We can fit none N-rated Michelin Pilot Super Sports guys! :)
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Hi there
Right as we all know the Michelin Pilot Super Sport is a truly awsome tyre, its also now come pre-fitted on new Porsches such as GT3 RS, Turbo S even though still not N-rated. Porsche experience centre is also running this tyre on their cars.
As such I put a call into my local OPC, explained the above, explained I have an extended warranty so block excemption laws don't apply and wanted a clear answer, can I fit none N-rated Michelin Pilot Super Sport to my Carrera S with extended warranty as a requirement is N-rated tyres.
The response is "yes you can fit none n-rated version of the Michelin Pilot Super Sport"
Their reasoning is:-
The reasoning is because Porsche are shipping cars now with this tyre without N-rating and Porsche recognise that this tyre is indeed designed for our cars and is going through the approval stage. As cars are now shipping with none N-rated versions of this tyre it is also fine for us to fit them.
I've been told this by my local OPC and they are willing to supply and fit them too, they are going to come back with a price for me.
The guy said the GT3 RS now comes with the MPSS fitted as standard and I believe some have recieved Turbo S with these as well.
I made it clear my car is not a GT3 RS and I am under extended warranty and they still confirmed this is absolutely fine as they recognise its a tyre designed for the 911.
So happy days, now just to get some prices, any recommendations as I suspect the OPC price will be a bit high.
They also confirmed I can buy elsewhere and fit elsewhere, as long as they are MPSS.
This is pretty good news, if any of you were unsure now you know the answer, though I do advice you also put the same question to your OPC but my OPC took over a day to come back to me which makes me believe they have asked the relevent parties in higher up positions on this. So this is a good result.
Right as we all know the Michelin Pilot Super Sport is a truly awsome tyre, its also now come pre-fitted on new Porsches such as GT3 RS, Turbo S even though still not N-rated. Porsche experience centre is also running this tyre on their cars.
As such I put a call into my local OPC, explained the above, explained I have an extended warranty so block excemption laws don't apply and wanted a clear answer, can I fit none N-rated Michelin Pilot Super Sport to my Carrera S with extended warranty as a requirement is N-rated tyres.
The response is "yes you can fit none n-rated version of the Michelin Pilot Super Sport"
Their reasoning is:-
The reasoning is because Porsche are shipping cars now with this tyre without N-rating and Porsche recognise that this tyre is indeed designed for our cars and is going through the approval stage. As cars are now shipping with none N-rated versions of this tyre it is also fine for us to fit them.
I've been told this by my local OPC and they are willing to supply and fit them too, they are going to come back with a price for me.
The guy said the GT3 RS now comes with the MPSS fitted as standard and I believe some have recieved Turbo S with these as well.
I made it clear my car is not a GT3 RS and I am under extended warranty and they still confirmed this is absolutely fine as they recognise its a tyre designed for the 911.
So happy days, now just to get some prices, any recommendations as I suspect the OPC price will be a bit high.
They also confirmed I can buy elsewhere and fit elsewhere, as long as they are MPSS.
This is pretty good news, if any of you were unsure now you know the answer, though I do advice you also put the same question to your OPC but my OPC took over a day to come back to me which makes me believe they have asked the relevent parties in higher up positions on this. So this is a good result.
s_mcneil said:
Congrats, but get that in writting before you buy anything. OPC don't write the warranty terms.
Yes I will but they did confirm it was OK and I know this guy has gone off to ask the relevent questions and he seems pretty good at his job. But agreed when I do change tyres and they are none N-rated I shall get a note in writing from my OPC saying is all fine and warranty un-affected.
As above. One OPC's opinion does not Porsche policy make.
I'd like to hear what your OPC says when Porsche demands photos be sent of the car (which they have asked for in the past).
FWIW one local OPC I spoke to said I could install one of those Bluetooth/iPod PCM integration units on the quiet and remove it in the event of a warranty claim so.....
Long story short: OPCs want your business, Porsche wants your car to fit within their terms. I honestly don't know why you are trying so hard to walk a knife edge with compliance when you could either just get a third-party warranty and never have to care about N-rated tyres, or do what Porsche says and never have to worry about warranty voiding.
Why put yourself in the position where you have to ask questions?
I also firmly believe that despite what "your" OPC says you could ask the same question of 5 other OPCs, or Porsche themselves, and get different answers. That alone should ring alarm bells if the warranty means anything to you.
I'd like to hear what your OPC says when Porsche demands photos be sent of the car (which they have asked for in the past).
FWIW one local OPC I spoke to said I could install one of those Bluetooth/iPod PCM integration units on the quiet and remove it in the event of a warranty claim so.....
Long story short: OPCs want your business, Porsche wants your car to fit within their terms. I honestly don't know why you are trying so hard to walk a knife edge with compliance when you could either just get a third-party warranty and never have to care about N-rated tyres, or do what Porsche says and never have to worry about warranty voiding.
Why put yourself in the position where you have to ask questions?
I also firmly believe that despite what "your" OPC says you could ask the same question of 5 other OPCs, or Porsche themselves, and get different answers. That alone should ring alarm bells if the warranty means anything to you.
Gibbo205 said:
The guy said the GT3 RS now comes with the MPSS fitted as standard and I believe some have recieved Turbo S with these as well.
GT3RS stopped being shipped a few months ago.The 4.0 that is coming through have Cup tyres, don't they?
Are PSS available with the correct load ratings?
Anyone actually seen a Turbo S or any other new 997 fitted with PSS from the factory?
Durzel said:
As above. One OPC's opinion does not Porsche policy make.
I'd like to hear what your OPC says when Porsche demands photos be sent of the car (which they have asked for in the past).
FWIW one local OPC I spoke to said I could install one of those Bluetooth/iPod PCM integration units on the quiet and remove it in the event of a warranty claim so.....
Long story short: OPCs want your business, Porsche wants your car to fit within their terms. I honestly don't know why you are trying so hard to walk a knife edge with compliance when you could either just get a third-party warranty and never have to care about N-rated tyres, or do what Porsche says and never have to worry about warranty voiding.
Agreed but they had gone and ask the question to the relevent people who underwrite the warranties and are fully aware they may not get the sale on the tyres.I'd like to hear what your OPC says when Porsche demands photos be sent of the car (which they have asked for in the past).
FWIW one local OPC I spoke to said I could install one of those Bluetooth/iPod PCM integration units on the quiet and remove it in the event of a warranty claim so.....
Long story short: OPCs want your business, Porsche wants your car to fit within their terms. I honestly don't know why you are trying so hard to walk a knife edge with compliance when you could either just get a third-party warranty and never have to care about N-rated tyres, or do what Porsche says and never have to worry about warranty voiding.
As others have said if I do indeed change tyres to these I shall get it in writing to fully back up my position should anything happened, but as the OPC in question is well aware of my car, its modifications and the issues already they did go away and ask the question to the relevent people before coming back to me.
SFO said:
GT3RS stopped being shipped a few months ago.
The 4.0 that is coming through have Cup tyres, don't they?
Are PSS available with the correct load ratings?
Anyone actually seen a Turbo S or any other new 997 fitted with PSS from the factory?
I can't find a the link but a guy took delivery of a Turbo S recently and put pictures up and it did indeed have PSS fitted. The 4.0 that is coming through have Cup tyres, don't they?
Are PSS available with the correct load ratings?
Anyone actually seen a Turbo S or any other new 997 fitted with PSS from the factory?
I'd have thought the 4.0 RS would have CUPs.
When they come back to me with a price I shall re-ask the question and get 110% clarification.
This is ideal news especially for the GT3 guys who can't find CUPS or Corsas at the moment, so as already said anyone going for these tyres, do get your OPC to put in writing it has no effect on your warranty.
nsm3 said:
Just get the OPC to fit them - no argument then?
I suspect the OPC will agree to do pretty much any work if they have spare booking time available and the customer is suitably advised of what it means if they carry it out. I wouldn't put my faith in an OPC being willing to do paid work.I like the look of MPSS and I would very much like to use them myself BUT I really don't see the logic in putting oneself in a position where there is a doubt about warranty coverage, and I think if you have to get into asking OPCs questions about it then I think that's where it puts you. What peace of mind do you get from a warranty that could be refused if Porsche were minded to do so? Porsche stipulate N-rated tyres for warranty coverage - that's it pure and simple, what one OPC happens to say, or wink-wink nudge-nudge suggest, is neither here nor there to be honest.
What one OPC says on a given day to a given customer with whom they have a good relationship is not policy either so saying "good news guys you can all fit MPSS" is pretty sketchy. It would not surprise me in the least if a regular Porsche customer was given a lot of latitude by their OPC because of how much they spent, in fact I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if their OPC would volunteer to doctor stuff they are obliged to send to Porsche to keep their custom. OPCs are operated by humans after all and are far from the prying eyes of Porsche GB.
Personally I would buy the warranty for peace of mind. Buying it and then voluntarily putting myself in a position where it could be refused seems totally counter intuitive to me. Are MPSS worth that much to you over PS2?
Bear in mind also that the warranty on a new Porsche with or without N-rated tyres is completely different to an extended warranty so they are apples and oranges in that regard. Porsche cannot legally refuse warranty on a car within the original warranty period that happens to have non N-rated tyres on. With the extended warranty if they say you have to wave a flag out of the window while you're driving to maintain it, that's what you have to do.
Edited by Durzel on Tuesday 9th August 17:15
Durzel said:
I suspect the OPC will agree to do pretty much any work if they have spare booking time available and the customer is suitably advised of what it means if they carry it out. I wouldn't put my faith in an OPC being willing to do paid work.
