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dibblecorse

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2,203 posts

61 months

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kippax said:
If it takes this long I don't think too many will be going ;-)
ha ha ha, good point, got involved in work when I got to the office, boooo...

In the end they did the whole job in 2hrs 15 minutes and lit looks great ..... I did do a quick write up as well as you'll see in the topics list smile

browno

271 posts

103 months

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Just to add to the Poverty Pork love - mine is running great, and performed admirably for a day on track at Bedford - although I definitely now need to sort out some new discs and some uprated pads as soon as I can get it in the workshop - along with another 2 coffin arms and an aircon pipe (the condensers on mine seem fine, but I have a leak where someone has put a trolley jack under the refrigerant pipes under the driver's side).

Good to hear that the hood replacement was so painless too - I am still surprised that they didn't put a glass window in from the start...

Here's mine on track...




cmoose

18,585 posts

98 months

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browno said:
Love the sight of a 986 loaded up in-corner. Lovely.

cmoose

18,585 posts

98 months

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First proper polish of 2012 for the Box.



JFReturns

2,502 posts

40 months

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Looks fantastic thumbup
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gemini

10,755 posts

133 months

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DecIded to keep mine too.
Going well and even convincing some of the TVR gang that poverty pork is the way to go!
Booked my chunnel ticket for the annual trip round France. 2400 miles of roof down I hope.

TryingHard

286 posts

100 months

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Picked up my poverty Pork yesterday and all seems well after the journey home.

Had a 2002 Boxster S about 4/5 years ago which I loved but sold as it wasn't being used. With the prices how they are it would be rude not to get another.

Spec:
2000 S in silver with black leather.
No options that I can see (unless climate control was)

Massive service history - bundle of receipts over 1" thick and recently had clutch, flywheel, IMS and RMS. All rads and condensors replaced in the last 18 months, new brakes all round (genuine from the invoice), wearing good Conti Sport Contact 2's. (This probably gies a clue as to which one I bought if anyone has been looking). Anything that needed doing was done mostly at Autofarm so comes with their extensive reports as well.

Slight wobble form the front between 65-75 - hoping this is wheel balancing/tyre but apart from that a most enjoyable drive home.

With the above having been done [high pitched slightly squeaky voice] what could possibly go wrong [and relax]?

CMoose you have email.





Edited by TryingHard on Thursday 17th May 09:40

dibblecorse

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2,203 posts

61 months

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TryingHard said:
Picked up my poverty Pork yesterday and all seems well after the journey home.

Had a 2002 Boxster S about 4/5 years ago which I loved but sold as it wasn't being used. With the prices how they are it would be rude not to get another.

Spec:
2000 S in silver with black leather.
No options that I can see (unless climate control was)

Massive service history - bundle of receipts over 1" thick and recently had clutch, flywheel, IMS and RMS. All rads and condensors replaced in the last 18 months, new brakes all round (genuine from the invoice), wearing good Conti Sport Contact 2's. (This probably gies a clue as to which one I bought if anyone has been looking). Anything that needed doing was done mostly at Autofarm so comes with their extensive reports as well.

Slight wobble form the front between 65-75 - hoping this is wheel balancing/tyre but apart from that a most enjoyable drive home.

With the above having been done [high pitched slightly squeaky voice] what could possibly go wrong [and relax]?

CMoose you have email.





Edited by TryingHard on Thursday 17th May 09:40
Nice work, i think we're buidling quite a little poverty stricken community here smile

Get a few pics up ....

Here is a shot of Bluebell with her new roof ...


cmoose

18,585 posts

98 months

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Good work - somehow the small window gives it a bit of a speedster look!

dibblecorse

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2,203 posts

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cmoose said:
Good work - somehow the small window gives it a bit of a speedster look!
yeah, I like it, I know others dont but its morethan adequate plus heated and no more Boxster Chop required, also being able to see through it compared to the slightly milky 14 year old plastic screen it had before more than makes up for a little shrinkage !!!

TryingHard

286 posts

100 months

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dibblecorse said:
yeah, I like it, I know others dont but its morethan adequate plus heated and no more Boxster Chop required, also being able to see through it compared to the slightly milky 14 year old plastic screen it had before more than makes up for a little shrinkage !!!
The Boxster chop is annoying. My previous one has the glass screen along with SmartTop and the ability to just drop the roof at a set of lights and pull away while it finished meant I had the roof down a lot more as it was more opportunistic.

