NEW 981 BOXSTER OWNERS - PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS FORUM

NEW 981 BOXSTER OWNERS - PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS FORUM

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bobpies

10 posts

138 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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test drove the boxster - and while it is a fantastic looking car it looses its awesome looks i think once the roof goes up.
cayman is swinging it for me in terms of overall aesthetics .

do you think the release of the new cayman model will result in - a) a flood of 2nd hand caymans coming onto the market & b) the price of 2nd hand 2nd gen caymans coming down?

Moog72

1,598 posts

177 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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bobpies said:
test drove the boxster - and while it is a fantastic looking car it looses its awesome looks i think once the roof goes up
Simple answer to that, drive it with the roof down more! biggrin

Ullers

15 posts

138 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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bobpies said:
test drove the boxster - and while it is a fantastic looking car it looses its awesome looks i think once the roof goes up.
cayman is swinging it for me in terms of overall aesthetics .

do you think the release of the new cayman model will result in - a) a flood of 2nd hand caymans coming onto the market & b) the price of 2nd hand 2nd gen caymans coming down?
Without question, the prices of recent 2nd hand Caymans will drop (or have probably already dropped). There will also no doubt be deals on a new outgoing model. After all, who wants yesterday's model when the new one will be in a different league, unless your budget doesn't stretch, in which case grab a bargain on a 2nd generation.

Carl_Docklands

12,212 posts

262 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Ullers said:
bobpies said:
test drove the boxster - and while it is a fantastic looking car it looses its awesome looks i think once the roof goes up.
cayman is swinging it for me in terms of overall aesthetics .

do you think the release of the new cayman model will result in - a) a flood of 2nd hand caymans coming onto the market & b) the price of 2nd hand 2nd gen caymans coming down?
Without question, the prices of recent 2nd hand Caymans will drop (or have probably already dropped). There will also no doubt be deals on a new outgoing model. After all, who wants yesterday's model when the new one will be in a different league, unless your budget doesn't stretch, in which case grab a bargain on a 2nd generation.
Doubt it myself. There is 1 single, solitary 2009 Cayman PDK for sale on the OPC Network.

Not saying they won't keep dropping however, prices should remain solid.

RichB

51,589 posts

284 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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bobpies said:
test drove the boxster - and while it is a fantastic looking car it looses its awesome looks i think once the roof goes up.
I love convertible cars, always have. The way I look at is this, if the roof's up it's raining so I'm inside in the warm dry cabin and don't care what it looks like outside. If it's dry the roof's down and I'm enjoying open top motoring. smile

JOE981

1 posts

140 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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Don’t ever doubt that it will be worth the wait. That’s my advice for those who have just placed their orders for the new Porsche Boxster S.

The 981 is a revelation. There is nothing this side of a Ferrari 458 that feels as good to drive. And at less than a third of the price, is it even an option?

NO EQUAL

In the roadster segment there is no direct competitor for this tour de force.

Yes, there are faster cars, there are more luxurious cars, arguably there may be better looking cars, but I doubt that there is truly a better, more complete sports car.

At a base price of R750 000 it is relatively expensive. But the amazing thing is, even at that price, it represents an incredible bargain when it comes to how this car makes you, the driver, feel.

My previous car was a 2008 Boxster S. It was an exciting drive. Lively, fun and somewhat raw; it is, however, no 981.

STYLISH DESIGN

If I was blindfolded and the new interior was then revealed to me for the first time, there is no way I would ever have associated it with a Boxster.

The 987 interior was always lacking a little in the quality department. It was definitely functional and from an ergonomics point of view relatively faultless. But there was nothing special about it. My previous Audi TT always looked and felt so much better.

There is no longer a feeling that this is a baby cut-priced 911 moulded from big brother’s parts-bin. The interior has catapulted this vehicle into the upper echelons of sportscardom. Everything feels clean, stylish, functional and of exceptional quality.

