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crisisjez

7,491 posts

74 months

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Wednesday 7th September 2011 quote quote all
Kav1 said:
crisisjez said:
Acceleration wise it was awesome
Top speed is still not posted but I doubt it was more than high 190s which given the conditions on sat is only slightly better than average
Jez, Best run was 206 on speedo - based on what the 599 GTO was seeing (197 at the traps) and the fact that we were pulled 3-4 cars on it at the traps I'd expect to see somewhere between the two (but hopefully it begins with a 2!).

Edited by Kav1 on Wednesday 7th September 19:03
Top speeds are somewhat strange, one or two car lengths could well do it, or could give you exactly the same speed.
Soph and I had 3 grudge match races and we went through the beams within a cars length of each other on all 3 runs and all 3 times she posted a 1mph higher speed regardless of lane, it was so depressing to get the big "L" from her on the way back to the start.
Kav, your car really is a weapon, I'd love to swap rides with you next time (in whatever I bring) and a Turbo S is so on my list now ( Damm that salesman in OPC Reading who tried to sell me a GTS when I went in for a Turbo PDK) hehe

Kav1

75 posts

30 months

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Wednesday 7th September 2011 quote quote all
crisisjez said:
Top speeds are somewhat strange, one or two car lengths could well do it, or could give you exactly the same speed.
Soph and I had 3 grudge match races and we went through the beams within a cars length of each other on all 3 runs and all 3 times she posted a 1mph higher speed regardless of lane, it was so depressing to get the big "L" from her on the way back to the start.
Kav, your car really is a weapon, I'd love to swap rides with you next time (in whatever I bring) and a Turbo S is so on my list now ( Damm that salesman in OPC Reading who tried to sell me a GTS when I went in for a Turbo PDK) hehe
I noticed how quick she was Jez, was afraid to ask her for a run TBH !! I'd thoroughly recommend a Turbo S, so much more than straight line speed. With PTV, centre diff lock,Dynamic Engine mounts and Ceramic breaks they are stunning around tracks also, you can carry just so much speed through corners . Great pair of cars you guys have got and next time will be my pleasure to swap rides, thats if you don't end up buying an "S" before then !

Kav1

75 posts

30 months

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Wednesday 7th September 2011 quote quote all
crisisjez said:
Top speeds are somewhat strange, one or two car lengths could well do it, or could give you exactly the same speed.
Soph and I had 3 grudge match races and we went through the beams within a cars length of each other on all 3 runs and all 3 times she posted a 1mph higher speed regardless of lane, it was so depressing to get the big "L" from her on the way back to the start.
Kav, your car really is a weapon, I'd love to swap rides with you next time (in whatever I bring) and a Turbo S is so on my list now ( Damm that salesman in OPC Reading who tried to sell me a GTS when I went in for a Turbo PDK) hehe
I noticed how quick she was Jez, was afraid to ask her for a run TBH !! I'd thoroughly recommend a Turbo S, so much more than straight line speed. With PTV, centre diff lock,Dynamic Engine mounts and Ceramic breaks they are stunning around tracks also, you can carry just so much speed through corners . Great pair of cars you guys have got and next time will be my pleasure to swap rides, thats if you don't end up buying an "S" before then !

996ttalot

1,745 posts

44 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
Phooey said:
996ttalot said:
Mate, I can ask if you like. They have DMEs and powerkits for all their cars as far as I know.

Ken
Would love to see the options and figures smile

Cheers mate
YHM smile

TB993tt

1,079 posts

110 months

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My two penny worth....

Kav – I love your motor and saying “banging on” in the other thread I wasn't being hostile, I love your enthusiasm biggrin

Re the turbo S engine. Cargraphic for the last 10 years (at least) have bought all their tuning packages from RS Tuning who developed them on their engine dyno.
Rs Tuning tested the new Dfi turbo motor and blew it up at the 550hp level. They have subsequently built a Dfi turbo motor with rods etc and I understand whilst holding together it has been problematic so they do not offer tuning for the turbo Dfi motor.

Cargraphic has partnered with someone else to develop the Dfi turbo tuning, I don't know who it is, maybe DMSshoot

If we are skeptical that RS Tuning (despite their history) got it wrong re increasing the power of the Dfi turbo then ask yourself why the GT2RS doesnt have this engine ? My information is that the GT2RS was delayed many months whilst Porsche engineers tried to make the turbo Dfi lump reliable for the power needed - they couldn't.....

