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andy97 said:
edh said:
Makes a 986 look good value
Not if you factor in the cost of the Hartech engine rebuild for the 986!ATM said:
Plate spinner said:
I think after 2007 or so the stated emissions go down slightly.
Why would the emissions go down on the 2007 compared to a 2006 - its the same car and engine surelyBeard time. Early 987 cars were rated 229g.
So pre March 06 cars were about £300 and post the new K/L band introduction they were about £500.
Then the 2007 cars are rated lower at 222g, probably an ecu tune, maybe a uk specific thing because the new tax banding was a real talking point, not sure. But these cars are back to about £300.
So worth thinking about. There are cars stuck in that few month period that cost an additional £200 a year to tax. Many won't care, but in my view it just adds £1,000 of wasted cost over 5 years of ownership. And seeing as they won't retrospectively change the bandings, those cars will always be more expensive to tax and hence harder to move on / will likely need to be cheaper than both newer and older 987s of a very similar vintage.
edh said:
andy97 said:
edh said:
Makes a 986 look good value
Not if you factor in the cost of the Hartech engine rebuild for the 986!
I merely pointed out a "poverty" spec Porsche in my recent post, that just happens to be a 944. I didnt realise that the only poverty spec car allowed was a Boxster!
andy97 said:
But just as people say that engines letting go on 986 isnt that common, im not convinced that sills etc are a given on 944s. None of my former 2.7, 944T, 924S race car or current 944T racer suffer. And generally id suggest that body work is an easier fix, and i dont know of anyone thats done a reshell due to rot.
I merely pointed out a "poverty" spec Porsche in my recent post, that just happens to be a 944. I didnt realise that the only poverty spec car allowed was a Boxster!
I thought you were just trolling Andy...so I replied in kind I merely pointed out a "poverty" spec Porsche in my recent post, that just happens to be a 944. I didnt realise that the only poverty spec car allowed was a Boxster!
There's a thread on PCGB at the moment on a nice looking 944 with major rot... I've seen plenty.
Wouldn't expect to find it on racecars
I love 944's, currently spending a fair wedge on mine - clutch, fuel lines, rear axle refurb, then some bodywork to address a few minor (i hope) rust issues.
Given the increase in 944 prices, boxsters are looking pretty good value. A good 996 is cheaper than a good 944 turbo now - makes an interesting choice. Would I swap mine for a 944t? Don't think so.
Plate spinner said:
So worth thinking about. There are cars stuck in that few month period that cost an additional £200 a year to tax. Many won't care, but in my view it just adds £1,000 of wasted cost over 5 years of ownership. And seeing as they won't retrospectively change the bandings, those cars will always be more expensive to tax and hence harder to move on / will likely need to be cheaper than both newer and older 987s of a very similar vintage.
That's how I have always looked at it. I don't think many people would care so much on a brand new, £50k car, but as these move well into four figures it makes much more of a difference.ooid said:
billzeebub said:
Engine rebuilds on a 986?! Really?! Not been a problem on any of the four 3.2 986s I've owned and covered approx 80k miles in. Its the later 3.4s/3.6s that are the choccy engines supposedly
Out of curiosity, why did you own 4 x 986 S? Edited by billzeebub on Thursday 26th October 18:45
Just thought I'd add to this thread - I bought my £5k poverty pork Porsche Boxster S 986 back in June and it really is is a very decent thing. I've put about 1,500 miles on it including a track day and I really rather like it.
The engine pulls hard and howls nicely with the sports exhaust - not sure if genuine or aftermarket.
It's a genuine organic nat asp sound, not micro controlled with pops and bangs. The throttle responsiveness is nice too - no mush, no delays. The 6 speed manual is positive, direct and responds well to fast changes when warmed up. And heel/toe down through the gears is very satisfying.
The driving position, balance and handling of the thing is just lovely - at both modest touring speeds and at 10/10ths on track - it's my first car that doesn't have the engine up front and I'm loving learning to get the best from it. On track it's limitations are clear - but as a road car, as per the deign brief no doubt, I think the set up is spot on.
The brakes are not only strong, but have bite right from the top of the pedal travel and are so progressive - none of this snatchy over-servoed feel some modern cars have.
Everything works and there are no real squeaks or rattles. It's nicely proportioned, surprisingly practical with decent storage and a power hood - and I actually think the shape is ageing quite nicely on modest 17" wheels. Strange, as I wasn't much of a fan in its early years.
I know certain engines of this era can be fragile, they cost more than average in parts / servicing and at this age money will need to be drip fed in to keep wear and tear parts fresh. And I know I look like a berk if I drive it roof down through a town... And of course I know it's not really fast in any given metric against modern stuff. And it has a tape deck. And crap speakers. And a dated interior. And the front overhang is a bit ungainly.
