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crisisjez
7,491 posts
74 months
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Kav1 said: crisisjez said: Acceleration wise it was awesome Top speed is still not posted but I doubt it was more than high 190s which given the conditions on sat is only slightly better than average Jez, Best run was 206 on speedo - based on what the 599 GTO was seeing (197 at the traps) and the fact that we were pulled 3-4 cars on it at the traps I'd expect to see somewhere between the two (but hopefully it begins with a 2!). Top speeds are somewhat strange, one or two car lengths could well do it, or could give you exactly the same speed. Soph and I had 3 grudge match races and we went through the beams within a cars length of each other on all 3 runs and all 3 times she posted a 1mph higher speed regardless of lane, it was so depressing to get the big "L" from her on the way back to the start. Kav, your car really is a weapon, I'd love to swap rides with you next time (in whatever I bring) and a Turbo S is so on my list now ( Damm that salesman in OPC Reading who tried to sell me a GTS when I went in for a Turbo PDK) 
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Kav1
75 posts
30 months
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crisisjez said: Top speeds are somewhat strange, one or two car lengths could well do it, or could give you exactly the same speed. Soph and I had 3 grudge match races and we went through the beams within a cars length of each other on all 3 runs and all 3 times she posted a 1mph higher speed regardless of lane, it was so depressing to get the big "L" from her on the way back to the start. Kav, your car really is a weapon, I'd love to swap rides with you next time (in whatever I bring) and a Turbo S is so on my list now ( Damm that salesman in OPC Reading who tried to sell me a GTS when I went in for a Turbo PDK)  I noticed how quick she was Jez, was afraid to ask her for a run TBH !! I'd thoroughly recommend a Turbo S, so much more than straight line speed. With PTV, centre diff lock,Dynamic Engine mounts and Ceramic breaks they are stunning around tracks also, you can carry just so much speed through corners . Great pair of cars you guys have got and next time will be my pleasure to swap rides, thats if you don't end up buying an "S" before then !
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Kav1
75 posts
30 months
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crisisjez said: Top speeds are somewhat strange, one or two car lengths could well do it, or could give you exactly the same speed. Soph and I had 3 grudge match races and we went through the beams within a cars length of each other on all 3 runs and all 3 times she posted a 1mph higher speed regardless of lane, it was so depressing to get the big "L" from her on the way back to the start. Kav, your car really is a weapon, I'd love to swap rides with you next time (in whatever I bring) and a Turbo S is so on my list now ( Damm that salesman in OPC Reading who tried to sell me a GTS when I went in for a Turbo PDK)  I noticed how quick she was Jez, was afraid to ask her for a run TBH !! I'd thoroughly recommend a Turbo S, so much more than straight line speed. With PTV, centre diff lock,Dynamic Engine mounts and Ceramic breaks they are stunning around tracks also, you can carry just so much speed through corners . Great pair of cars you guys have got and next time will be my pleasure to swap rides, thats if you don't end up buying an "S" before then !
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996ttalot
1,745 posts
44 months
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Phooey said: 996ttalot said: Mate, I can ask if you like. They have DMEs and powerkits for all their cars as far as I know.
Ken Would love to see the options and figures  Cheers mate YHM 
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TB993tt
1,079 posts
110 months
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My two penny worth.... Kav – I love your motor and saying “banging on” in the other thread I wasn't being hostile, I love your enthusiasm  Re the turbo S engine. Cargraphic for the last 10 years (at least) have bought all their tuning packages from RS Tuning who developed them on their engine dyno. Rs Tuning tested the new Dfi turbo motor and blew it up at the 550hp level. They have subsequently built a Dfi turbo motor with rods etc and I understand whilst holding together it has been problematic so they do not offer tuning for the turbo Dfi motor. Cargraphic has partnered with someone else to develop the Dfi turbo tuning, I don't know who it is, maybe DMS  If we are skeptical that RS Tuning (despite their history) got it wrong re increasing the power of the Dfi turbo then ask yourself why the GT2RS doesnt have this engine ? My information is that the GT2RS was delayed many months whilst Porsche engineers tried to make the turbo Dfi lump reliable for the power needed - they couldn't..... I still want to know why Kav1s exhaust was so black, with black soot on the bumper, there is too much fuel being burnt, this is not a good tune in my experience but hopefully with some data logging we can suss out what is happening re Kav1s comment at vmax you'd need a minimum of 700 bhp to pull more than a couple of cars on it at any speedYou have to get you head round the PDK and the awesome job Porsche have done with making it work with a turbo motor (like on the GTR) If you look at the data trace I posted on the other thread you can actually measure the time it takes during a gearchange to go from full longitudinal G in say 3rd to full longitudinal G in 4th (longitudinal G is the full shove in the back you get once the new gear is home and boost is back to full) the time is between 1.2 and 1.5s !! So for a run up the main straight (starting in 3rd) a turbo s PDK saves about 4s compared to a stick shifter - this is a massive amount and hence why the relatively modest power can produce such relative acceleration..... Now to comment directly on needing a minimum of 700 hp to pull a couple of car lengths...... at vmax 700hp in my 0.71 CdA vs Kav1s 0.6CdA (don't ask other can of worms  ) Porker, means that the 700hp car is travelling at 200mph (GPS  ) 340 metres before the traps..... All good stuff and food for thought 
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GT3ZZZ
303 posts
39 months
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996ttalot said: We are now a dealer for Cargraphic in the UK. We still have 911tuning and Protomotive. But it was the only other company I was prepared to deal with because of their products. TB993tt said: Re the turbo S engine. Cargraphic for the last 10 years (at least) have bought all their tuning packages from RS Tuning who developed them on their engine dyno. Rs Tuning tested the new Dfi turbo motor and blew it up at the 550hp level. They have subsequently built a Dfi turbo motor with rods etc and I understand whilst holding together it has been problematic so they do not offer tuning for the turbo Dfi motor. Cargraphic has partnered with someone else to develop the Dfi turbo tuning, I don't know who it is, maybe DMS  Ken, do you know who Cargraphic used for the turbo S if it wasnt RS Tuning?
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996TT_STEVO
3,951 posts
97 months
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Great reading guys, who really has the biggest c0ck then?
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TB993tt
1,079 posts
110 months
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996TT_STEVO said: Great reading guys, who really has the biggest c0ck then? 996TT_STEVO said: As you know I'm a track driver anyway and 1/4 mile, Vmax doesn't really interest me... "Track drivers" with huuuggggeee rear spoilers on their road cars 
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Callughan
5,302 posts
61 months
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TB993tt
1,079 posts
110 months
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Callughan said:  Some comparisons to compare 300kph times The time for the Turbo is PDK Hey Call, where would that red 997 Turbo with "800 Switzer hp" fit into the chart above ? it did 0-297.5kph in 26.4s..... I know different tracks different days but that performance is at least 100hp less than 800 good old American hp 
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996ttalot
1,745 posts
44 months
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GT3ZZZ said: 996ttalot said: We are now a dealer for Cargraphic in the UK. We still have 911tuning and Protomotive. But it was the only other company I was prepared to deal with because of their products. TB993tt said: Re the turbo S engine. Cargraphic for the last 10 years (at least) have bought all their tuning packages from RS Tuning who developed them on their engine dyno. Rs Tuning tested the new Dfi turbo motor and blew it up at the 550hp level. They have subsequently built a Dfi turbo motor with rods etc and I understand whilst holding together it has been problematic so they do not offer tuning for the turbo Dfi motor. Cargraphic has partnered with someone else to develop the Dfi turbo tuning, I don't know who it is, maybe DMS  Ken, do you know who Cargraphic used for the turbo S if it wasnt RS Tuning? I have asked the question. All tuning so far has always had RS tuning on the DME. Will come back to you once I have confirmation. Ken
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996ttalot
1,745 posts
44 months
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TB993tt said: Callughan said:  Some comparisons to compare 300kph times The time for the Turbo is PDK Hey Call, where would that red 997 Turbo with "800 Switzer hp" fit into the chart above ? it did 0-297.5kph in 26.4s..... I know different tracks different days but that performance is at least 100hp less than 800 good old American hp  At least 100hp less. Saying that there R1k GTR kit is friggen awesome ( bit of american there  )
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Callughan
5,302 posts
61 months
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Sure  The Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price. btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk
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996TT_STEVO
3,951 posts
97 months
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996ttalot
1,745 posts
44 months
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Callughan said: Sure  The Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price. btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk When they do a 1300nm tq kit like MKB does for the tiptronic then I will be interested. There are kits out there but CMS have been working this one extensively using different materials for the clutches and so on. Now they have the right material and there are control unit issues because of the way 7th gear works apparently. I am sure someone will because the GTRs do not have the same issue - you can upgrade to over 1000hp, running 3.2 seconds from 60-130mph and 2.7 from 100-150mph. And then there is Underground Racing with the Lambo tt who just set record of 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph  - count that in your head - 3.04 seconds and that includes shifting. The modifying game has moved on and Porsche are getting left behind.
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Sunnysidebb
1,333 posts
36 months
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996ttalot said: Callughan said: Sure  The Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price. btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk When they do a 1300nm tq kit like MKB does for the tiptronic then I will be interested. There are kits out there but CMS have been working this one extensively using different materials for the clutches and so on. Now they have the right material and there are control unit issues because of the way 7th gear works apparently. I am sure someone will because the GTRs do not have the same issue - you can upgrade to over 1000hp, running 3.2 seconds from 60-130mph and 2.7 from 100-150mph. And then there is Underground Racing with the Lambo tt who just set record of 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph  - count that in your head - 3.04 seconds and that includes shifting. The modifying game has moved on and Porsche are getting left behind. 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph   unbelivable, that is bloody quick quick. 
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Callughan
5,302 posts
61 months
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Yeah I remember when AllanLambo first did his build on his Gallardo think it was Heffners with adjustable boost.
That's an incredible time, Ken how does your car stack up against VRAlexanders 1000hp 6t at one time it was the quickest out there?
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996ttalot
1,745 posts
44 months
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Callughan said: Yeah I remember when AllanLambo first did his build on his Gallardo think it was Heffners with adjustable boost.
That's an incredible time, Ken how does your car stack up against VRAlexanders 1000hp 6t at one time it was the quickest out there? We will have to wait and see in early November all being well. Making some aero changes at the moment and a complete new fuel system to support 1200hp ( of course that is Amercian hp  ) . Aero changes might slow it down a tad but will help with top speed stability. Low boost is 6.1 sec, mid boost is 5.5 so when she is on full chat she should be in the 4 seconds. Aiming for 16-18 seconds to 300kph. Have to say knowing what 5.5 seconds feels, 3 seconds is just insane. Still that car also did 251mph at the Texas mile which frankly is crazy. Anyway we will see.
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996ttalot
1,745 posts
44 months
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Sunnysidebb said: 996ttalot said: Callughan said: Sure  The Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price. btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk When they do a 1300nm tq kit like MKB does for the tiptronic then I will be interested. There are kits out there but CMS have been working this one extensively using different materials for the clutches and so on. Now they have the right material and there are control unit issues because of the way 7th gear works apparently. I am sure someone will because the GTRs do not have the same issue - you can upgrade to over 1000hp, running 3.2 seconds from 60-130mph and 2.7 from 100-150mph. And then there is Underground Racing with the Lambo tt who just set record of 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph  - count that in your head - 3.04 seconds and that includes shifting. The modifying game has moved on and Porsche are getting left behind. 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph   unbelivable, that is bloody quick quick.  Frank, and that was on an incline!
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Callughan
5,302 posts
61 months
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996ttalot said: Callughan said: Yeah I remember when AllanLambo first did his build on his Gallardo think it was Heffners with adjustable boost.
That's an incredible time, Ken how does your car stack up against VRAlexanders 1000hp 6t at one time it was the quickest out there? We will have to wait and see in early November all being well. Making some aero changes at the moment and a complete new fuel system to support 1200hp ( of course that is Amercian hp  ) . Aero changes might slow it down a tad but will help with top speed stability. Low boost is 6.1 sec, mid boost is 5.5 so when she is on full chat she should be in the 4 seconds. Aiming for 16-18 seconds to 300kph. Have to say knowing what 5.5 seconds feels, 3 seconds is just insane. Still that car also did 251mph at the Texas mile which frankly is crazy. Anyway we will see. I am sure you will do it, you're doing great work Ken. Sadly VR passed away
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