I like the look of MPSS and I would very much like to use them myself BUT I really don't see the logic in putting oneself in a position where there is a doubt about warranty coverage, and I think if you have to get into asking OPCs questions about it then I think that's where it puts you. What peace of mind do you get from a warranty that could be refused if Porsche were minded to do so? Porsche stipulate N-rated tyres for warranty coverage - that's it pure and simple, what one OPC happens to say, or wink-wink nudge-nudge suggest, is neither here nor there to be honest.
Personally I would buy the warranty for peace of mind. Buying it and then voluntarily putting myself in a position where it could be refused seems totally counter intuitive to me. Are MPSS worth that much to you over PS2?
Bear in mind also that the warranty on a new Porsche with or without N-rated tyres is completely different to an extended warranty so they are apples and oranges in that regard. Porsche cannot legally refuse warranty on a car within the original warranty period that happens to have non N-rated tyres on. With the extended warranty if they say you have to wave a flag out of the window while you're driving to maintain it, that's what you have to do.
Yes why fit an old inferior tyre when the newer tyre for same money is available.I like the look of MPSS and I would very much like to use them myself BUT I really don't see the logic in putting oneself in a position where there is a doubt about warranty coverage, and I think if you have to get into asking OPCs questions about it then I think that's where it puts you. What peace of mind do you get from a warranty that could be refused if Porsche were minded to do so? Porsche stipulate N-rated tyres for warranty coverage - that's it pure and simple, what one OPC happens to say, or wink-wink nudge-nudge suggest, is neither here nor there to be honest.
Personally I would buy the warranty for peace of mind. Buying it and then voluntarily putting myself in a position where it could be refused seems totally counter intuitive to me. Are MPSS worth that much to you over PS2?
Bear in mind also that the warranty on a new Porsche with or without N-rated tyres is completely different to an extended warranty so they are apples and oranges in that regard. Porsche cannot legally refuse warranty on a car within the original warranty period that happens to have non N-rated tyres on. With the extended warranty if they say you have to wave a flag out of the window while you're driving to maintain it, that's what you have to do.
Also people said Porsche would never give a warranty due to my X51 parts, they did and it came from the top.
Also I specifically said would it be fine with an extended warranty, again they said yes, but I shall get this in writing, once I have it in writing that it all is fine, the warranty is fine, Porsche have put in writing its fine to do so, that for me from a legal standpoint is where it ends and I am fully covered.
911p said:
Anybody know where to source these tyres?
These guys did a good job for me recently have a big stock distribution business that supply other dealers: http://www.stapletons-tyres.co.uk/.PS, love the tyres on my GT3. Warranty is a good thing, but aquaplaning off the road on cups isn't covered...
motughosh said:
These guys did a good job for me recently have a big stock distribution business that supply other dealers: http://www.stapletons-tyres.co.uk/.
PS, love the tyres on my GT3. Warranty is a good thing, but aquaplaning off the road on cups isn't covered...
Is your GT3 still under warranty out of curiosity?PS, love the tyres on my GT3. Warranty is a good thing, but aquaplaning off the road on cups isn't covered...
This forum was saying that my warranty would be invalidated if my tyres were not fitted by an opc not so long ago which was/is total tosh as i always buy mine from wembley tyres and i have it in writing from hatfield that this okay - same for having my geo done by chris at CG. MPSS is designed for 911 hence if OPC says it is okay im sure it will be fine - I'll certainly try them when i next need all four replacing.
Where does the warranty document say anything about N rated tyres - I can't see it and my manual doesn't state it.
This is utter BS - Porsche really do take the p155.
If the OPC supply and fit the MPSS tyres, I really don't see how they can get out of warranty claims or indeed how your tyres can contribute to a warranty issue in the first place?
This is utter BS - Porsche really do take the p155.
If the OPC supply and fit the MPSS tyres, I really don't see how they can get out of warranty claims or indeed how your tyres can contribute to a warranty issue in the first place?
IMI A said:
This forum was saying that my warranty would be invalidated if my tyres were not fitted by an opc not so long ago which was/is total tosh as i always buy mine from wembley tyres and i have it in writing from hatfield that this okay - same for having my geo done by chris at CG. MPSS is designed for 911 hence if OPC says it is okay im sure it will be fine - I'll certainly try them when i next need all four replacing.
As most of us know, the terms of the extended warranty were changed in the past year or two. Before then, what 'this forum' told you was quite true but latterly has not been so. I was refused an extended warranty in 2009 because of PPF and the fact that I fit my own tyres (to do which I am better equipped and qualified than any OPC). This would no longer be the case but now that I have gone two years without a warranty (and also trouble free) I no longer have the inclination to be honest. I can't see what can go wrong that would be more frightening than the depreciation, in truth.................
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