Should I buy a Cayman R, or a Boxster Spyder?
Discussion
bqf said:
I fancy a 2-seat Porsche that I can buy new, enjoy, and that might go up in value over the longer term (20 years).
Of these two - which do you think would be the better option, for
A - immediate driving pleasure
B - investment potential (or smallest loss over 20 years)
Views (from owners?)
Having driven the Cayman R and I own a 968CS I would say the CS easily covers both A&B (rightly or wrongly on option B). Have you driven a CS? Feedback on the Caymen was that its a fantastic car, very quick, brilliant brakes (Ceramics on the one I drove)yet the opinion was that within a year the Caymen would not feel so special. I have owned my CS nearly two years and it still feels absolutly fab.Of these two - which do you think would be the better option, for
A - immediate driving pleasure
B - investment potential (or smallest loss over 20 years)
Views (from owners?)
Watch out for a future Porsche mag special on the R and CS.
Must say though, never really been much of a Boxster fan, but the Spyder really does look great. That aould be my choice vs Caymen.
Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 18th November 19:32
You want pics of every Spyder colour and wheel combo?
Fill yer boots...
http://www.dspyda.com./dspyda/Spyder_Gallery/Spyde...
Fill yer boots...
http://www.dspyda.com./dspyda/Spyder_Gallery/Spyde...
I absolutely love the Spyder, but I bought a Cayman R, mainly because I live in the UK.
If I lived somewhere warm and could leave a Spyder in the garage with the roof permanently off, then I'd definitely have one. But in the UK you need to have the roof on the majority of the time, and I find the noise with the roof on quite intrusive. With the roof off the Spyder is sublime and the sound from the sports exhaust is simply stunning.
I've had my Cayman R since March and I absolutely love it, and haven't once missed the 997 C2S that I had before it. I spent yesterday morning driving a Turbo / Turbo S around Stowe and a GTS around the Porsche track and I wasn't in the slightest bit disappointed when I got back in the R to drive home.
It's true that the Cayman R isn't as visually appealing as the Spyder (I actually think the Spyder is the best looking car in the current Porsche stable), but I still think it looks great. And yes, red and black is the best combination even after a day on the track
If I lived somewhere warm and could leave a Spyder in the garage with the roof permanently off, then I'd definitely have one. But in the UK you need to have the roof on the majority of the time, and I find the noise with the roof on quite intrusive. With the roof off the Spyder is sublime and the sound from the sports exhaust is simply stunning.
I've had my Cayman R since March and I absolutely love it, and haven't once missed the 997 C2S that I had before it. I spent yesterday morning driving a Turbo / Turbo S around Stowe and a GTS around the Porsche track and I wasn't in the slightest bit disappointed when I got back in the R to drive home.
It's true that the Cayman R isn't as visually appealing as the Spyder (I actually think the Spyder is the best looking car in the current Porsche stable), but I still think it looks great. And yes, red and black is the best combination even after a day on the track
MDT48 said:
I absolutely love the Spyder, but I bought a Cayman R, mainly because I live in the UK.
If I lived somewhere warm and could leave a Spyder in the garage with the roof permanently off, then I'd definitely have one. But in the UK you need to have the roof on the majority of the time, and I find the noise with the roof on quite intrusive. With the roof off the Spyder is sublime and the sound from the sports exhaust is simply stunning.
I've had my Cayman R since March and I absolutely love it, and haven't once missed the 997 C2S that I had before it. I spent yesterday morning driving a Turbo / Turbo S around Stowe and a GTS around the Porsche track and I wasn't in the slightest bit disappointed when I got back in the R to drive home.
It's true that the Cayman R isn't as visually appealing as the Spyder (I actually think the Spyder is the best looking car in the current Porsche stable), but I still think it looks great. And yes, red and black is the best combination even after a day on the track
I think the R looks fantastic and I'd love to try one.If I lived somewhere warm and could leave a Spyder in the garage with the roof permanently off, then I'd definitely have one. But in the UK you need to have the roof on the majority of the time, and I find the noise with the roof on quite intrusive. With the roof off the Spyder is sublime and the sound from the sports exhaust is simply stunning.
I've had my Cayman R since March and I absolutely love it, and haven't once missed the 997 C2S that I had before it. I spent yesterday morning driving a Turbo / Turbo S around Stowe and a GTS around the Porsche track and I wasn't in the slightest bit disappointed when I got back in the R to drive home.
It's true that the Cayman R isn't as visually appealing as the Spyder (I actually think the Spyder is the best looking car in the current Porsche stable), but I still think it looks great. And yes, red and black is the best combination even after a day on the track
However, since I bought my Spyder in August I've done over 2k miles and out of those I reckon only a few hundred happened with the roof on.
It's sitting in my garage now, roofless, and as its 11c and sunny here, I'll be going out in it shortly.
It's no big deal having one in the UK - if it rains you either pull over for 60 secs and put the roof on - or you drive faster
I thought that would raise some eyebrows !!
I used launch control, and on that run the car gripped phenomenally well.... total traction despite the conditions - I attribute this to the helping hand of the gradient planting the wheels into the ground.
However, this car reeled off 4.2s 0-60 and low 10's to 100 enough times (in the wet !!) to make me certain that this accelerative ability was representative of the car.
I used launch control, and on that run the car gripped phenomenally well.... total traction despite the conditions - I attribute this to the helping hand of the gradient planting the wheels into the ground.
However, this car reeled off 4.2s 0-60 and low 10's to 100 enough times (in the wet !!) to make me certain that this accelerative ability was representative of the car.
Edited by ZeroH on Sunday 20th November 01:00
I don't for 1 minute doubt them results. Porsche's claimed figures are, Acceleration from 0 - 100 km/h (0 - 62 mph) 4.7 s Sport+ and Acceleration from 0 - 160 km/h (0 - 99 mph) 10.2 s Sport+
I had a standard C2S (PDK) for 3 days, and that car was much quicker than my manual GTS. As ZeroH says "pdk is a miracle maker !!"
I had a standard C2S (PDK) for 3 days, and that car was much quicker than my manual GTS. As ZeroH says "pdk is a miracle maker !!"
ZeroH said:
Cayman R.... uphill, greasy/wet tarmac....
pdk is a miracle maker !!
Porsche USA themselves claim 0-60 in 4.7 seconds for the manual, but that drops to 4.4 seconds with PDK and Sport Chrono Plus. But 4.0 in less than ideal conditions is a bit of a stretch.pdk is a miracle maker !!
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayman/cayman-r/
I agree that these numbers are super quick, but the conditions were what they were and the car did what it did !
Numbers from another run, where the ground was totally flat (128m height at 0mph, 127m height at 100mph and flat in-between), with conditions even wetter than the uphill run, the car did 0-30/60/100mph in 1.67s \ 4.19s \ 10.41s.
Numbers from another run, where the ground was totally flat (128m height at 0mph, 127m height at 100mph and flat in-between), with conditions even wetter than the uphill run, the car did 0-30/60/100mph in 1.67s \ 4.19s \ 10.41s.
It’s probably worth remembering that Porsche have a long history of under-representing in their official performance figures. The true speed of their roadgoing cars is almost always quicker than the ‘book’ speeds.
I always assumed this was a way of dealing with variation between production cars and ensuring that they would never be complained at for a customer car not matching up to quoted/promised performance.
I always assumed this was a way of dealing with variation between production cars and ensuring that they would never be complained at for a customer car not matching up to quoted/promised performance.
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