Discussion
David W. said:
Cayenne good for all circumstances but they are a wide vehicle to hustle along country lanes or congested cities which is where the Macan would have an advantage as it's a nippier size. dw
I own a Cayenne, and don't have any width issues whatsoever on country lanes or in the city. They are only 1.6cm wider than the Macan, hardly enought to call one 'nippier' than the other.Cobnapint said:
David W. said:
Cayenne good for all circumstances but they are a wide vehicle to hustle along country lanes or congested cities which is where the Macan would have an advantage as it's a nippier size. dw
I own a Cayenne, and don't have any width issues whatsoever on country lanes or in the city. They are only 1.6cm wider than the Macan, hardly enought to call one 'nippier' than the other.I'm not saying the Cayenne is a poor car, it's not, it is head and shoulders better than other large SUVs, but the Macan is a game changer for the entire sector. I would imagine that the gen II Cayenne due late this year will be a significant improvement on the current model and that is something to realy look forward to.
Cobnapint said:
I own a Cayenne, and don't have any width issues whatsoever on country lanes or in the city. They are only 1.6cm wider than the Macan, hardly enought to call one 'nippier' than the other.
Hadn't checked on spec sheet width, it was an impression I got from sitting in both vehicles.Interesting it's so close. I don't have "issues" with Cayenne either but when driving something narrower it does highlight what seem more available opportunities to overtake sometimes making a slower car just as quick!
Cobnapint said:
I own a Cayenne, and don't have any width issues whatsoever on country lanes or in the city. They are only 1.6cm wider than the Macan, hardly enought to call one 'nippier' than the other.
Hadn't checked on spec sheet width, it was an impression I got from sitting in both vehicles.Interesting it's so close. I don't have "issues" with Cayenne either but when driving something narrower it does highlight what seem more available opportunities to overtake sometimes making a slower car just as quick!
Cobnapint said:
David W. said:
Cayenne good for all circumstances but they are a wide vehicle to hustle along country lanes or congested cities which is where the Macan would have an advantage as it's a nippier size. dw
I own a Cayenne, and don't have any width issues whatsoever on country lanes or in the city. They are only 1.6cm wider than the Macan, hardly enought to call one 'nippier' than the other.Edited by Callughan on Wednesday 30th April 14:34
Callughan said:
I found my Cayenne to wide for the way I drive, surprised Macan only slightly narrower, the Evoque I have now is much more manoeuvrable.
If you think a Cayenne is unwieldy, try a new Range Rover Sport - it felt so wide that I could get to my destination by simply getting in one side and getting out of the other 
On a serious note, the Cayenne does feel a lot wider than my old BMW 3 series, but I think part of it is the height, making it hard to see cues about how close you are to other cars and the kerb. If you can't see the sides of obstacles on the nearside, then you tend to drive further away from them and the car feels wider. That's my observation anyway. Of course it *is* a lot wider than a 2007-era small estate, but then so is almost any medium-sized car launched in the last few years.
Pete
David W. said:
Got a chance to sit in a Macan at Cambridge OPC today. Verdict on much discussed rear seat room is yes it's a bit tight. I'm 6'2" and sitting behind myself my knees were up against front seat back. This would be not good on a long run but just about ok on short trips. Rear door opening seemed more restrictive than ideal too.
Getting in a Cayenne felt instantly more comfortable, more at home to me as a older Cayenne owner with around 3" knee to seat clearance.
So.
Macan fine if you travel mostly 2 up and fine for 2 children in the back up until teenage age I'd guess and 2 adults for short trips. The boot seemed deeper (longer) than I expected and I'd have thought 2-3" of that length could have been better used by the rear cabin area. It's a great looking vehicle in the flesh.
Cayenne good for all circumstances but they are a wide vehicle to hustle along country lanes or congested cities which is where the Macan would have an advantage as it's a nippier size. Interior and fittings top quality as expected.
The showroom was mega busy, good to see so much interest in the brand.
dw
Not sure if I posted this earlier but if you sat in the back after turning ignition off and it had sports seats the front seat would have moved back after you got out. Initially I thought the same as you but when I got back in and turned ignition on front seat moved Forward quite a bit to the original position, I'm 6'Getting in a Cayenne felt instantly more comfortable, more at home to me as a older Cayenne owner with around 3" knee to seat clearance.
So.
Macan fine if you travel mostly 2 up and fine for 2 children in the back up until teenage age I'd guess and 2 adults for short trips. The boot seemed deeper (longer) than I expected and I'd have thought 2-3" of that length could have been better used by the rear cabin area. It's a great looking vehicle in the flesh.
Cayenne good for all circumstances but they are a wide vehicle to hustle along country lanes or congested cities which is where the Macan would have an advantage as it's a nippier size. Interior and fittings top quality as expected.
The showroom was mega busy, good to see so much interest in the brand.
dw
red_slr said:
Car collected.
First thoughts:
Ride is fine - quiet and soft enough for in town but firm enough for spirited driving.
Balance is excellent.
Gearbox excellent.
Engine (diesel) is sweet in the low end, bit gutless above 3250.
Front view is great, very nice for in town and you can really see the road ahead.
General kit level is very good. Feels well bolted together. Nice materials.
Paint is a bit orange peeled but not the worst I have ever seen.
37mpg on the drive home.
So far, so good - will report back once I have some proper time behind the wheel.
Will post a few pics when I get chance.
Thankyou.First thoughts:
Ride is fine - quiet and soft enough for in town but firm enough for spirited driving.
Balance is excellent.
Gearbox excellent.
Engine (diesel) is sweet in the low end, bit gutless above 3250.
Front view is great, very nice for in town and you can really see the road ahead.
General kit level is very good. Feels well bolted together. Nice materials.
Paint is a bit orange peeled but not the worst I have ever seen.
37mpg on the drive home.
So far, so good - will report back once I have some proper time behind the wheel.
Will post a few pics when I get chance.
I'm sure the engine will free up and as the miles pile on it'll pull harder at higher revs and become more economical.
Keep us posted.
TBKBABAB said:
Not sure if I posted this earlier but if you sat in the back after turning ignition off and it had sports seats the front seat would have moved back after you got out. Initially I thought the same as you but when I got back in and turned ignition on front seat moved Forward quite a bit to the original position, I'm 6'
The car did not have the key in in the showroom but seat adjustment was live, don't think anything moved between me getting out of front and into back.Had a ride in the back of a V8 diesel Sport (not the newest one) this week, journey of 1 hr each way. Not as comfortable in the back as cayenne is.
dw
pete said:
Callughan said:
I found my Cayenne to wide for the way I drive, surprised Macan only slightly narrower, the Evoque I have now is much more manoeuvrable.
If you think a Cayenne is unwieldy, try a new Range Rover Sport - it felt so wide that I could get to my destination by simply getting in one side and getting out of the other On a serious note, the Cayenne does feel a lot wider than my old BMW 3 series, but I think part of it is the height, making it hard to see cues about how close you are to other cars and the kerb. If you can't see the sides of obstacles on the nearside, then you tend to drive further away from them and the car feels wider. That's my observation anyway. Of course it *is* a lot wider than a 2007-era small estate, but then so is almost any medium-sized car launched in the last few years.
Pete
Had a good poke around at last at the PEC last week and today when picking up our Cayenne, impressed with interior fit & finish and think it looks great outside and boot space is alright I thought. Rear legroom would have been too tight for our use so as much as we'd have liked the petrol Macan the Cayenne was the choice for us. It's not that it's unusable but if you're 4/5 adults up for a long drive it will get cosy in the back. As for hen's teeth, saw a black diesel with full beige interior waiting for handover and a few more dotted about probably waiting for PDIs - Reading seem to have a Turbo in the showroom and both petrol S and diesel S as demos which is a lot more than others seem to have.
The petrol 4 cylinder seems pretty poor value IMO considering an extra 3k gets you the Porsche engine (even if I can't get as excited about 'proper' Porsche engines after GT3gate...) rather than the Golf GTi and extra 100 horses to boot. On the other hand it certainly looks like a shrewd move by Porsche where they do NOT want the entry point into Porsche ownership to go below the Boxster/Cayman pricepoint especially when the Macan opens Porsche up as an option to new customers on the practicality/versatility front (not necessarily compared to rival SUVs but within the Porsche range).
The petrol 4 cylinder seems pretty poor value IMO considering an extra 3k gets you the Porsche engine (even if I can't get as excited about 'proper' Porsche engines after GT3gate...) rather than the Golf GTi and extra 100 horses to boot. On the other hand it certainly looks like a shrewd move by Porsche where they do NOT want the entry point into Porsche ownership to go below the Boxster/Cayman pricepoint especially when the Macan opens Porsche up as an option to new customers on the practicality/versatility front (not necessarily compared to rival SUVs but within the Porsche range).
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