Park this car next to a new 991 and you’ll be wondering why Porsche slipped up and made the Boxster a better looking car than its flagship. It is truly a masterpiece of automotive design. Styling elements from the Carrera GT and the soon-to-be-released 918 hyper-car abound.

From the stacked headlights to the deep side air intakes, the sculpted doors to the beautifully integrated rear spoiler, everything has been perfectly executed.

BLISTERING PERFORMANCE

The 3.4-litre boxer six engine is legendary. Mate this to the new PDK gearbox and optional Sports Chrono Pack and you are looking at 0-100km/h times of 4.7s and a top speed in excess of 280km/h!

The handling and poise is simply magnificent, which in turn instils an unmatched confidence in the driver.

I have always preferred a manual gearbox, but the PDK is brilliant. Simply put, the PDK makes you a much better driver than you think you already are. The blips on down changes are totally addictive especially when matched with the Porsche Sports Exhaust and gear changes are instantaneous and transitionless (yes, I made that word up).

ASIDE
Back to that PSE – It is amazing! After 3000miles the sound with the top down is simply intoxicating. My previous 987S had the standard exhaust and I always wanted to upgrade the system for a sportier more aggressive sound. Quite simply you cannot compare the sound of the 987 and the 981. It sounds like a totally different engine.....and that amazingly is a good thing. Had a quick “spirited drive” against a 2012 Maserati GranTurismo about a week ago. I’ve always loved the sound of the Maserati aka Ferrari V8. The 981 stayed ahead for the entire quater mile, and the Maserati owner was amazed at the speed and sound of the 981 with PSE. To be honest, so was I. At full cry those engines created a symphony of note. I new on paper the 981S may edge the quater mile. But to actually experience it was very satisfying.

This is undoubtedly the best roadster money can buy. It is also one of the best handling cars available at any price. But don’t take my word for it; every motoring journalist seems to agree.

lumpystew

Original Poster:

579 posts

144 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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HERE HERE - I CONCUR DR JOE981

anniesdad

14,589 posts

238 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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smile

Our 2.7 went back in for the handbrake error as it reappeared after the codes were cleared. It was the clutch sensor that I believe is part of the clutch master cylinder. It seems OK now, but this morning the rear screen/mirror demist refused to switch on...redface

Oi U

211 posts

146 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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However, I still say that the sat nav is not fit for purpose when compared with TomTom, Garman, etc.

bobpies

10 posts

138 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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Oi U said:
However, I still say that the sat nav is not fit for purpose when compared with TomTom, Garman, etc.
i couldn't quite bring myself to spec the 2k+ option for flippin sat nav when ive got it on my phone

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

213 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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bobpies said:
i couldn't quite bring myself to spec the 2k+ option for flippin sat nav when ive got it on my phone
I would agree, but now having got used to full iPod integration in my BMW, I would find it hard to go back to the 'audio jack and controlling from the iPod ' scenario.... a terribly expensive solution though.....

_Leg_

2,798 posts

211 months

Monday 22nd October 2012
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Did the Silverstone thing today. Had a good time and learned a few things about the car.

All good.

cervezaman

311 posts

141 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Mine landed at the dealership this morning!

Can't wait to pick it up!! Post some pictures when I can

London GT3

1,025 posts

241 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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_Leg_ said:
Did the Silverstone thing today. Had a good time and learned a few things about the car.

All good.
Can you tell us a little more. I have never done the Porsche Experience and I have an unused invitation to do the Boxster Experience.

cervezaman

311 posts

141 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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Here's mine :-)




scz4

2,503 posts

241 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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^ Ceramic brakes, very nice! Enjoy smile

_Leg_

2,798 posts

211 months

Tuesday 23rd October 2012
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London GT3 said:
Can you tell us a little more. I have never done the Porsche Experience and I have an unused invitation to do the Boxster Experience.
Yup, sorry was worn out last night.

