, in fact the polar opposite i e performance gains and driving experience.

A car with good quality 1 sub and an amplifier in the boot is very loud if you like that kind of thing, to me this just seems a massive waste of time/money unless you are trying to start up some kind of mobile rave business.
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Slagathore

3,986 posts

79 months

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
Is all that dust from the MDF?

I hope you've been wearing a decent mask while cutting that MDF, as the dust is pretty bad for you!!


samuelellis

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
rb5230 said:
samuelellis said:
rb5230 said:
why?
Why not, the car was cheapish, Ihave not got any children and I like my music to physically hurt from time to time

As i said its no madder than build a drag racer as that only runs for a few seconds and you cant do your family shop in it or stripping your car out to its bare minimum when you still need to use it to sit in traffic and go to work
I would say it is quite different to building a drag/track car, in fact the polar opposite i e performance gains and driving experience.

A car with good quality 1 sub and an amplifier in the boot is very loud if you like that kind of thing, to me this just seems a massive waste of time/money unless you are trying to start up some kind of mobile rave business.
And the difference in volume level between one woofer and 8 is quite different, the difference in sound quality of large amplifiers barely stressed compared to a smaller amp run at the ragged edge is different as well

Explain the driving experience gains to having a stripped out car plod up and down the motorway every day as that is what mine does, i will lose very little ride comfort and it should actually be quieter on the motorway road noise wise. I cant see that being the same in a track car or a drag car

What you define as loud and what i define as loud are two different things, for example this is my old car ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhntpTimwVI ) and i did not consider that to be too loud

Shall we just agree to disagree

samuelellis

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Slagathore said:
Is all that dust from the MDF?

I hope you've been wearing a decent mask while cutting that MDF, as the dust is pretty bad for you!!
its my friend that build it, some of the dust is MDF, some is it is bodyfiller dust as the enclosure has bodyfiler in it to smooth the joins where the MDF meets.

You do make a valid point about the mask and yes he does use one as he runs his own bodyshop (its where the car is being built) but it is a point worth stressing to people who may want to build a speaker enclosure themselvesthat when working with MDF ALWASY WEAR A MASK

rb5230

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
samuelellis said:
And the difference in volume level between one woofer and 8 is quite different, the difference in sound quality of large amplifiers barely stressed compared to a smaller amp run at the ragged edge is different as well

Explain the driving experience gains to having a stripped out car plod up and down the motorway every day as that is what mine does, i will lose very little ride comfort and it should actually be quieter on the motorway road noise wise. I cant see that being the same in a track car or a drag car

What you define as loud and what i define as loud are two different things, for example this is my old car ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhntpTimwVI ) and i did not consider that to be too loud

Shall we just agree to disagree
I suppose we can only agree to disagree, but i would also say anyone who drives a stripped out car everyday to travel lond distances is as barmy as you are.

The difference is if you listen to music as loud as i imagine u are wanting to you WILL permanently damage your hearing and it seems just for the sake of "why not?", this is scientifically proven, whereas the nutter in the stripped out car is unlikely to.

Good luck with that.

Thejimreaper

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When would you ever get the most out of that, not like you would drive round playing it out that loud. I take it you will be doing some things to the outside. Is it a promo car or something?

Slagathore

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
samuelellis said:
Slagathore said:
Is all that dust from the MDF?

I hope you've been wearing a decent mask while cutting that MDF, as the dust is pretty bad for you!!
its my friend that build it, some of the dust is MDF, some is it is bodyfiller dust as the enclosure has bodyfiler in it to smooth the joins where the MDF meets.

You do make a valid point about the mask and yes he does use one as he runs his own bodyshop (its where the car is being built) but it is a point worth stressing to people who may want to build a speaker enclosure themselvesthat when working with MDF ALWASY WEAR A MASK
Ahh, should be OK then!

Yeah, not everyone is aware of just how bad the dust is from MDF.


samuelellis

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Thejimreaper said:
When would you ever get the most out of that, not like you would drive round playing it out that loud. I take it you will be doing some things to the outside. Is it a promo car or something?
Hope the outside is staying as stock as it can - the only thing will be the tinted windows, a bit lower rideheight and a small sticker for my friends bodyshop where it was built

Is it a promo car? Nope all built out of my pocket and built for me, it will get used at fulltilt from time to time when it gets taken to sound-offs as i compete in them but for most of the time the speakers will live an unstressed life

PLamborghini

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
samuelellis said:
And the difference in volume level between one woofer and 8 is quite different, the difference in sound quality of large amplifiers barely stressed compared to a smaller amp run at the ragged edge is different as well

Explain the driving experience gains to having a stripped out car plod up and down the motorway every day as that is what mine does, i will lose very little ride comfort and it should actually be quieter on the motorway road noise wise. I cant see that being the same in a track car or a drag car

What you define as loud and what i define as loud are two different things, for example this is my old car ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhntpTimwVI ) and i did not consider that to be too loud

Shall we just agree to disagree
you should get it to this level of crazy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cedfX-gzHuM&fea...wink

Taita

5,482 posts

90 months

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Sunday 19th December 2010 quote quote all
Does normal music sound good with that setup? Or just the sort of 'fart noise' from the clip?

samuelellis

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Taita said:
Does normal music sound good with that setup? Or just the sort of 'fart noise' from the clip?
Yes it does, the fart noise is just the camera not able to cope with the volume and the mic distorting, i fully intend to feed everything from classical to death metal through mine when it is finished and will welcome people having a listen if they wish. You would be surprised how many cars with setups like this are driving around the UK, the reason you dont know about them is once you own something weaponsgrade its only really played at high level at shows and i know a lot of the people who own these things have self rules about using them

It is weird being in these vehicles as you just start laughing - as far as i can work out it causes the bit of the brain that still goes "ugg ugg me kill dinosaur" to think your being attacked so just get a hit of adrenaline and god knows what else

PaulG40

2,244 posts

112 months

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Monday 20th December 2010 quote quote all
I prefer to have good hearing for the rest of my life thanks. Not my cup of tea, but if thats your bag and you enjoy it, fair enough.

scorchio

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HI mate what kind of spl are you aiming for as years ago when i paid aome attention to sound offs they were aiming for 150-160db, I asume the roof and all panel have been full sound deadened with dynamat as there is nothing worse than buzzing panels with bass, is it set just for spl or are you trying for some sq, know its going to be difficult with stageing with that flat wall of woofers

samuelellis

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scorchio said:
HI mate what kind of spl are you aiming for as years ago when i paid aome attention to sound offs they were aiming for 150-160db, I asume the roof and all panel have been full sound deadened with dynamat as there is nothing worse than buzzing panels with bass, is it set just for spl or are you trying for some sq, know its going to be difficult with stageing with that flat wall of woofers
I have no idea how loud it will be, the fella building it has built a nova (yes a Nova) that did a 170 but that was well into the extremes of it, i know mine will be nowehre near as loud

All the panels have been sound-deadened but with a product the guy who runs DB Drag racing brings in that does the job better

It is my only car so it will have decent SQ from the frontend, tbh the soundstage may not be all that bad as its the front speakers that handle most fo that and if those are set right then the brain can be trucked into beliving the soundstage is good (and lets be honest your never going to get it spot on in a car)

Fun Bus

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Um. Where to start. Well, I admire the fact you are doing something utterly different and daft in a good way.

I just don't get why you're doing it to a jewish racing gold Mondeo, diesel, estate. I suppose it's a Q-car of sorts!

Muzzer

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samuelellis said:
for most of the time the speakers will live an unstressed life
Then I have to ask, why build it?

Fair enough if you like your stereos and stuff - build an ICE car. But surely not using it to the max from time to time is like having a supercar and driving round at 50mph all the time?
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