Porsche Macan

[TBKBABAB]

Didnt realise quite what I had typed..... Actually meant no diesel version available there

[red_slr]

There was no problem for me to get a petrol or diesel for April delivery.
I did start my order as a petrol then when it came to it we switched to diesel only for re-sale as I think the petrol is not going to be as popular for re-sale.
I think it comes down to how long ago you showed interest in terms of the wait time for the petrol.
Most dealers are only getting a couple of cars a month - so that's probably not helping!

[Triple7]

458 Italia said:

I don't think the rarity of petrols has anything to do with sending them to the US, it's purely down to what the UK market ordered when they sorted the allocation.
I think Porsche themselves were surprised with the Diesel popularity.
Of the 537 used Evoques on LR approved used, 518 are Diesel.

I think some enthusiasts will buy petrol to have a 'real' Porsche engine, but in reality the SUV market in the UK is a Diesel one. Wait until they do the 2 litre Diesel, they will be everywhere, business users, younger market etc.

Porsche pre-allocated the majority of Macans for the UK as diesels, so petrol safe much harder to source. Evoques likewise, when they first came out, you could order a petrol, but you went into a pool with no definite delivery date....LR sent all the patrols overseas.....

[Fezzaman]

mrdemon said:

I do think most people like a big car esp an estate if they own a a dog. the Macan is a yummy mummies school run tall car, nothing more imo.

S6 Avant please just seems the best option if you have kids and a dog and want some poke under your foot or own bikes.
like wise better to take bikes out with you, I do miss not being able to take my MB to places or on holiday in the UK.

SUV is a stupid market, female owned seen at M&S car parks.

Everyone has different requirements.. for a family of 4 with no dog a Macan works and an S6 is more expensive and a fair bit longer I'd imagine. Also when comparing estates vs SUVs note that the SUV will more likely be able to seat 3 comfortably on the rear bench without an intrusive transmission tunnel like in most estates. Of course I fully accept these will turn up outside private schools over the course of the next couple of years.



Also, I couldn't resist but....
http://www.worldcarfans.com/114041073124/porsche-m...

[Miopyk]

I'm starting to think that the petrol S and Turbo are going to be in some demand on the second hand market in the near future. Yes the diesel is the sensible choice but given the petrol versions performance bias and the low numbers available it looks as though they might surprise us all from a residual perspective.

Of course I could be just hoping that based on the fact that I've ordered a Petrol S thats due for build in July . Anyone want to make me an offer:smoking:

Miopyk

[Pat Cash]

TBKBABAB said:

All the petrol Macans have been allocated to the U.S. no diesel available there.

And to China...

[Helicopter123]

Miopyk said:

I'm starting to think that the petrol S and Turbo are going to be in some demand on the second hand market in the near future. Yes the diesel is the sensible choice but given the petrol versions performance bias and the low numbers available it looks as though they might surprise us all from a residual perspective.

Of course I could be just hoping that based on the fact that I've ordered a Petrol S thats due for build in July . Anyone want to make me an offer:smoking:

Miopyk

I respect your wishful thinking but the clear expectation is that while all Macans will do well residual wise, the pecking order is Diesel then Turbo then Petrol for residuals after 3 years.

[red_slr]

Yes that's what Porsche seem to think if you look at their GFVs.

[Grandfondo]

Fezzaman said:

mrdemon said:

I do think most people like a big car esp an estate if they own a a dog. the Macan is a yummy mummies school run tall car, nothing more imo.

S6 Avant please just seems the best option if you have kids and a dog and want some poke under your foot or own bikes.
like wise better to take bikes out with you, I do miss not being able to take my MB to places or on holiday in the UK.

SUV is a stupid market, female owned seen at M&S car parks.

Everyone has different requirements.. for a family of 4 with no dog a Macan works and an S6 is more expensive and a fair bit longer I'd imagine. Also when comparing estates vs SUVs note that the SUV will more likely be able to seat 3 comfortably on the rear bench without an intrusive transmission tunnel like in most estates. Of course I fully accept these will turn up outside private schools over the course of the next couple of years.



Also, I couldn't resist but....
http://www.worldcarfans.com/114041073124/porsche-m...

Mrdemon surely if it's space you are looking at the Cayenne is already in place and the Macan was brought in as a "smaller" sportier SUV and of course cheaper!
If anything it would be the S4 against the Macan but of course the appeal of the Macan is the fact it is not a generic estate car with a fast engine!

[Miopyk]

Helicopter123 said:

Miopyk said:

I'm starting to think that the petrol S and Turbo are going to be in some demand on the second hand market in the near future. Yes the diesel is the sensible choice but given the petrol versions performance bias and the low numbers available it looks as though they might surprise us all from a residual perspective.

Of course I could be just hoping that based on the fact that I've ordered a Petrol S thats due for build in July . Anyone want to make me an offer:smoking:

Miopyk

I respect your wishful thinking but the clear expectation is that while all Macans will do well residual wise, the pecking order is Diesel then Turbo then Petrol for residuals after 3 years.

Well not so much wishful as I made a conscious decision to ditch all the advantages of the diesel for a bit more performance and noise. The trick here is I have one of 4 Petrol S cars being sold this year though my OPC and they told me they could have sold mine several times over. In 3 years time the diesel will be for sale on every street corner and will no doubt sell very quickly but the petrol, unless they increase UK allocation will still be pretty rare.

Either way I think the residuals quoted by Porsche are low enough on both versions to mean there will be a healthy level of equity to buy another.

Miopyk

[DYKWIA]

Miopyk said:

Well not so much wishful as I made a conscious decision to ditch all the advantages of the diesel for a bit more performance and noise. The trick here is I have one of 4 Petrol S cars being sold this year though my OPC and they told me they could have sold mine several times over. In 3 years time the diesel will be for sale on every street corner and will no doubt sell very quickly but the petrol, unless they increase UK allocation will still be pretty rare.

Either way I think the residuals quoted by Porsche are low enough on both versions to mean there will be a healthy level of equity to buy another.

Miopyk

Well I for one certainly hope there will be a few petrol Macans available as Approved Used with a suitably tempting price tag in three years time as I fully expect to be in the market for one then!

Edited by DYKWIA on Friday 11th April 16:48

[DiscoColin]

All of this diesel talk in the context of residuals is a bit forward thinking isn't it? After the recent smog drama a few people are starting to wake up to the negative aspects of the devils fuel, and if the politicians do too then changes to taxation could potentially make diesels less appealing than they currently are at some point. Just speculation of course, but since nobody has mentioned it...

Porsche is also a marque with customers who will not under any circumstances entertain buying a diesel car. Even if it is just a niche, there will always be buyers for petrol examples irrespective of where the dealers try to guide rank and file punters.

Until everything goes electric of course. It has a bit to go yet, but after a surprisingly impressive experience test driving the BMW i3 the other week I discovered that rechargeable cars are much closer to viability than I thought that they were - especially as a second vehicle.

[Luke.]

One just drove past me in Tonbridge. Was quite a surprise. Looked great.

[Callughan]

Does anyone know if Porsche West London extension is due to expected Macan sales?

[red_slr]

DiscoColin said:

All of this diesel talk in the context of residuals is a bit forward thinking isn't it? After the recent smog drama a few people are starting to wake up to the negative aspects of the devils fuel, and if the politicians do too then changes to taxation could potentially make diesels less appealing than they currently are at some point. Just speculation of course, but since nobody has mentioned it...

Porsche is also a marque with customers who will not under any circumstances entertain buying a diesel car. Even if it is just a niche, there will always be buyers for petrol examples irrespective of where the dealers try to guide rank and file punters.

Until everything goes electric of course. It has a bit to go yet, but after a surprisingly impressive experience test driving the BMW i3 the other week I discovered that rechargeable cars are much closer to viability than I thought that they were - especially as a second vehicle.

Porsche has adblue on this car - I think that's meant to go some way to prevent the pollution from the diesel. Amusingly in terms of CO2 the petrol is way worse.

[David W.]

Had a nose at 2 at Cambridge OPC today, well spec'ed ones look great in the flesh (wheel size etc) and rear legroom looked good too.
Diesel S, dark green with cream interior please.
dw

[red_slr]

What colour and wheels... and were they in the show room.....

[JonnyVTEC]

red_slr said:

Porsche has adblue on this car - I think that's meant to go some way to prevent the pollution from the diesel. Amusingly in terms of CO2 the petrol is way worse.

It's to combat NOx (nitrous Oxides) which comes in force for EU6 in 2015 to bring the emission level inline with a 2005 EU4 petrol.... Hence the ban of diesels would be applicable to much newer cars than patrols on that crack pot London emission proposal

[AndrewIC]

Callughan said:

Does anyone know if Porsche West London extension is due to expected Macan sales?

Well it is probably going to contribute towards it, but it has been in the works for donkies years. The current building is very old and tired and doesn't fit in with the 'Porsche Design' of large open space. I guess the Germans just wanted to see how the market was developing after 2008, to justify buying the land and paying for the construction.

[David W.]

JonnyVTEC said:

It's to combat NOx (nitrous Oxides) which comes in force for EU6 in 2015 to bring the emission level inline with a 2005 EU4 petrol.... Hence the ban of diesels would be applicable to much newer cars than patrols on that crack pot London emission proposal

As we see it in ag machinery, Adblue deals with the emissions in the exhaust without interfering with the engine. EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) is the other option offered by some makes which stifles some of the engine performance causing it to run hotter become more unreliable and use more fuel but not to develop power. Adblue every time for me.
dw

Edited by David W. on Sunday 13th April 20:59