I ended up going with my business partner (Dan) who has a Cayman S. My wife bottled it on Friday after I showed her the Porsche videos of the various disciplines we would take part in on the day. Porsche were kind enough to change the name across to Dan. As he bought his Cayman when it was a few months old he didn’t get chance to go when he got it.

It’s probably worth providing a little background on us both. Dan and I are quite different when it comes to cars, driving experience and interest in cars and driving generally. Dan likes a nice car but isn’t interested in cars like the majority of us on PH are. He has never been on track, thinks heel-toe is the latest dance move and would happily confess that he has never had to apply opposite lock in his life. Dan confessed he hadn’t had his Cayman above 4500 revs since owning it.

On the other hand my garage is a petrolhead cave (Dan commented when picking me up that it’s tidier than his house), I’m obsessed with cars, have been doing track days in reasonably powerful cars as well as lightweights for over 10 years and am interested in driving techniques (nerd). I confess I’ve rarely had my E92 m3 below 4500 revs since owning it (jk).

So, quite different people with quite different points of view.

We arrived at noon. After parking we registered and were given a nice Porsche lanyard (which you keep – something else to hang in my garage) and an introduction from one of the instructors about the layout of Silverstone and where the Porsche centre is in relation to everything else.

Then we were invited to look around the cars which included some new models plus modern and vintage race cars.

Climbing the stairs we went to the restaurant and chose a table overlooking the complex. We were soon joined by our instructors for the day. We all had lunch together which was a nice touch as we asked about their experience and history and they reciprocated. The conversation inevitably moved to past cars, favourite tracks, near misses and the usual car talk you’ll get when car enthusiasts get together.

It’s worth noting that whilst the lunch options might look “heavy” on the menu when the dishes arrive they are small portions and presented in such a way that they are just enough. This means that even with 2 or even 3 courses (I was ok with 2 for example), you won’t feel sluggish or tired for the driving later that afternoon.

After lunch, at around 1:30, we headed for the briefing. This is basically a run through of the videos available on the Porsche Experience centre. They can also be found on You Tube by searching for Porsche Experience and adding “Kickplate” or “Ice Hill” etc at the end.

Then it was out to the cars. You get to select the car(s) you would like to drive on the day so I had selected a 981S and had booked a Cayman S for Dan. You are accompanied by your instructor at all times. Whenever I sit with an instructor or visit a new track I always take a humble “I know nothing” approach. It ensures you learn more, don’t make a prat of yourself and let’s face it, compared to the instructor, we know nowt. It also means you don’t come across as a cocky prat with a wallet bigger than your bag of talent.

The first discipline I tried was the Handling Circuit which is essentially a small, tight track. You never really need to get out of second and third gears which give you an idea of the scale. We started by treating the track as a country lane (it has centre line markings) which means sticking to the left hand lane. After a few laps, increasing our speed per lap, we switched to using it as a track and consistently added more speed. A few tips regarding the best lines (2 corners near the pit entrance can be taken as one for example) and gradual removal of driving aids had us navigating the track at a reasonable lick. Whilst hard to say without knowing what other drivers abilities or intentions were, I did notice that I seemed to be all over the 911s in the corners and struggling on the straights as they pulled away but there is no science behind that whatsoever. We revisited the Handling Circuit later and I pushed harder putting two wheels on the grass at one point (oops) but without any drama.

My views on the 981S here were:

The steering is excellent. I felt that the communication and feel in the 981S was one of the best I’ve driven in quite some time. The feedback and feel was spot on for me and the weighting perfect. I genuinely can’t fault it.

The handling is excellent. Very neutral and easily managed. I could feel when the car was about to let go through the seat, never mind wheel. Any over steer in this environment (see later for kick plate) was easily managed. I did get a little under steer once or twice but frankly that’s because I got the entry to said corner wrong, twice. We are talking a couple of inches of slide though before it gripped and pulled in. My technique here in my E92 M3 would be to apply power to bring the rear round thereby eliminating the slip and this worked fine in the 981S too.

