Boxster - First Service (2 Year) & 2-Yr Cost Totals
Discussion
There are plenty of threads which pop up from time to time regarding running costs on 987 Caymans/Boxsters so, I thought I would post about what my Boxster needed in 2 years from new.
Firstly, regarding the 2-Yr service, the car was serviced at East London and the service (as always) was first class.
East London applied the discretionary Porsche Club GB 10% discount to applicable items. A 911 PDK Cab loaner was made available for the duration (9 days), car picked up and dropped off back to my home, on request.
2-Year Service Total
- 2 x Windscreen Wipers
- 1 x 2-Yr Minor Service (as per Porsche menu)
- 3 x Stone Chips
- 1 x Scratched leather seat
- 1 x Warranty
- 1 x MOT
- 1 x Full detail
Total bill approx - £2,000
Notes: nothing noted on the MOT or 111 Point Inspection which needed sorting. Things such as washer fluids were topped up etc.
Tyres - Over 2 Years
As well as fresh rears at 10k, I also had 18inch Winter wheels and tyres fitted for this Winter while, she was in for the 2Yr (separate thread).
- 4 x 18inch Cayman II alloys
- 4 x Michelin Alpin Tyres
Total bill approx - £2,000
In the first year the car also needed 2 x PS2 rear tyres:
- 2 x Michelin PS2 tyres (rear)
Total bill approx - £600
Insurance
2 x 12 months insurance, 12 months with Admiral, 12 months with Aviva, 1 Year no claims bonus in second year, no points on license, all options covered. Living in the car crime capital of the country.
Total bill approx - £2,800 with £1,000 excess.
Depreciation
Estimated 2 year depreciation cost from new including tax, excluding cost for credit: £18,000
Credit Cost
Total bill approx - £3,500
Petrol
15,000 miles @ 23MPG Shell V-Power
Total bill approx £4,200
Road Tax
Total bill approx £250
Misc
2 x Wheel scuffs
1 x front-end re-spray
4 x Front spoiler radiator "discs"
Car cleaning fluids, buckets
First aid kit, euro trip kit
1 x Insurance no-fault claim due to over-turned lorry causing minor cosmetic damage
Total bill approx - £1,800
Total 2-Yr cost inc. depreciation and credit costs - approx £36,000
Total 2-Yr cost inc. depreciation and credit cost, *excluding* car cost options - approx £23,000
Total 2-Yr cost exc. depreciation and credit costs - approx £17,000
Firstly, regarding the 2-Yr service, the car was serviced at East London and the service (as always) was first class.
East London applied the discretionary Porsche Club GB 10% discount to applicable items. A 911 PDK Cab loaner was made available for the duration (9 days), car picked up and dropped off back to my home, on request.
2-Year Service Total
- 2 x Windscreen Wipers
- 1 x 2-Yr Minor Service (as per Porsche menu)
- 3 x Stone Chips
- 1 x Scratched leather seat
- 1 x Warranty
- 1 x MOT
- 1 x Full detail
Total bill approx - £2,000
Notes: nothing noted on the MOT or 111 Point Inspection which needed sorting. Things such as washer fluids were topped up etc.
Tyres - Over 2 Years
As well as fresh rears at 10k, I also had 18inch Winter wheels and tyres fitted for this Winter while, she was in for the 2Yr (separate thread).
- 4 x 18inch Cayman II alloys
- 4 x Michelin Alpin Tyres
Total bill approx - £2,000
In the first year the car also needed 2 x PS2 rear tyres:
- 2 x Michelin PS2 tyres (rear)
Total bill approx - £600
Insurance
2 x 12 months insurance, 12 months with Admiral, 12 months with Aviva, 1 Year no claims bonus in second year, no points on license, all options covered. Living in the car crime capital of the country.
Total bill approx - £2,800 with £1,000 excess.
Depreciation
Estimated 2 year depreciation cost from new including tax, excluding cost for credit: £18,000
Credit Cost
Total bill approx - £3,500
Petrol
15,000 miles @ 23MPG Shell V-Power
Total bill approx £4,200
Road Tax
Total bill approx £250
Misc
2 x Wheel scuffs
1 x front-end re-spray
4 x Front spoiler radiator "discs"
Car cleaning fluids, buckets
First aid kit, euro trip kit
1 x Insurance no-fault claim due to over-turned lorry causing minor cosmetic damage
Total bill approx - £1,800
Total 2-Yr cost inc. depreciation and credit costs - approx £36,000
Total 2-Yr cost inc. depreciation and credit cost, *excluding* car cost options - approx £23,000
Total 2-Yr cost exc. depreciation and credit costs - approx £17,000
Boxster S 51 Plate 2 year running costs, (Sheffield Indie)
Insurance 1,200+800 = £2000
MOT + 2 Tyres + RMS + Minor service £1800
MOT + Wheel Alignment/Balance + O2 Sensor + Minor service £600
Depreciation 2k (But I haven't sold it !)
8,000 miles Fuel = £1800 ish?
Hours of joy driving, the noise as you knock down two gears, small children shouting 'daddy look a Porsche', Mcdonalds drive through staff saying 'nice car mate' Priceless.....
Insurance 1,200+800 = £2000
MOT + 2 Tyres + RMS + Minor service £1800
MOT + Wheel Alignment/Balance + O2 Sensor + Minor service £600
Depreciation 2k (But I haven't sold it !)
8,000 miles Fuel = £1800 ish?
Hours of joy driving, the noise as you knock down two gears, small children shouting 'daddy look a Porsche', Mcdonalds drive through staff saying 'nice car mate' Priceless.....
Edited by jamesogt on Friday 25th November 11:58
s3uly said:
What were you thoughts on the 911 PDK loaner car compared to your Boxster ?
I was going to do a separate report on that but, events have conspired against me. You will have to indulge me a little here so, excuse the enthusiast waffle, here are my thoughts.The 911 loaner was an 2011 "S" with Turbo II wheels in Basalt Black and had a modest but, decent options spec.
If i had to use one word to describe the car it would be "Nice".
The 911 is a nice car to float around in, go on short family trips, sit in traffic and generally mull about in. The colour of the car and wheels would be lower maintenance for sure as, I park my cars outside.
The 911 cab body felt rigid to drive, a suprise to me, the suspension felt more forgiving that the Boxster (19inch PASM) and had a "magic carpet" feel about it which, the boxster does not have. The brakes are excellent.
The acceleration in the car is, as you would expect, in a different league to the Boxster and had a good, light, front-end feel to the turn in.
Excluding the question of cost, my main reservation about the 911 "S" is the same as those that I had back in 2009 at Silverstone. Firstly, the 3.8L (non-motorsport) is simply not highly strung enough in terms of the rev range and gearing for UK roads and thus, there is minimal engine noise in first gear, a little in second and a lovely rasp in 3rd.
I find myself trying to keep the 911 in third gear just to hear the tractor-like noise as it pulls away. If i lived in Germany, this engine would be a very sweet device to use on the Autobahn.
By comparison, in my boxster, the engine is wailing like a mini-ferrari as the engine pops out of first, into second and by the time I am in third, it sounds like a race-car. Crackles and pops on the downshifts, yes!
This lack of constant aural intoxication is a major problem for me in the 911 as the majority of my drives are sub 40mph and the sound of the sports car is a major component of the experience.
The steering feel of the mid-engined vs. rear-engined has been done to death on PH and it is down to personal preference. I like both setups and do not rate one over the other.
Considering the extra cost, the look of the 911 Cab could be a bit sharper (the 991 addresses this), I think the Boxster looks better again, subjective. I did get quite a bit of extra female attention in the 911 cab and it was acknowledged as a 911 by the female species, something to keep in mind if you are single.
In summary, I came away feeling that the additional £50k shafting (at list) you receive from the Porsche accountancy team for the 911 over the Boxster is because of the rear seats and little else. I can't operate as a family in the Boxster, Porsche know it and that is the price you pay for it.
If you don't have a family and cannot stomach a motorsport model then, then for UK roads, the Boxster is still the best car Porsche make.
The 991 looks like it closes the gap one the handling and weight benefits of the 987, I am hopeful that the 3.4L fitted to the 991 will deliver the goods in spades for UK road use. The noise, economy and ride should be epic.
I need a 3rd car now but, my required 991 spec places it in direct competition with a brand new GT-R, M5 and Granturismo S. If I fancied getting a divorce, a loaded F430 would also be on the cards and also if, I fancied time in prison for speeding, a Gen2 Turbo S.
£100k on a GT3-RS 3.8 or a 991? hmm, I wonder if I can tie two child seats to the rollcage....
What a great couple of posts. Thanks for those.
The costs are quite sobering.
If I tallied up the first-year costs of my 911 I'd probably shock myself (not least because I had PSE and cruise fitted... and PSE changes the sountrack substantially!) - so I won't
I won't comment on your 911 experience, because it's obviously entirely subjective (and as an ex-Boxster driver and current 911 owner I might be ever so slightly biased...) but I did enjoy reading it.
The costs are quite sobering.
If I tallied up the first-year costs of my 911 I'd probably shock myself (not least because I had PSE and cruise fitted... and PSE changes the sountrack substantially!) - so I won't
I won't comment on your 911 experience, because it's obviously entirely subjective (and as an ex-Boxster driver and current 911 owner I might be ever so slightly biased...) but I did enjoy reading it.
Carl_Docklands said:
Jobbo said:
9 days for the service? What took them so long?
2-Day detail for a start.Jobbo said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Jobbo said:
9 days for the service? What took them so long?
2-Day detail for a start.Really interesting Carl thanks. Some scary amounts though. I know it's illegal to compare new to used on PH for some reason but my total budget for the 987 2.7 bought second hand is £9600 over 2 years and 15,000 miles (all inclusive apart from finance). Having said that, I do my own detailing !!
Interesting post and has made me count up the cost of my ownership as i've owned my 986 S for pretty much 2 years to the day
so......
car = 2001 986 S
Purchased @ 55k miles
miles now = 79k
maintenance, which includes amongst other things: 4 new tyres, 2 services, new front rad, new coil packs, new cv boots, wheel refurb, clutch, gearbox refurb etc = £5,200
Insurance = 2k
depreciation = 2.5k
so it has cost me about 10k not including petrol, not cheap for a 10 year old car but imo it has been worth it to own a car i love and for it be a better car now than the day i bought it
for anyone that wants more detail it's in the running reports section on boxa.net
so......
car = 2001 986 S
Purchased @ 55k miles
miles now = 79k
maintenance, which includes amongst other things: 4 new tyres, 2 services, new front rad, new coil packs, new cv boots, wheel refurb, clutch, gearbox refurb etc = £5,200
Insurance = 2k
depreciation = 2.5k
so it has cost me about 10k not including petrol, not cheap for a 10 year old car but imo it has been worth it to own a car i love and for it be a better car now than the day i bought it
for anyone that wants more detail it's in the running reports section on boxa.net
Mutt said:
Soovy said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Total 2-Yr cost inc. depreciation and credit costs - approx £36,000
Jesys T1ttyf cking CHRIST.
Stone me ! back in 1999 i purchased a new Honda S2000. My colleague a 2.7 Boxster.Mine cost £29k his was £37. 5 Years ago he sold his for 10k ( albeit with £4k of bills for that year) I still have mine
now with 103k miles and worth £3k tops
i have kept records of all costs of the car since sep 99.
For comparison my first 2 years costs are as follows
2 years insurance £1550 ( i was younger then - it now works out at £1 per day)
2 years labour costs £ 154
2 years oil costs £ 139
tyres 2 rear 2 front £ 538
other bibs and bobs £ 57
Total for 15800 miles £2438
the next 10 years ( excluding insurance have averaged £770 per year ( all costs tyres/servicing etc)
The strange thing is i find myself pulled towards 911 ownership ( after having my Aston nicked)but i will be buying second hand so depreciation won't be such an issue.
My big question is do i go 911C2S/C4S or get a much newer Cayman ?
Answers on a postcard please
now with 103k miles and worth £3k tops
i have kept records of all costs of the car since sep 99.
For comparison my first 2 years costs are as follows
2 years insurance £1550 ( i was younger then - it now works out at £1 per day)
2 years labour costs £ 154
2 years oil costs £ 139
tyres 2 rear 2 front £ 538
other bibs and bobs £ 57
Total for 15800 miles £2438
the next 10 years ( excluding insurance have averaged £770 per year ( all costs tyres/servicing etc)
The strange thing is i find myself pulled towards 911 ownership ( after having my Aston nicked)but i will be buying second hand so depreciation won't be such an issue.
My big question is do i go 911C2S/C4S or get a much newer Cayman ?
Answers on a postcard please
tony russell said:
Stone me ! back in 1999 i purchased a new Honda S2000. My colleague a 2.7 Boxster.Mine cost £29k his was £37. 5 Years ago he sold his for 10k ( albeit with £4k of bills for that year) I still have mine
now with 103k miles and worth £3k tops
i have kept records of all costs of the car since sep 99.
For comparison my first 2 years costs are as follows
2 years insurance £1550 ( i was younger then - it now works out at £1 per day)
2 years labour costs £ 154
2 years oil costs £ 139
tyres 2 rear 2 front £ 538
other bibs and bobs £ 57
Total for 15800 miles £2438
the next 10 years ( excluding insurance have averaged £770 per year ( all costs tyres/servicing etc)
The strange thing is i find myself pulled towards 911 ownership ( after having my Aston nicked)but i will be buying second hand so depreciation won't be such an issue.
My big question is do i go 911C2S/C4S or get a much newer Cayman ?
Answers on a postcard please
Sounds like you need to retain some fun in your life... How about a Lightly used Boxster Spyder or a 996 GT3 RS? The RS will let you sleep better too... now with 103k miles and worth £3k tops
i have kept records of all costs of the car since sep 99.
For comparison my first 2 years costs are as follows
2 years insurance £1550 ( i was younger then - it now works out at £1 per day)
2 years labour costs £ 154
2 years oil costs £ 139
tyres 2 rear 2 front £ 538
other bibs and bobs £ 57
Total for 15800 miles £2438
the next 10 years ( excluding insurance have averaged £770 per year ( all costs tyres/servicing etc)
The strange thing is i find myself pulled towards 911 ownership ( after having my Aston nicked)but i will be buying second hand so depreciation won't be such an issue.
My big question is do i go 911C2S/C4S or get a much newer Cayman ?
Answers on a postcard please
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