Will be doing the relay hack on my new one so I can raise it in similar situations but need to try lowering it a bit without the chop to see if I can get away with it when its warm.

woogie

3,109 posts

121 months

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cmoose said:
First proper polish of 2012 for the Box.


Thats looks lovely, are they the standard 17' rims ?

cmoose

18,585 posts

98 months

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woogie said:
Thats looks lovely, are they the standard 17' rims ?
Yep. IMHO, 17s are poifect for the 986. No need for anything bigger. The Boxster S Twists are nice, too.

woogie

3,109 posts

121 months

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Guys I need some advice, the car passed its MOT on Friday but as I let a Porsche Indy take it in for me they gave me a list of recommendations !!!! I totalled this up and its just shy of 2500 quid when I add VAT banghead

High priority :

Rear brake discs, pads and sensor - 325.07
Brake fluid replacement - 75.07
Exhaust reseal - Parts 136.73
Labour 239.80


Medium Priority:
Replacement of coil packs - Labour 59.95 Parts 229.74
Replacement of front wishbones - Labour 119.90
Parts 208.18 (We can off OEM units at a discounted price)
Replacement of rear wishbones - Labour 119.90 Parts 208.18
(If all 4 are done in a group, we can offer a discount on labour)

Replacement of steering track rod - Labour 119.90 Parts 52.81
(Estimated for replacement of one T.R.E,Recommend these are replaced in pairs)
4 Wheel alignment - 145



So has anyone any advice as surely if it sailed through MOT this cant be that urgent ?

Rear brakes need doing? Well if they did surely it would have failed? They say the exhaust thingy is common and will need doing or I will face a lot higher bill.

It all seems a little expensive to me and do I really need to go to a Porsche Indy to have these bits fitted, its a cheap 13 year old car not a new GT3?

Anyone any thoughts?

thanks

woogie

3,109 posts

121 months

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cmoose said:
Yep. IMHO, 17s are poifect for the 986. No need for anything bigger. The Boxster S Twists are nice, too.
Same ones as mine then, I may get mine refurbed to your standard.

cmoose

18,585 posts

98 months

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woogie said:
High priority :
Rear brake discs, pads and sensor - 325.07
Brake fluid replacement - 75.07
Exhaust reseal - Parts 136.73
Labour 239.80

Medium Priority:
Replacement of coil packs - Labour 59.95 Parts 229.74
Replacement of front wishbones - Labour 119.90
Parts 208.18 (We can off OEM units at a discounted price)
Replacement of rear wishbones - Labour 119.90 Parts 208.18
(If all 4 are done in a group, we can offer a discount on labour)

Replacement of steering track rod - Labour 119.90 Parts 52.81
(Estimated for replacement of one T.R.E,Recommend these are replaced in pairs)
4 Wheel alignment - 145
If the brakes need doing, do them yourself. It's an easy job and that £325 figure will buy you a full set of pads and discs for four corners. My advice is look at the brakes youself. Is there meat on the pads? Do the discs have a really deep lip? Etc. If it passed an MOT, this is not urgent.

Exhaust reseal - not sure what this is, but based on the rest of the list I'd be skeptical and would be looking for a second opinion.

If by wishbones you mean coffins arms, you can get them for about £65 a pop for pattern parts. Is your suspension creaking? Again, if it passed an MOT, it's not going to be super urgent.

Coil packs - if the car is running fine, it's not urgent - one or two might look a bit battered on the outside, but so long as the car is running OK, it's not urgent. Again, not a hard job DIY - very easy, in fact. Buy your own coil packs, you'll get Bosch items for less than the quoted price.

Hard to make an overall judgement on the cut of this indy's jib without having spoken to them and seeing what their attitude is. But over £300 to do the rear discs and pads I find pretty offensive.

The key metric for me is always "is there anything that's going to cause regret because neglecting it today means much bigger bill tomorrow." I don't see anything here that fits that with the possible exception of the exhaust.

Generally, on a car like this I'd want to see the Indy engaging with you and taking a reasonable approach given the value of the car. If they just chuck a £2,500 list at you, I wouldn't view them terribly favourably.

To be honest, my experience of Porsche Indies is that they struggle with having the right mindset for these cars. They're used to owners who assume Porsche = big bills. There's nothing terribly exotic about these cars, for the most part.

Ultimately, throwing a suggested list of works at a customer that adds up to half or more the value of what is a mainstream motor and not some precious classic and doing so without proper discussion of priorities strikes me as being pretty stupid. These cars are getting on and you're always going to be able to identify thousands of pounds worth of work. What you want from an Indy is confidence that they will help you keep on top of what actually matters.

Edited by cmoose on Sunday 20th May 22:53

cmoose

18,585 posts

98 months

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woogie said:
Same ones as mine then, I may get mine refurbed to your standard.
Mine are pretty good from 10m away. Plenty of minor marks up close, just no actual kerbing.

snorkel sucker

2,149 posts

72 months

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^^^

Possibly one of the most sensible posts I have heard and oh-so true when it comes to getting older cars serviced.

I would be looking at what is top of my priority list and working through them that way.

Try BrakesInternational for some reasonably priced brake parts, and then either DIY or a decent local garage to fit them. The other bits, as cmoose says.

You have a valid MOT and, in my opinion, if any of those items were at a critical stage, surely the car should/would have failed.

Don't dispair - do some internet parts-searching and take your business elsewhere nextime (the indy, not PH!)

cmoose

18,585 posts

98 months

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To be honest, the more I think about it, the more a list like that pisses me off. A really good Indy would be having a discussion with you, telling you things like for God's sake, let's have it in every 5k to change the oil and wrry about the rest later, giving the cooling system a bloody good look at, working out how old the water pump is, all that jazz - you know, the things that actually matter, not slightly knackered suspension or coils with a few cracks in them, all of which is inevitable and frankly superficial by comparison.

Of course, that all takes a bit of effort. Much easier to stick it on the ramp for a 30 second visual scan for all the easy to see wear points. You'd barely need to put it on the ramp to draw up a list like that.


woogie

3,109 posts

121 months

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cmoose said:
If the brakes need doing, do them yourself. It's an easy job and that £325 figure will buy you a full set of pads and discs for four corners. My advice is look at the brakes youself. Is there meat on the pads? Do the discs have a really deep lip? Etc. If it passed an MOT, this is not urgent.

Exhaust reseal - not sure what this is, but based on the rest of the list I'd be skeptical and would be looking for a second opinion.

If by wishbones you mean coffins arms, you can get them for about £65 a pop for pattern parts. Is your suspension creaking? Again, if it passed an MOT, it's not going to be super urgent.

Coil packs - if the car is running fine, it's not urgent - one or two might look a bit battered on the outside, but so long as the car is running OK, it's not urgent. Again, not a hard job DIY - very easy, in fact. Buy your own coil packs, you'll get Bosch items for less than the quoted price.

Hard to make an overall judgement on the cut of this indy's jib without having spoken to them and seeing what their attitude is. But over £300 to do the rear discs and pads I find pretty offensive.

The key metric for me is always "is there anything that's going to cause regret because neglecting it today means much bigger bill tomorrow." I don't see anything here that fits that with the possible exception of the exhaust.

Generally, on a car like this I'd want to see the Indy engaging with you and taking a reasonable approach given the value of the car. If they just chuck a £2,500 list at you, I wouldn't view them terribly favourably.

To be honest, my experience of Porsche Indies is that they struggle with having the right mindset for these cars. They're used to owners who assume Porsche = big bills. There's nothing terribly exotic about these cars, for the most part.

Ultimately, throwing a suggested list of works at a customer that adds up to half or more the value of what is a mainstream motor and not some precious classic and doing so without proper discussion of priorities strikes me as being pretty stupid. These cars are getting on and you're always going to be able to identify thousands of pounds worth of work. What you want from an Indy is confidence that they will help you keep on top of what actually matters.

Edited by cmoose on Thursday 17th May 13:18
Thanks for the advice, the car drives lovely. The only problem I can see is the steering vibrates a little at so this maybe where the track rod ends come into play, they say its best to change both . Other than that the exhaust sounds fine, the suspension does not creek . The brakes seem fine, OK they have a small lip on them but then they stop me fine and like you said if they were dangerous they would have failed MOT.

I think maybe I will take to Autostrasse who are an Indy one mile from my mothers house and ask them about the exhaust for a second opinion and maybe get the track rod ends done . Other than that maybe they are just trying to scare me .

Cheers

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