With regards to power I have to say I thought the 981S was a little lacking. I think it’s absolutely fine for what it is but it could easily manage 350bhp, 400bhp or more. Ok, we all know why it doesn’t have that kind of power, the 991, but still, you cant help feeling it could quite happily do with a bit more. However, I am used to my E92 M3 which, even with the extra weight, provides a kick in the back that you really feel. This could also be due to my familiarity with the M3 and lack of familiarity with the 981S. My gear changes and style can’t possibly be wringing the best from the Porsche given the lack of experience I have with it.

Whoa, hold on there before I open that debate, this isn’t a comparison between the M3 and 981S, it’s just a point of reference for me. They are both hugely different cars and soon to be adopted brothers in my little family so no arguing at the back there. On we go….

We then moved onto the kick plate. The kick plate is a plate of tarmac than can quickly move left or right. This pushes the rear wheels out to induce a skid and, as the surface beyond the kick plate is low friction and has water sprays soaking it, the skid continues.

Again we would visit this discipline twice in the day but I’ll talk about the 2 as one here. The plan? Drive up to the kick plate at (initially) 18mph, the plate will kick the rear left or right and my job was to catch it. Easy? Well, yes, at first. I mean come on, its 18mph for goodness sake, at first.

I use rotational steering most of the time. A track habit not always ideal for road. At 18mph, 20mph and even 22mph its fine but above that I just couldn’t catch the kick. Rotational only gives so much rotation of the wheel before your arms are rotated as far as is possible. I caught the first 5 and then missed the next 3 because of this as the speed increased (I also think I had started to try and predict the kick [left or right] and you’re better of relaxing and reacting). After switching to a less fixed grip and relaxing I caught the last 2.

So far I had learned a lot about the car but had had something reiterated to me that track instructors had commented on, I’m a tad rough with cars. I turn in hard and my input can be a little abrupt. I guess it’s in my nature because I know it and still bloody do it. Aggressive? Moi? Never.

The next discipline was the low friction circuit. My least favourite if I’m honest. This is essentially a drift track. We spent most of the time kicking the rear out and letting the technology sort it out with varying settings engaged.

What I did learn here is that whatever gubbins (I said I love cars, I never said I understood what goes on underneath) is working underneath the car in this situation, it makes a fairly loud clanking noise as it engages. At first I thought something was stuck under the car or broken but the instructor confirmed it was just engineering at work. I quite liked it, there’s something satisfying about a clunk. That probably saved me a trip to the dealer to find the “error” when mine arrives.

We then moved onto the Ice Hill. Again we visited this twice. Once to go down the hill a few times and then to go up the hill 3-4 times. The 981S was easy to manage going down the hill avoiding the “obstacles” (water jets) by swerving right then left with little slip. It handled the journey up the ice hill perfectly. Steady power all the way up and it just drove straight up with hardly a slip every time. Even when I purposefully induced a skid with excessive steering input it was easy to bring the car back under control. Mid-engine layout avoiding the pendulum effect I guess?

Meanwhile Dan had been enjoying the same disciplines but he felt he learned the most important thing when the instructor took him out on the handling track. That when he drives he isn’t getting close to the car’s limits. He came away having learned a few things but mainly realising that where he felt he had been pushing it, he wasn’t and the car was well within its comfort zone. He was amazed at how quickly the car could be used to approach corners and, where he felt he was about to die, when he opened his eyes (ok, I made this up) they were through the corner and onto the next. Of course its always best to drive to one’s own limits, not the car’s but it’s nice to know there is more in the car too.

I came away thinking firstly that I must remember to be smoother and more gentle (whether it will sink in is another thing) and also thinking how well built the 981S is. The car impressed upon me how good it will be as my every day car due to its combination of comfort & convenience but most of all manageable handling. I was most impressed with, of all things, the steering (probably because I was expecting issues and found none) and the fact I was in a roadster, on 20 inch wheels and finding the handling excellent whilst realising, “hey, I’m really comfortable too”. Anything else? