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edc said:
ATM said:
Just been to see a 986 S which could be for sale. It's a 2003 with only 35000 miles on the clock. Car looks tidy but I'm not too pleased with the convertible roof as it's been sat outside all this time. How would you value a car like that?
A lot of these cars spend a lot of not all their time outside. If looked after properly the roof should be fine. If the roof condition is commensurate with the age and condition of the car then the value is 'normal' http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
My personal preference is for the slightly less fussy lines of the pre-facelift models but any late 986 is still amazing value and, depending on your situation, potentially all the (sports-) car you might ever need.
Given that I think they are great cars / such good value (and especially compared to 911s), I'd not be against paying up to £9-10k for the very best example I could find with the history and spec I wanted (2.7 or 3.2, well looked after with as many bills as possible, current ticket, non-horrid colours, decent tyres / stereo and manual is about it), ideally together with some sort of warranty. All that said, based on what I've seen, I'd not expect pre-face lifts to up at this level until properly mint in all respects (cooling system refreshed, possibly suspension too), with commensurately lower than average miles - the latter is not a bother for me, condition more important).
I've no idea whether the example you posted represents good value but for a private sale I'd expect to pay less. You could find yourself in a decent 987 for not much more, although I personally like the 986s more based on my limited experience. If mileage isn't that important you'll find the choice expands a lot and the prices become slightly more realistic / less "speculative". That said, these cars were mostly over £40k new, so if cared for there's no reason they shouldn't come and more than they currently do other than snobbery / subjective appraisals of the looks / performance. You get an authentically Porsche experience, just in a slightly more ubiquitous (and thus great value) form.
I'm currently at odds with the seller I bought mine from (car actually seems ok subject to a full inspection - long story) but shall be looking to either keep this one or get another if possible
Given that I think they are great cars / such good value (and especially compared to 911s), I'd not be against paying up to £9-10k for the very best example I could find with the history and spec I wanted (2.7 or 3.2, well looked after with as many bills as possible, current ticket, non-horrid colours, decent tyres / stereo and manual is about it), ideally together with some sort of warranty. All that said, based on what I've seen, I'd not expect pre-face lifts to up at this level until properly mint in all respects (cooling system refreshed, possibly suspension too), with commensurately lower than average miles - the latter is not a bother for me, condition more important).
I've no idea whether the example you posted represents good value but for a private sale I'd expect to pay less. You could find yourself in a decent 987 for not much more, although I personally like the 986s more based on my limited experience. If mileage isn't that important you'll find the choice expands a lot and the prices become slightly more realistic / less "speculative". That said, these cars were mostly over £40k new, so if cared for there's no reason they shouldn't come and more than they currently do other than snobbery / subjective appraisals of the looks / performance. You get an authentically Porsche experience, just in a slightly more ubiquitous (and thus great value) form.
I'm currently at odds with the seller I bought mine from (car actually seems ok subject to a full inspection - long story) but shall be looking to either keep this one or get another if possible
Edited by Diesel Meister on Sunday 12th June 21:07
ATM said:
There are a couple on auto trader with similar mileage like this one for 11000. What's a realistic value?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
11k is top money for a private sale. Regardless of the low mileage you'd expect everything to be mint. But at 15+ years old and despite the mileage there's going to be the odd age related malady to sort. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Personally I don't see the value of paying a big premium for low mileage unless you are barely going to use it and then sell it on soon. I am biased because it's what I have but I'd rather a higher mileage one which is basically new underneath having been over zealously maintained.
INWB said:
I'm trying to wear down my wife and persuade her to keep her Clio for family duties instead of changing it for a mini cooper S and get a Boxster. Just trying to think about the best one to get. 986 or 987. 2.7 or 3.2? Doesn't need to be fast, just fun.
It's all personal preference but if it's a 2nd or weekend/fun car then I'd go 986 S. If by fun you want M3 style oversteer then you don't need a Boxster. The Boxster has good feel and rewards a near driving style. edc said:
It's all personal preference but if it's a 2nd or weekend/fun car then I'd go 986 S. If by fun you want M3 style oversteer then you don't need a Boxster. The Boxster has good feel and rewards a near driving style.
Thanks. She would just use it for short journeys (30 mins) on B roads and then we would use it at the weekend if it ever stops raining ! 
edc said:
ATM said:
There are a couple on auto trader with similar mileage like this one for 11000. What's a realistic value?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
11k is top money for a private sale. Regardless of the low mileage you'd expect everything to be mint. But at 15+ years old and despite the mileage there's going to be the odd age related malady to sort. http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Personally I don't see the value of paying a big premium for low mileage unless you are barely going to use it and then sell it on soon. I am biased because it's what I have but I'd rather a higher mileage one which is basically new underneath having been over zealously maintained.
I'm pressing for a number?
ATM said:
How about 10k or 9k?
I'm pressing for a number?
If you want a number I think I'd be comfortable paying then I'd happily give it. But that's pretty hard without seeing or driving the car and looking through any documentation. If it is genuinely A1 with everything in place, good life left on brakes, a nice clutch action, no leaks on exhaust or corroded fixings, confidence in rads and condensers then, good quality tyres, knowing what it takes to take an ok car to tip top, mentally I'd be prepared to spend 10k.I'm pressing for a number?
The reality is I'd not spend that as in my situation of a weekend car which I like to tweak, I'd rather account for the things that need replacing as that is a good cost effective opportunity to upgrade and buy a more middle-priced one.
I'm with edc - I'd rather spend a bit less and get the important stuff done myself and to my spec. You might end up spending the same as buying a late low mileage example but will have a better car at the end of it, irrespective of how long you intend to keep it.
Something like this might be a better bet (with some haggling depending on recent maintenance etc.):
Not liking the silver plastic but easy enough to change. Never understood why having a lady owner makes a jot of difference either!
At the bargain end (meh colour combo): 3.2 S with 85k
There are so many out there it doesn't do to obsess about a single example, unless it has more than the purchase price in cash stashed in the spare wheel well
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Something like this might be a better bet (with some haggling depending on recent maintenance etc.):
Not liking the silver plastic but easy enough to change. Never understood why having a lady owner makes a jot of difference either!
At the bargain end (meh colour combo): 3.2 S with 85k
There are so many out there it doesn't do to obsess about a single example, unless it has more than the purchase price in cash stashed in the spare wheel well
).http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
My Boxster sold within a week of putting it up, no garage queen by a long shot but well maintained!
My Boxster sold within a week of putting it up, no garage queen by a long shot but well maintained!
Project 'its not not Pink' poverty Porsche is back on the road now, woohoo!
Total expenditure including car, full comprehensive service, H&R Coilovers, 2x track rod ends, an unnecessary roof relay, massive Bosch battery and Brembo discs/pads and a caliper re-paint. Runs me to just over £5k now.
Other than the shockingly un-friendly drop-link/pinchbolt setup, its really nice to work on. Servicing easy from underneath.
Roof relay packed up in service mode for some reason, which was fun. Had to run a twin core to the motor and connect to the battery terminals to close it! Cheap from a breaker though.
Battery was a crappy cheap one and also appeared to be the wrong size - now has the biggest Bosch Silver that will fit and starts much quicker and more healthily.
Drives awesome, suspension now really tight and quiet, firmer but not overkill, slightly lower but not nough to scrape or look stupid, just right.
Next on the list - its too quiet still, tried the 'desnorkel' but couldn't manage it no matter how hard I tugged (!), and the gearshift still feels awful, sloppy and vague. Also thinking about getting some 996 interior bits to improve it, I want a GT3 style console, some painted trim etc. Using it every day now, want to pile miles on for a bit and enjoy it.
(At the opposite end of the 986 spectrum, neighbour has picked a low miles high spec really nice facelift 3.2, it really is gorgeous, but it was 3times the cost! Reckons the dealer says he cannot get top end 986's in quick enough and they are flying out).
Pics to follow if you want!
Total expenditure including car, full comprehensive service, H&R Coilovers, 2x track rod ends, an unnecessary roof relay, massive Bosch battery and Brembo discs/pads and a caliper re-paint. Runs me to just over £5k now.
Other than the shockingly un-friendly drop-link/pinchbolt setup, its really nice to work on. Servicing easy from underneath.
Roof relay packed up in service mode for some reason, which was fun. Had to run a twin core to the motor and connect to the battery terminals to close it! Cheap from a breaker though.
Battery was a crappy cheap one and also appeared to be the wrong size - now has the biggest Bosch Silver that will fit and starts much quicker and more healthily.
Drives awesome, suspension now really tight and quiet, firmer but not overkill, slightly lower but not nough to scrape or look stupid, just right.
Next on the list - its too quiet still, tried the 'desnorkel' but couldn't manage it no matter how hard I tugged (!), and the gearshift still feels awful, sloppy and vague. Also thinking about getting some 996 interior bits to improve it, I want a GT3 style console, some painted trim etc. Using it every day now, want to pile miles on for a bit and enjoy it.
(At the opposite end of the 986 spectrum, neighbour has picked a low miles high spec really nice facelift 3.2, it really is gorgeous, but it was 3times the cost! Reckons the dealer says he cannot get top end 986's in quick enough and they are flying out).
Pics to follow if you want!
dopsonj said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
My Boxster sold within a week of putting it up, no garage queen by a long shot but well maintained!
Rather gutted I missed that, looks like a lovely example!My Boxster sold within a week of putting it up, no garage queen by a long shot but well maintained!
Iddingtons said:
dopsonj said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
My Boxster sold within a week of putting it up, no garage queen by a long shot but well maintained!
Rather gutted I missed that, looks like a lovely example!My Boxster sold within a week of putting it up, no garage queen by a long shot but well maintained!
dopsonj said:
That looks suspiciously cheap based on other adverts, unless I am missing something ?Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff