500+bhp Mk3 Fiesta Project

500+bhp Mk3 Fiesta Project

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mwstewart

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7,600 posts

188 months

Sunday 13th December 2015
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Remagel2507 said:
Which data are you after? I might have an old disc lying around somewhere. Failing that I have access to online systems so might be able to get some of the info you are looking for
Thank you for the offer, but I've managed to get a local copy of eTIS smile

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 13th December 2015
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You're pretty much doing exactly what we did back in 2002 when we developed the Mk1 RS, ie chasing round the Ford Parts bin to find stuff that can be bodged together to make it work.... ;-)



(TBH, i'm bloody glad i've never had to use an Rcon ever again!)

AER

1,142 posts

270 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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It wasn't a bodge! In the end Ford spent £300k on reworking the code to adopt boost control for the EEC-V.

All the earlier iterations were bodges though, I'll give you that!

Chapppers

4,483 posts

191 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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£300k sounds like bodge money in Ford terms...

mwstewart

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7,600 posts

188 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Max_Torque said:
You're pretty much doing exactly what we did back in 2002 when we developed the Mk1 RS, ie chasing round the Ford Parts bin to find stuff that can be bodged together to make it work.... ;-)



(TBH, i'm bloody glad i've never had to use an Rcon ever again!)
AER said:
It wasn't a bodge! In the end Ford spent £300k on reworking the code to adopt boost control for the EEC-V.

All the earlier iterations were bodges though, I'll give you that!
Do either of you know what sort of RPM the FRS EEC-V ECU can cope with? Will it work with 8k?

I've been told there's some kind of limitation restricting anything above 7k, which sounds low.

GreatGranny

9,128 posts

226 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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I did a little yeeees! and fist pump when I saw this being resurrected :-)

Excellent thread.

AER

1,142 posts

270 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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mwstewart said:
Do either of you know what sort of RPM the FRS EEC-V ECU can cope with? Will it work with 8k?

I've been told there's some kind of limitation restricting anything above 7k, which sounds low.
It's over a decade since I worked on the project, so there's nothing that detailed left in my memory! I can't see why it wouldn't run to that speed, limiter notwithstanding. Nothing stopping you from testing to see what happens - just inject a dummy encoder signal into the cranks sensor input - the sort of things that arduinos do in my life these days...

mwstewart

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7,600 posts

188 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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AER said:
It's over a decade since I worked on the project, so there's nothing that detailed left in my memory! I can't see why it wouldn't run to that speed, limiter notwithstanding. Nothing stopping you from testing to see what happens - just inject a dummy encoder signal into the cranks sensor input - the sort of things that arduinos do in my life these days...
Good idea, thanks. Excuse for me to play with an Arduino smile

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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The std lookup tables obviously will only be referenced to 7krpm (7200 rings a bell for some reason), which might be what people are talking about, but you need to just suitably modify the Axis lineariser parameter to have valid interpolation above that. AER might be able to remember where the std limiter was set? (6800??)


I've probably got a pre-production memory map archived somewhere (it won't be fully accurate for the production release, but there is a good chance it's just an ROM index offset away) I obviously can't just give it to you, but i'm sure if you wanted to know where specific values were located, i could give you some hints.........

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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AER said:
It wasn't a bodge! In the end Ford spent £300k on reworking the code to adopt boost control for the EEC-V.

All the earlier iterations were bodges though, I'll give you that!
You're not wrong, pity they had spend another £300k before that trying to cut corners eh!! ;-)

mwstewart

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7,600 posts

188 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Max_Torque said:
The std lookup tables obviously will only be referenced to 7krpm (7200 rings a bell for some reason), which might be what people are talking about, but you need to just suitably modify the Axis lineariser parameter to have valid interpolation above that. AER might be able to remember where the std limiter was set? (6800??)


I've probably got a pre-production memory map archived somewhere (it won't be fully accurate for the production release, but there is a good chance it's just an ROM index offset away) I obviously can't just give it to you, but i'm sure if you wanted to know where specific values were located, i could give you some hints.........
Thanks Max, much appreciated. That's over my head but I will discuss with Sabre.

broster

489 posts

177 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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To make life easier with mapping etc, you can buy a single ecu code from SCT (superchips custom tuning - not to be confused with superchips in the UK) this translated all the data for you and allows you to rescale the rpm axis so it can read higher, obviously if you go too high it will end up loosing defination. but an extra 1000 rpm will be ok.
It never used to be that costly either. will save some messing around?

mwstewart

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7,600 posts

188 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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Max, AER - Leighton from Sabre may get in touch regarding going beyond 8k. Thanks in advance for any help you can give.

broster - thank you. I have some more reading to do!

Robfow

243 posts

228 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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You're in good hands with Leighton and Paul smile

cossy400

3,161 posts

184 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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WOW, you lot just carry on amongst yourselves,


Ill await the pictures, and still be puzzled lol

Glad the loves been found again for this project thou Mark, top work as always

arsenalmorris

415 posts

127 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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RumbleOfThunder said:
This is the "whoosh!" part of the build for me laugh.
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RumbleOfThunder

3,554 posts

203 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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arsenalmorris said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
This is the "whoosh!" part of the build for me laugh.
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Nerd springs!

neilbauer

2,467 posts

183 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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Pictures required smile

Lampredi

5 posts

144 months

Monday 28th December 2015
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Oh well ... it's christmas time but! We want updates biggrin

n3il123

2,607 posts

213 months

Monday 15th February 2016
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Groan.... bumped for an advert.. imagine the disappointment.