I still want to know why Kav1s exhaust was so black, with black soot on the bumper, there is too much fuel being burnt, this is not a good tune in my experience but hopefully with some data logging we can suss out what is happening

re Kav1s comment
at vmax you'd need a minimum of 700 bhp to pull more than a couple of cars on it at any speed

You have to get you head round the PDK and the awesome job Porsche have done with making it work with a turbo motor (like on the GTR)
If you look at the data trace I posted on the other thread you can actually measure the time it takes during a gearchange to go from full longitudinal G in say 3rd to full longitudinal G in 4th (longitudinal G is the full shove in the back you get once the new gear is home and boost is back to full) the time is between 1.2 and 1.5s !!

So for a run up the main straight (starting in 3rd) a turbo s PDK saves about 4s compared to a stick shifter - this is a massive amount and hence why the relatively modest power can produce such relative acceleration.....

Now to comment directly on needing a minimum of 700 hp to pull a couple of car lengths...... at vmax 700hp in my 0.71 CdA vs Kav1s 0.6CdA (don't ask other can of wormshehe) Porker, means that the 700hp car is travelling at 200mph (GPS wink) 340 metres before the traps.....

All good stuff and food for thought smokin

Edited by TB993tt on Thursday 8th September 13:28

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GT3ZZZ

303 posts

39 months

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996ttalot said:
We are now a dealer for Cargraphic in the UK. We still have 911tuning and Protomotive. But it was the only other company I was prepared to deal with because of their products.
TB993tt said:
Re the turbo S engine. Cargraphic for the last 10 years (at least) have bought all their tuning packages from RS Tuning who developed them on their engine dyno.
Rs Tuning tested the new Dfi turbo motor and blew it up at the 550hp level. They have subsequently built a Dfi turbo motor with rods etc and I understand whilst holding together it has been problematic so they do not offer tuning for the turbo Dfi motor.

Cargraphic has partnered with someone else to develop the Dfi turbo tuning, I don't know who it is, maybe DMSshoot
Ken, do you know who Cargraphic used for the turbo S if it wasnt RS Tuning?

996TT_STEVO

3,951 posts

97 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
Great reading guys, who really has the biggest c0ck then?

TB993tt

1,079 posts

110 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
996TT_STEVO said:
Great reading guys, who really has the biggest c0ck then?
996TT_STEVO said:
As you know I'm a track driver anyway and 1/4 mile, Vmax doesn't really interest me...
"Track drivers" with huuuggggeee rear spoilers on their road cars biglaugh

Callughan

5,302 posts

61 months

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TB993tt

1,079 posts

110 months

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Callughan said:


Some comparisons to compare 300kph times

The time for the Turbo is PDK
Hey Call, where would that red 997 Turbo with "800 Switzer hp" fit into the chart above ? it did 0-297.5kph in 26.4s..... I know different tracks different days but that performance is at least 100hp less than 800 good old American hp shoot

996ttalot

1,745 posts

44 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
GT3ZZZ said:
996ttalot said:
We are now a dealer for Cargraphic in the UK. We still have 911tuning and Protomotive. But it was the only other company I was prepared to deal with because of their products.
TB993tt said:
Re the turbo S engine. Cargraphic for the last 10 years (at least) have bought all their tuning packages from RS Tuning who developed them on their engine dyno.
Rs Tuning tested the new Dfi turbo motor and blew it up at the 550hp level. They have subsequently built a Dfi turbo motor with rods etc and I understand whilst holding together it has been problematic so they do not offer tuning for the turbo Dfi motor.

Cargraphic has partnered with someone else to develop the Dfi turbo tuning, I don't know who it is, maybe DMSshoot
Ken, do you know who Cargraphic used for the turbo S if it wasnt RS Tuning?
I have asked the question. All tuning so far has always had RS tuning on the DME. Will come back to you once I have confirmation.

Ken

996ttalot

1,745 posts

44 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
TB993tt said:
Callughan said:


Some comparisons to compare 300kph times

The time for the Turbo is PDK
Hey Call, where would that red 997 Turbo with "800 Switzer hp" fit into the chart above ? it did 0-297.5kph in 26.4s..... I know different tracks different days but that performance is at least 100hp less than 800 good old American hp shoot
At least 100hp less.

Saying that there R1k GTR kit is friggen awesome ( bit of american there hehe)

Callughan

5,302 posts

61 months

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SureyesThe Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price.

btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk


996TT_STEVO

3,951 posts

97 months

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TB993tt said:
"Track drivers" with huuuggggeee rear spoilers on their road cars biglaugh
laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh you know what I mean, who was quickest on the day?

996ttalot

1,745 posts

44 months

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Callughan said:
SureyesThe Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price.

btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk
When they do a 1300nm tq kit like MKB does for the tiptronic then I will be interested. There are kits out there but CMS have been working this one extensively using different materials for the clutches and so on.

Now they have the right material and there are control unit issues because of the way 7th gear works apparently.

I am sure someone will because the GTRs do not have the same issue - you can upgrade to over 1000hp, running 3.2 seconds from 60-130mph and 2.7 from 100-150mph.

And then there is Underground Racing with the Lambo tt who just set record of 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph yikes - count that in your head - 3.04 seconds and that includes shifting.

The modifying game has moved on and Porsche are getting left behind.


Sunnysidebb

1,333 posts

36 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
996ttalot said:
Callughan said:
SureyesThe Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price.

btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk
When they do a 1300nm tq kit like MKB does for the tiptronic then I will be interested. There are kits out there but CMS have been working this one extensively using different materials for the clutches and so on.

Now they have the right material and there are control unit issues because of the way 7th gear works apparently.

I am sure someone will because the GTRs do not have the same issue - you can upgrade to over 1000hp, running 3.2 seconds from 60-130mph and 2.7 from 100-150mph.

And then there is Underground Racing with the Lambo tt who just set record of 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph yikes - count that in your head - 3.04 seconds and that includes shifting.

The modifying game has moved on and Porsche are getting left behind.
3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph eekeek unbelivable, that is bloody quick quick.biggrin

Callughan

5,302 posts

61 months

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Yeah I remember when AllanLambo first did his build on his Gallardo think it was Heffners with adjustable boost.

That's an incredible time, Ken how does your car stack up against VRAlexanders 1000hp 6t at one time it was the quickest out there?

Edited by Callughan on Thursday 8th September 19:17

996ttalot

1,745 posts

44 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
Callughan said:
Yeah I remember when AllanLambo first did his build on his Gallardo think it was Heffners with adjustable boost.

That's an incredible time, Ken how does your car stack up against VRAlexanders 1000hp 6t at one time it was the quickest out there?
We will have to wait and see in early November all being well.

Making some aero changes at the moment and a complete new fuel system to support 1200hp ( of course that is Amercian hp smile) .

Aero changes might slow it down a tad but will help with top speed stability. Low boost is 6.1 sec, mid boost is 5.5 so when she is on full chat she should be in the 4 seconds. Aiming for 16-18 seconds to 300kph.

Have to say knowing what 5.5 seconds feels, 3 seconds is just insane. Still that car also did 251mph at the Texas mile which frankly is crazy.

Anyway we will see.

996ttalot

1,745 posts

44 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
Sunnysidebb said:
996ttalot said:
Callughan said:
SureyesThe Americans really like Switzer/Evoms though this could be more for price.

btw Speedart do a 650kit for pdk
When they do a 1300nm tq kit like MKB does for the tiptronic then I will be interested. There are kits out there but CMS have been working this one extensively using different materials for the clutches and so on.

Now they have the right material and there are control unit issues because of the way 7th gear works apparently.

I am sure someone will because the GTRs do not have the same issue - you can upgrade to over 1000hp, running 3.2 seconds from 60-130mph and 2.7 from 100-150mph.

And then there is Underground Racing with the Lambo tt who just set record of 3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph yikes - count that in your head - 3.04 seconds and that includes shifting.

The modifying game has moved on and Porsche are getting left behind.
3.04 seconds on e-shift from 60-130mph eekeek unbelivable, that is bloody quick quick.biggrin
Frank, and that was on an incline!

Callughan

5,302 posts

61 months

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Thursday 8th September 2011 quote quote all
996ttalot said:
Callughan said:
Yeah I remember when AllanLambo first did his build on his Gallardo think it was Heffners with adjustable boost.

That's an incredible time, Ken how does your car stack up against VRAlexanders 1000hp 6t at one time it was the quickest out there?
We will have to wait and see in early November all being well.

Making some aero changes at the moment and a complete new fuel system to support 1200hp ( of course that is Amercian hp smile) .

Aero changes might slow it down a tad but will help with top speed stability. Low boost is 6.1 sec, mid boost is 5.5 so when she is on full chat she should be in the 4 seconds. Aiming for 16-18 seconds to 300kph.

Have to say knowing what 5.5 seconds feels, 3 seconds is just insane. Still that car also did 251mph at the Texas mile which frankly is crazy.

Anyway we will see.
I am sure you will do it, you're doing great work Ken.

Sadly VR passed away
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