I've just bought some poverty Pork…

[andy97]

ATM said:

These are starting to look cheap to me, almost poverty.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201965610958

I think this is the cheapest (non Cat c/d) Cayman I have seen.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

(ETA - just re-read the advert and see it has a "slight tappet noise")

A couple of 2.7s with just over 100k miles for less than £10k, too.

Edited by andy97 on Friday 21st July 07:03

[Welshbeef]

Is a gen 1 Cayman really he one to go for or instead a 944/968 is the better purist buy?

[lilwashu]

The 944 (and by definition the 968) was designed in the 1970s and this is extremely apparent when you drive one - I find them horribly dated and do not enjoy driving them (not to mention the 968 rear end looks like an accident). A few years ago someone suggesting a front engined water cooled Porsche as a pure Porsche driving experience would be sneered at - for some reason this view has changed (probably to due with "future investment" types) so it all comes down to your taste.

[Fast Bug]

I was left a 968 Sport for a few days when my 996 was in for some work. I loved it, you need to wring it's neck to get the best out of it, but I don't see that as a bad thing

[edh]

anonymous said:

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I agree with most of that (apart from the styling, which I love). I've had various 944's for the past 15 years or so.

Well sorted ones are great to drive, even the lower powered 8v cars.

They don't stack up as particularly great value vs boxsters at the moment. Quite a few low mileage cars are being punted at crazy prices at the moment Rust is the biggest issue in many cheaper 944's IMO.

[NJH]

Engines are also pretty much bullet proof and can take a beating on track even in race cars with 0 modifications applied. Try that with 986/996 water cooled engines.

[EGTE]

I thought they had head gasket issues (although otherwise strong, I agree).

[edh]

Headgasket only on turbos - na fine.

Although I have broken a 944 engine at spa...oil pickup fractured.

[Welshbeef]

944 S2 engines are pretty special.
3ltr 4 cylinder massive torque (relative).

Transaxle so lovely 50:50 distribution.

[ATM]

Hartech closed deck full rebuild already and car only on 31685 miles.

2007
£18495


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

[skinny]

Good find!

[Welshbeef]

ATM said:

Hartech closed deck full rebuild already and car only on 31685 miles.

2007
£18495


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...

Personally I find the need to have engine rebuilds on mass production cars which are fairly new in this day and age utterly appalling.
Porsche have gone cheap with the IMS the bore scoring and whatever issues on the Boxster and Cayman.
Frankly not good enough.

[NJH]

EGTE said:

I thought they had head gasket issues (although otherwise strong, I agree).

Age related as on pretty much any car. This tells you something about how bullet proof those engines are, garages such as Hartech started seeing cars where the HG had rotted from age/miles, this quickly spread round the community so people started thinking about doing the HG on a car that is/was otherwise running fine as a precaution.

Going back 20 years the gen was you had to be very careful of overheating the engine, if they overheated the really tight piston clearances could cause a scrape or seizure. Having said that I have never known someone who did this to an S2 or 968 but been told about it by a couple of garages over the years.

Ed as above fractured his oil pickup, again only time I have heard of that, some stateside turbo racers managed it where historically it was understood that removing the balance shafts for more power and less weight created too much vibration and eventually cracked the pipe.

A few engines bore scored if not from overheating, from ingress of stuff being sucked in to the engine (unbelievably unlucky).

Cams on late S2 and some 968 could wear out to quickly, was a manufacturing problem with case hardening or something. My old 968 had had the top end rebuilt for that but to put it into context that was at 105k miles.

Close friend of mine is going for a record with his S2, I thought he was at 270k miles but apparently is more like 400k miles. Unfortunately he told me the other week he met a couple from outside the UK much higher. ( car is infamous in club circles, he proved he didn't crash the thing on the nurburgring by pointing out the rust on the dents!)

[edh]

NJH said:

Ed as above fractured his oil pickup, again only time I have heard of that, some stateside turbo racers managed it where historically it was understood that removing the balance shafts for more power and less weight created too much vibration and eventually cracked the pipe.

It was a very old engine - 235k miles on it... Didn't eldavo have a pickup fracture as well? New engine is noticeably stronger - no surprise I guess.

When I took the old engine apart the hg was a fair bit worse for wear, but it had still run fine. Bores were also clean, amazingly little wear really apart from shells. I think the bottom ends are very substantial & strong.

[NJH]

Didn't know you had that many miles Ed, pretty amazing really as you could guess it just got brittle and cracked from 235k miles worth of heat and vibration.

They are massively over engineered mechanically but there all old cars now so I don't feel any more that they stack up as poverty pork against stuff like a 2.7 boxster for example.

[Plate spinner]

Well I've bought some poverty Pork of my own. After 6 years of ownership the caterham was becoming a garage ornament - great for track days / road trips, but too much of a faff to use on the spur of the moment.

So I'm now the proud owner of £5k 986 Boxster S with low miles. 2000 MY, silver, black heated leather.

Not really had a chance to drive it since plonking in the garage a few weeks ago, but have some time free in August to get to know it.

On the drive back though it seems a lovely little thing. Looking forward to seeing how we get on.

[snotrag]

No Poverty Porsche posts in August? We can't have this thread (and excellent resource!) disappearing into the mire!

Anyone spotted any bargains recently?

My 2002 2.7 is no driving better than ever with its all new suspension and Koni's.

I'm sorely tempted to add a bit more 'character' though and make it a bit louder and livelier.

[yajeed]

Maybe I could selfishly use the attention that'll be paid to the thread now it's bumped to have someone help diagnose a problem with my poverty pork 987.

It's intermittent, which doesn't help, but the gist of it is that the car has started behaving strangely when the ignition is off.

When it's on, all is good and no odd behavior.

However, when I turn the ignition off to leave the car, the drivers window drops and raises randomly (as if I was pulling the door handle). If I try to lock it, the horn sounds multiple times, again as if it thinks the door is open, then is being closed and opened again. The puddle lights illuminate and stay lit.

If I get back in the car and start it, the puddle lights go out, the window raises to the top, and when opening and closing the door, everything works perfectly.

What's puzzling me is:

1) I don't know how it works out whether the door is open or not - I've read about multiple microswitches but don't know which one to start with
2) Why does starting the engine fix everything? Could this be something as simple as a bad earth?

Any hints appreciated before it ends up back with Porsche.

[ATM]

I keep thinking I want to try a 986 again because I have such found memories of mine from back in 2004. But as I already have a 981 and a 996 it seems a bit silly.

[andy97]

ATM said:

I keep thinking I want to try a 986 again because I have such found memories of mine from back in 2004. But as I already have a 981 and a 996 it seems a bit silly.

I don't agree, seems perfectly reasonable to me.