But as a car to just drive and enjoy, I'm still a bit surprised that £5k buys something so decent that really ticks my boxes. And it's unlikely to depreciate much if I keep it in good condition, so it's not costing an arm and a leg to own.
So, just my two penneth worth!
The engine pulls hard and howls nicely with the sports exhaust - not sure if genuine or aftermarket.
It's a genuine organic nat asp sound, not micro controlled with pops and bangs. The throttle responsiveness is nice too - no mush, no delays. The 6 speed manual is positive, direct and responds well to fast changes when warmed up. And heel/toe down through the gears is very satisfying.
The driving position, balance and handling of the thing is just lovely - at both modest touring speeds and at 10/10ths on track - it's my first car that doesn't have the engine up front and I'm loving learning to get the best from it. On track it's limitations are clear - but as a road car, as per the deign brief no doubt, I think the set up is spot on.
The brakes are not only strong, but have bite right from the top of the pedal travel and are so progressive - none of this snatchy over-servoed feel some modern cars have.
Everything works and there are no real squeaks or rattles. It's nicely proportioned, surprisingly practical with decent storage and a power hood - and I actually think the shape is ageing quite nicely on modest 17" wheels. Strange, as I wasn't much of a fan in its early years.
I know certain engines of this era can be fragile, they cost more than average in parts / servicing and at this age money will need to be drip fed in to keep wear and tear parts fresh. And I know I look like a berk if I drive it roof down through a town... And of course I know it's not really fast in any given metric against modern stuff. And it has a tape deck. And crap speakers. And a dated interior. And the front overhang is a bit ungainly.
But as a car to just drive and enjoy, I'm still a bit surprised that £5k buys something so decent that really ticks my boxes. And it's unlikely to depreciate much if I keep it in good condition, so it's not costing an arm and a leg to own.
So, just my two penneth worth!
http://www.boxa.net/forum/topic/74568-boxster-986s...
That must be quite rare. IMS bearing already replaced, rest of the car looking good as new (minus the gold wheels) and your engine oil looking like liquid glitter.
That must be quite rare. IMS bearing already replaced, rest of the car looking good as new (minus the gold wheels) and your engine oil looking like liquid glitter.
Plate spinner said:
Yup, current bargain. I think within a few years values of good cars will steadily climb.
Agreed. However I think it something of a (quite convenient for some of us!) travesty that they are as unloved as they are, considering what they offer. As with moose I don't get the delta in prices between these and 996s for example. It makes zero sense (even if you need two back seats, each one can't be worth a whole 986, Shirley?).Your earlier post sums up what I love about them - practical and better than decent to drive in all respects, if not fast in any sense. Love the complex and musical noises made by the engine (when running right at least), which combine with the rightness of the control weights / responses and the chassis itself to make a very satisfying driving tool in my opinion. It's not an Elise-type deal (a pure, light-weight "sports car") but is measurably more appealing than say a 3 series or similar sporting saloon (good though those such cars may be). Slower than a modern hot hatch (what isn't, this side of stupid money?) but a different kind of fun / satisfaction I think, despite being a similarly rounded ownership proposition in many respects.
The "berk factor" can be mitigated by awaiting the outskirts before lowering roof (actually surprisingly a better option in winter when you're not irradiating yourself by so doing) and then driving discretely and briskly enough to be under the radar in every sense
I'd pay extra for a proper tin-top version of a 986, but given how good the rest of the package is for the current asking price, it seems vaguely churlish to even mention it! These are sort of cars that any keen driver owes it to themselves to try, even if not to own. Porsche is acquired taste as a brand and image concerns are not entirely illegitimate (not everyone buys one as a badge of socio-economic status, even if rather too many may do so) but that's the case with so much in life. Enjoy it for what it is (attainable, well-resolved and moderately-special sporting transport) and you can't go far wrong in my opinion.
Diesel Meister said:
Agreed. However I think it something of a (quite convenient for some of us!) travesty that they are as unloved as they are, considering what they offer. As with moose I don't get the delta in prices between these and 996s for example. It makes zero sense (even if you need two back seats, each one can't be worth a whole 986, Shirley?).
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Having owned both I can say that they are very different cars. They feel and handle completely differently..
Plate spinner said:
Just thought I'd add to this thread - I bought my £5k poverty pork Porsche Boxster S 986 back in June and it really is is a very decent thing. I've put about 1,500 miles on it including a track day and I really rather like it.
The engine pulls hard and howls nicely with the sports exhaust - not sure if genuine or aftermarket.
It's a genuine organic nat asp sound, not micro controlled with pops and bangs.
Had to comment. I've driven in and owned some lovely cars (never a Porsche) including an R8 V8 now, but one of my most enjoyable driving pleasures was taking out a 986 Boxster S on a test drive one summery evening out Surrey way and making it howl down the country lanes. I don't think I've heard a more appealing engine sound, and because it wasn't so overpowered you could give it some beans, without fear of losing your license, and really hear her open up. Great car.The engine pulls hard and howls nicely with the sports exhaust - not sure if genuine or aftermarket.
It's a genuine organic nat asp sound, not micro controlled with pops and bangs.
I do in principle get the whole 986 bargain thing, and indeed have recommended them to friends in the past. But for me personally they just don't really hit the spot. Several parts to this:
1) their looks do absolutely nothing for me from the doors back, esp with the roof up. If I'm buying a Porsche sports car, I want to love looking at all of it, not just the front!
2) again, if I'm buying a Porsche, while I don't expect it to be mega fast, but I do expect it to have a decent bit of go to it. if it's going to be a reasonably modern car and hovering around or over 6s to 60mph, it really has to be an older Elise or similar where the tactility of it really makes up for the modest power-to-weight
3) ironically I think they're too competent and not quirky enough: I would take (and have taken) an S2000 over a an early 2.5/2.7 Boxster when they were all around the £12K mark 10 years ago. Worse handling, worse feel and with much less usable power. BUT, the bonkers digital dash, fab gearchange, funky outside looks and the knowledge you could (indeed had to!) rev it to 9K more than made up for it. How a sportscar makes you feel is at least as important as how it drives, so if you're Mr/Ms Regular Punter looking for a cheap sportscar, unless you're a badge snob and HAVE to have a Porsche, or are particularly enamored with Porsche handling/control feel, there's a lot of other stuff for sale at similar money
4) maintenance prices - whether or not it's true, Porsches are considered expensive to run. Sure there are ways to mitigate this but they're not likely to be known to the average cheap car buyer, and psychologically even knowing what I know I'd still have a lot less trouble paying a £1K service maintenance bill on a £15K 996 then on a £7K 986
Now, most of the above is subjective - apart from the bits where Box is a better drive(!) - but I think it may go some way to explain the low price of them due to lack of demand, over say something like an early 996 which is:
- more practical
- significantly gruntier/faster
- likely considered better looking by the average potential buyer
- similar-ish headline servicing/maintenance costs (excluding engine poppage)
- quite possibly what you had a poster of when you were little
- available as a coupe or a cab depending on what takes your fancy
All of that to me is worth the 996 over 986 premium. But....
The good news is, the low prices keep threads like this running which I really enjoy reading And also mean that all the fine people here get to keep buying these 986s at prices which they consider a bargain
1) their looks do absolutely nothing for me from the doors back, esp with the roof up. If I'm buying a Porsche sports car, I want to love looking at all of it, not just the front!
2) again, if I'm buying a Porsche, while I don't expect it to be mega fast, but I do expect it to have a decent bit of go to it. if it's going to be a reasonably modern car and hovering around or over 6s to 60mph, it really has to be an older Elise or similar where the tactility of it really makes up for the modest power-to-weight
3) ironically I think they're too competent and not quirky enough: I would take (and have taken) an S2000 over a an early 2.5/2.7 Boxster when they were all around the £12K mark 10 years ago. Worse handling, worse feel and with much less usable power. BUT, the bonkers digital dash, fab gearchange, funky outside looks and the knowledge you could (indeed had to!) rev it to 9K more than made up for it. How a sportscar makes you feel is at least as important as how it drives, so if you're Mr/Ms Regular Punter looking for a cheap sportscar, unless you're a badge snob and HAVE to have a Porsche, or are particularly enamored with Porsche handling/control feel, there's a lot of other stuff for sale at similar money
4) maintenance prices - whether or not it's true, Porsches are considered expensive to run. Sure there are ways to mitigate this but they're not likely to be known to the average cheap car buyer, and psychologically even knowing what I know I'd still have a lot less trouble paying a £1K service maintenance bill on a £15K 996 then on a £7K 986
Now, most of the above is subjective - apart from the bits where Box is a better drive(!) - but I think it may go some way to explain the low price of them due to lack of demand, over say something like an early 996 which is:
- more practical
- significantly gruntier/faster
- likely considered better looking by the average potential buyer
- similar-ish headline servicing/maintenance costs (excluding engine poppage)
- quite possibly what you had a poster of when you were little
- available as a coupe or a cab depending on what takes your fancy
All of that to me is worth the 996 over 986 premium. But....
The good news is, the low prices keep threads like this running which I really enjoy reading
And also mean that all the fine people here get to keep buying these 986s at prices which they consider a bargain Edited by Mario149 on Friday 3rd November 13:36
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