500+bhp Mk3 Fiesta Project

500+bhp Mk3 Fiesta Project

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juan king

1,093 posts

189 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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mwstewart said:
Thanks - very interesting! I now see the offset platforms smile
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aspirated

2,539 posts

146 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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juan king said:
mwstewart said:
Thanks - very interesting! I now see the offset platforms smile
This Is why I love pistonheads
+1

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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Minor update. The tank is finished but I'm not happy with it - neither the look of it or its weight - so it's now being used to get quotes for an aluminium copy.

I'm also in discussion with ATL regarding a custom moulded HDPE (plastic) version.

Tiger Tim

1,810 posts

222 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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ATL would make the most sense. At least you know it'll be spot on and pressure tested, insulated etc. Not cheap but you haven't taken short cuts so far. No point starting now.

How long do you expect the front suspension assembly to take to complete?

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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Can i suggest a "halfway house"?

Take you steel tank, and "wrap it" in kevlar. Easy to do, adds massive strength, and will look good. If you then finished it with a black "gel coat" (or similar) it would look just like a plastic tank, pretty much be as strong as a plastic tank. Other than a slight weight penalty it's be great, and much better than an ally tank, which tbh, i wouldn't use "unprotected" under a car for fear of piercing type impacts etc etc

TheJimi

24,959 posts

243 months

Saturday 8th March 2014
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I like that idea, sounds like a good compromise to me.

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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This morning Ian sent through some engine progress photos.

Here are the custom rods:


The block required various clearance pockets for the billet crank



The standard Ford oil jets were fouled by the new crank, so Ian has worked out another solution.


Here's the crank fitted.


The next step on the engine is to finalise the piston design and then order a set. The car itself is going away in two weeks time to have the front suspension designed and machined. The estimate for that work is 4-6 weeks.

dom9

8,068 posts

209 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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Quick question...

Does this need to seal?



Apologies for my poor IT skills!

Keep up the good work!

Will be interested in the suspension updates over the next few weeks!

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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dom9 said:
Quick question...

Does this need to seal?



Apologies for my poor IT skills!

Keep up the good work!

Will be interested in the suspension updates over the next few weeks!
No, it doesn't. There's an allot endplate not attached in that photo, which is the sealing surface for the sump.

I've annotated the following photo to help illustate:


Green line represents the gasket.

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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P.S. The bore hole is one of the index marks used when machining the block - it doesn't actually serve any purpose beyond the initial manufacturing process.

dom9

8,068 posts

209 months

Wednesday 26th March 2014
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mwstewart said:
P.S. The bore hole is one of the index marks used when machining the block - it doesn't actually serve any purpose beyond the initial manufacturing process.
Good stuff, cheers biggrin

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Monday 31st March 2014
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Because I'm doing something weird with the coilovers - keeping them near maximum ride height - the helper springs are redundant and when compressed under load rob me of a good 50mm of further adjustment. The standard rear configuration was 20-60-80 helpers with a 30-200 main spring, which is KW parlance for the following:

20-60-80 = 20 N/mm spring rate (114.20 lb/in), 60mm dia, 80mm length
30-200 = 30 N/mm spring rate (171.30 lb/in), 200 length. Not shown: KW part number 60110069 (10mm wire diameter, 124mm spring travel)

I've got rid of the helpers and ordered a pair of rear springs that are the same length as the uncompressed original springs and helpers - ~300mm. Original configuration on the left, modified on the right.


The new springs are 50-300, so 285.50 lb/in. They are KW 60110057 (12mm wire diameter, 135mm spring travel). This is a 60% increase in spring rate, which is my estimate at the new baseline that takes into account the additional weight of the rear suspension & larger fuel tank, and also the way I want the car to respond. Further tuning will obviously take place once the car is ready for corner weighting.

For reference here is a KW motorsport spring brochure http://www.kw-suspensions.co.uk/pdf/KW-racingsprin... It took me a while to find that.

neilbauer

2,467 posts

183 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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14 days I'm getting Fiesta withdrawal frown

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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I had arranged to drop off the car to http://mkmotorsport.co.uk/ on Sat April 5th, but Mark still has too many cars in his workshop so I'm waiting for him to finish a few projects, hopefully any time soon.

Mark needs the Fiesta for between four and six weeks.

neilbauer

2,467 posts

183 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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mwstewart said:
I had arranged to drop off the car to http://mkmotorsport.co.uk/ on Sat April 5th, but Mark still has too many cars in his workshop so I'm waiting for him to finish a few projects, hopefully any time soon.

Mark needs the Fiesta for between four and six weeks.
What are you having done there?

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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neilbauer said:
What are you having done there?
Billet front arms and hubs to suit the Clio RS front end suspension. Also some new rear end parts to suit a different set of rear AP's (later model), and a bespoke dry sump incorporating a crankshaft girdle.

vrooom

3,763 posts

267 months

Monday 14th April 2014
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Very interesting build, If im not mistaken, won't angled shock needed different spring rate? more inclined the shock is, stiffer the shock it will be? It would affect the feel of steering as well, it would make car more responsive and maybe less side bite? just thought.

mwstewart

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7,587 posts

188 months

Tuesday 15th April 2014
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Thank you. I will spend more time on spring rates once the car is complete.

This evening I fitted the new rear springs and also adjusted the rear camber & toe to a reasonable baseline ready for further tuning.

The rear ride height now quite civilised.

neilbauer

2,467 posts

183 months

Wednesday 16th April 2014
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Did you decide on wheels, or are you going with them?

EarlOfHazard

3,603 posts

158 months

Sunday 22nd June 2014
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Any updates on the Fiesta?? smokin