993 c2s // kds keltec.. Amazing!
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Jason GT 650 said:
Jaykaybi said:
There are two things you have to know about Kelly. The first is that he has no known equal, no competition to fear, and nobody disputing that. The second is that, in order to satisfy the first point, he has to work like a machine and I can also confirm that he'll go literally without sleep to make sure he's happy with his work. Remember, KDS are unique in that they have a large, secure, EXPENSIVE purpose-kitted premises. This means a higher standard of result can be achieved, but also Kelly needs to do more work than mobile detailers (like, five times as much) and has much less chill time to pamper clients. I understand (and I'm sure he does too) that this will occasionally and unfortunately lead to unintentional frustration in a few people, but the simple fact is that he trades on the reputation of his results and delivers every time - and that's a rare and very fine thing these days.
Hear Hear ! Could not have put it better myself....
puntograle said:
+2 ...FULLY agree with that. Kelly is suffering from just being too good!
I have heard so many stories about his skill, and have often wondered why he does not delegate/expand/franchise but I am reminded of this storyA Little Story
The businessman was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The businessman complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them. The Mexican replied only a little while.
The businessman then asked why he didn't stay out longer and catch more fish? The Mexican said he had enough to support his family's immediate needs. The businessman then asked, but what do you do with the rest of your time? The Mexican fisherman said, "I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take a siesta with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos; I have a full and busy life, señor."
The businessman scoffed, "I am a Harvard MBA and I could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds buy a bigger boat. With the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats; eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman, you would sell directly to the processor and eventually open your own cannery. You would control the product, processing and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually New York City where you would run your expanding enterprise."
The Mexican fisherman asked, "But señor, how long will this all take?" To which the businessman replied, "15-20 years." "But what then, señor?" The businessman laughed and said, "That's the best part! When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich. You would make millions." "Millions, señor? Then what?" The businessman said, "Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take a siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos."
The fisherman, still smiling, looked up and said, "Isn't that what I'm doing right now?"
Mermaid, I like that fable, and the sentiment, but it's not parallel with Kelly or how detailing works, chiefly because - and I'll argue this defiantly - NO 'man with van' detailers, working outdoors, without ramps, without fully controlled environments etc. have any real hope of reaching the KDS standard. I say this as a 'detailer' myself, having spent lots of time and money on it as a hobby, and worked on numerous customer cars of my own (back in the day). No way in hell could you do that job from a van.
erics said:
Edited by erics on Monday 30th May 15:10
When you say paint correction is this just for surface enhancement or actual paint repairs?
Cheers
G
erics said:
...Kelly at KDS may not have the most advanced social skills, but hell he is one brilliant, fussy, hard working, perfectionist. Hats off to him adn his team.....
Hi Erics, I have known Kelly for about 15 years, he has always looked after mine and my families cars (servicing, modifying and detailing). All I can say is you must of caught him at a bad time (was it nearly home time lol), he has always been very helpful (and chatty). I have never had any problems when I have been to KDS, I book my car(s) in with Tracy and drop it off that morning and wait for the call to say it’s ready.I will say, he is a VERY busy guy, if he’s not detailing he will be either servicing, modifying, restoring a car or being the boss man and managing his staff or doing paperwork etc (basically running his company). It is not in Kelly’s nature to be rude to a customer.
May I ask Erics, did you drop your car off late for your booking?
I did see your car when I booked mine in for a service, it did look amazing and it certainly doesn’t look its age.
PS, you should have got Kelly to service your car whilst it was there.
surface enhancement only. Although a very advanced one.
I had paint correction silver for medium car.
Then add the wheels 280 + vat.
Then engine detail.
Then dings removed.
I mentioned earlier in the thread the approximate coast.
His website gives an idea of the menus available.
If you are serious about enhancing your car, go there, trust the guy and come back 2 weeks later. You will be a happy man.
I had paint correction silver for medium car.
Then add the wheels 280 + vat.
Then engine detail.
Then dings removed.
I mentioned earlier in the thread the approximate coast.
His website gives an idea of the menus available.
If you are serious about enhancing your car, go there, trust the guy and come back 2 weeks later. You will be a happy man.
Gary11 said:
If you dont mind me asking please dont be specific but what sort of money does it come to for a full interior and exterior detail? And how long do they need your car?
When you say paint correction is this just for surface enhancement or actual paint repairs?
Cheers
G
When you say paint correction is this just for surface enhancement or actual paint repairs?
Cheers
G
I think we should settle this slight misunderstanding once and for all:
1/ I thought the initial contact was a little rough, but what came after made up for it x1000 times.
2/ The guy is amazing and we even exchanged a few more personnal emails afterwards.
All in all, one of my happiest car experience ever.
On a side note, I did not know Kelly serviced Porsches.
1/ I thought the initial contact was a little rough, but what came after made up for it x1000 times.
2/ The guy is amazing and we even exchanged a few more personnal emails afterwards.
All in all, one of my happiest car experience ever.
On a side note, I did not know Kelly serviced Porsches.
Jason2002 said:
Hi Erics, I have known Kelly for about 15 years, he has always looked after mine and my families cars (servicing, modifying and detailing). All I can say is you must of caught him at a bad time (was it nearly home time lol), he has always been very helpful (and chatty). I have never had any problems when I have been to KDS, I book my car(s) in with Tracy and drop it off that morning and wait for the call to say it’s ready.
I will say, he is a VERY busy guy, if he’s not detailing he will be either servicing, modifying, restoring a car or being the boss man and managing his staff or doing paperwork etc (basically running his company). It is not in Kelly’s nature to be rude to a customer.
May I ask Erics, did you drop your car off late for your booking?
I did see your car when I booked mine in for a service, it did look amazing and it certainly doesn’t look its age.
PS, you should have got Kelly to service your car whilst it was there.
I will say, he is a VERY busy guy, if he’s not detailing he will be either servicing, modifying, restoring a car or being the boss man and managing his staff or doing paperwork etc (basically running his company). It is not in Kelly’s nature to be rude to a customer.
May I ask Erics, did you drop your car off late for your booking?
I did see your car when I booked mine in for a service, it did look amazing and it certainly doesn’t look its age.
PS, you should have got Kelly to service your car whilst it was there.
Pickled Piper said:
If I understand the point of this thread, then if the proprietor of the above mentioned business tells you to "f
k off", then you can be assured of having received a top notch service for your car.
pp
No, with respect to erics, it sounds to me like he asked a lot of questions and there was a bit of pontificating/hesitataion on his behalf, maybe some other crossed words, and this irritated the detailer and I know exactly how he felt and totally agree with his response that these people usually don't commit. Now naturally, erics hasn't expanded upon his questions and even if he did it would probably be in minimised fashion and we wouldn't hear how it was experienced on the side of the detailer but suffice to say that there are 2 sides to every story in life and each protagonist experiences a given story in a completely different way. These internet forum reports, you have to look through them and see way beyond into what might have happened. Human interaction is very very complex.k off", then you can be assured of having received a top notch service for your car. ppYour assumption is correct and I won't deny it.
I did ask a lot of questions and was my usual PITA self..
When it comes to cars in general and my cars in particular, I want to know everything about everything.
I am very enthusiastic and a bit intense about it (I am pretty sure I would not be the only one in these vicinities).
Difference between me and some others though is that I only allow myself this kind of attitude when I am confident I want to commit and get business done.
I certainly appreciate that lots of people call, ask stuff and end up doing nothing. I would personally quickly get very pi$$ed off if I was in his place.
Fortunatly, it all worked out great for everyone.
Anyway, bottom line is: if you want you car to look its best, there are few places (if any) that will achieve such results.
The only purpose of this thread was to say how happy I was with the results, show the pictures and (maybe) inspire some people to go through a similar pleasant experience.
People seem to focus on the negatives, they should only look at the extremely positive outcome of this story.
I did ask a lot of questions and was my usual PITA self..
When it comes to cars in general and my cars in particular, I want to know everything about everything.
I am very enthusiastic and a bit intense about it (I am pretty sure I would not be the only one in these vicinities).
Difference between me and some others though is that I only allow myself this kind of attitude when I am confident I want to commit and get business done.
I certainly appreciate that lots of people call, ask stuff and end up doing nothing. I would personally quickly get very pi$$ed off if I was in his place.
Fortunatly, it all worked out great for everyone.
Anyway, bottom line is: if you want you car to look its best, there are few places (if any) that will achieve such results.
The only purpose of this thread was to say how happy I was with the results, show the pictures and (maybe) inspire some people to go through a similar pleasant experience.
People seem to focus on the negatives, they should only look at the extremely positive outcome of this story.
jackal said:
No, with respect to erics, it sounds to me like he asked a lot of questions and there was a bit of pontificating/hesitataion on his behalf, maybe some other crossed words, and this irritated the detailer and I know exactly how he felt and totally agree with his response that these people usually don't commit. Now naturally, erics hasn't expanded upon his questions and even if he did it would probably be in minimised fashion and we wouldn't hear how it was experienced on the side of the detailer but suffice to say that there are 2 sides to every story in life and each protagonist experiences a given story in a completely different way. These internet forum reports, you have to look through them and see way beyond into what might have happened. Human interaction is very very complex.
sportsandclassic said:
Hi,
The 993 C2S I had was one of the cleanest cars I have seen and was mechanically 100% sorted as nothing was needed as I spent 2 weeks on that car preparing it.
The only thing for me was the gearbox it was not a manual, and for me I was not driving it everyday so I wanted something I could enjoy. With a 993 tip box they were very lazy and nothing like a modern 996/997 gearbox,they have improved but for me I am afraid it did not do it. I never bought the car for me I bought it to sell.
I am not trying to get into the debate over manual VS tip as they both have their places. I think 993 cars are beautiful and full of Porsche character whilst the 996 range has lost the edge for me personally apart from the TT/GT2/GT3 cars.
If the 993 I had was a manual I think I would of kept it for a year or two before moving her on.
Mike
Mike, with your expertise in mind; would it still have been too much work to convert the 993 to a manual?The 993 C2S I had was one of the cleanest cars I have seen and was mechanically 100% sorted as nothing was needed as I spent 2 weeks on that car preparing it.
The only thing for me was the gearbox it was not a manual, and for me I was not driving it everyday so I wanted something I could enjoy. With a 993 tip box they were very lazy and nothing like a modern 996/997 gearbox,they have improved but for me I am afraid it did not do it. I never bought the car for me I bought it to sell.
I am not trying to get into the debate over manual VS tip as they both have their places. I think 993 cars are beautiful and full of Porsche character whilst the 996 range has lost the edge for me personally apart from the TT/GT2/GT3 cars.
If the 993 I had was a manual I think I would of kept it for a year or two before moving her on.
Mike
Edited by sportsandclassic on Monday 30th May 09:13
Hi Erics,
Interesting post and made for a good read.
I saw your car before and after, and agree the trasformation was awesome and nothing less than usual for Kelly.
You may or may not have seen, but i had a dark blue 930 turbo that Kelly has worked on for the last 3 months, sitting in the back.
Given Kelly's engineering background (and the fact he looks after all my cars) I gave him my (impulse purchase) rather sorry 930 to restore. With bodywork/interior/wheels/brakes/aircon/underneath/suspension and pretty much anything else you can think of being restored or replaced it looks like a different car. As we speak there is a fabspeed perfomance package being fitted by kelly at the moment. A small gearbox leak for kelly to fix and its back home.
I digress, but the point im making is that his skill base goes far beyond that of detailing. Kelly will service and take care of all aspects of my 930.
He found a fault on my murcie in less than 1 hour that the dealer coudnt find in a week! And fixed it for less than they charged to look!
Yes he is busy, and i know receives a huge amount of emails and phone calls, with far too many people trying to get his help and knowledge for free.
IMO is he is the best in the country, YES!! Is he trustworthy, YES. Does he always have time to talk, no, but his results speak for themsleves.
This may sound quite defensive of Kelly, but as a loyal customer and fan of his work, i give him my cars and pay whats asked at the end (im past agreeing a price with him beforehand as ive need been overcharged!). He know my level of OCD and always leaves me feeling like a school kid.
As said his valet, is others detail.
As sson as he does a write up for me of my 930 i'll get it posted.
Best
Paul
Interesting post and made for a good read.
I saw your car before and after, and agree the trasformation was awesome and nothing less than usual for Kelly.
You may or may not have seen, but i had a dark blue 930 turbo that Kelly has worked on for the last 3 months, sitting in the back.
Given Kelly's engineering background (and the fact he looks after all my cars) I gave him my (impulse purchase) rather sorry 930 to restore. With bodywork/interior/wheels/brakes/aircon/underneath/suspension and pretty much anything else you can think of being restored or replaced it looks like a different car. As we speak there is a fabspeed perfomance package being fitted by kelly at the moment. A small gearbox leak for kelly to fix and its back home.
I digress, but the point im making is that his skill base goes far beyond that of detailing. Kelly will service and take care of all aspects of my 930.
He found a fault on my murcie in less than 1 hour that the dealer coudnt find in a week! And fixed it for less than they charged to look!
Yes he is busy, and i know receives a huge amount of emails and phone calls, with far too many people trying to get his help and knowledge for free.
IMO is he is the best in the country, YES!! Is he trustworthy, YES. Does he always have time to talk, no, but his results speak for themsleves.
This may sound quite defensive of Kelly, but as a loyal customer and fan of his work, i give him my cars and pay whats asked at the end (im past agreeing a price with him beforehand as ive need been overcharged!). He know my level of OCD and always leaves me feeling like a school kid.
As said his valet, is others detail.
As sson as he does a write up for me of my 930 i'll get it posted.
Best
Paul
Hi Paul, I did see your car almost finished and seen the step by step pictures of the whole process.
The first time I saw it, i thought it looked pretty much like a new car.
Initially, I thought: 'hum a timewrap in which someone has only driven 10k miles since new'...
Then I saw the 'before' pics. I did not know such renovation was possible... I guess your budget was somewhat larger than mine.
Looking forward to read your post and see the pictures again.
The first time I saw it, i thought it looked pretty much like a new car.
Initially, I thought: 'hum a timewrap in which someone has only driven 10k miles since new'...
Then I saw the 'before' pics. I did not know such renovation was possible... I guess your budget was somewhat larger than mine.
Looking forward to read your post and see the pictures again.
pac man said:
Hi Erics,
Interesting post and made for a good read.
I saw your car before and after, and agree the trasformation was awesome and nothing less than usual for Kelly.
You may or may not have seen, but i had a dark blue 930 turbo that Kelly has worked on for the last 3 months, sitting in the back.
Given Kelly's engineering background (and the fact he looks after all my cars) I gave him my (impulse purchase) rather sorry 930 to restore. With bodywork/interior/wheels/brakes/aircon/underneath/suspension and pretty much anything else you can think of being restored or replaced it looks like a different car. As we speak there is a fabspeed perfomance package being fitted by kelly at the moment. A small gearbox leak for kelly to fix and its back home.
I digress, but the point im making is that his skill base goes far beyond that of detailing. Kelly will service and take care of all aspects of my 930.
He found a fault on my murcie in less than 1 hour that the dealer coudnt find in a week! And fixed it for less than they charged to look!
Yes he is busy, and i know receives a huge amount of emails and phone calls, with far too many people trying to get his help and knowledge for free.
IMO is he is the best in the country, YES!! Is he trustworthy, YES. Does he always have time to talk, no, but his results speak for themsleves.
This may sound quite defensive of Kelly, but as a loyal customer and fan of his work, i give him my cars and pay whats asked at the end (im past agreeing a price with him beforehand as ive need been overcharged!). He know my level of OCD and always leaves me feeling like a school kid.
As said his valet, is others detail.
As sson as he does a write up for me of my 930 i'll get it posted.
Best
Paul
Interesting post and made for a good read.
I saw your car before and after, and agree the trasformation was awesome and nothing less than usual for Kelly.
You may or may not have seen, but i had a dark blue 930 turbo that Kelly has worked on for the last 3 months, sitting in the back.
Given Kelly's engineering background (and the fact he looks after all my cars) I gave him my (impulse purchase) rather sorry 930 to restore. With bodywork/interior/wheels/brakes/aircon/underneath/suspension and pretty much anything else you can think of being restored or replaced it looks like a different car. As we speak there is a fabspeed perfomance package being fitted by kelly at the moment. A small gearbox leak for kelly to fix and its back home.
I digress, but the point im making is that his skill base goes far beyond that of detailing. Kelly will service and take care of all aspects of my 930.
He found a fault on my murcie in less than 1 hour that the dealer coudnt find in a week! And fixed it for less than they charged to look!
Yes he is busy, and i know receives a huge amount of emails and phone calls, with far too many people trying to get his help and knowledge for free.
IMO is he is the best in the country, YES!! Is he trustworthy, YES. Does he always have time to talk, no, but his results speak for themsleves.
This may sound quite defensive of Kelly, but as a loyal customer and fan of his work, i give him my cars and pay whats asked at the end (im past agreeing a price with him beforehand as ive need been overcharged!). He know my level of OCD and always leaves me feeling like a school kid.
As said his valet, is others detail.
As sson as he does a write up for me of my 930 i'll get it posted.
Best
Paul
Mermaid said:
Does anyone here know how many cars Kelly works on annually, for I can't imagine it can be that many.
Hi Mermaid, I wouldn't like to say but it is probably hundreds. Not all for detailing, but servicing, modifying and restoration as well. See link below for a usual sight at KDS.
http://s288.photobucket.com/albums/ll168/kdskeltec...
Jason2002 said:
Mermaid said:
Does anyone here know how many cars Kelly works on annually, for I can't imagine it can be that many.
Hi Mermaid, I wouldn't like to say but it is probably hundreds. Not all for detailing, but servicing, modifying and restoration as well. See link below for a usual sight at KDS.
http://s288.photobucket.com/albums/ll168/kdskeltec...
2010 invoice number : 949
2011 invoice number : 1264
pac man said:
Given Kelly's engineering background (and the fact he looks after all my cars) I gave him my (impulse purchase) rather sorry 930 to restore. With bodywork/interior/wheels/brakes/aircon/underneath/suspension and pretty much anything else you can think of being restored or replaced it looks like a different car. As we speak there is a fabspeed perfomance package being fitted by kelly at the moment. A small gearbox leak for kelly to fix and its back home.
I digress, but the point im making is that his skill base goes far beyond that of detailing. Kelly will service and take care of all aspects of my 930.
He found a fault on my murcie in less than 1 hour that the dealer coudnt find in a week! And fixed it for less than they charged to look!
Yes he is busy, and i know receives a huge amount of emails and phone calls, with far too many people trying to get his help and knowledge for free.
IMO is he is the best in the country, YES!! Is he trustworthy, YES. Does he always have time to talk, no, but his results speak for themsleves.
This may sound quite defensive of Kelly, but as a loyal customer and fan of his work, i give him my cars and pay whats asked at the end (im past agreeing a price with him beforehand as ive need been overcharged!). He know my level of OCD and always leaves me feeling like a school kid.
t house collection of boring junk to fettle and maintain. But I like him too much and he works too hard, so it won't happen until he needs it to. TBH, I think the mere prospect of an oil service on my E46 touring keeps him beavering away on other projects ;-) I loved the Testarossa detail where he took the engine out, detailed the engine bay, changed the belts etc and then put it all back together, better than new... genius. The best tech crossed with the best detailer; legend has it he can spray as well. B4stard. I can just about change the spark plug on my mower.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff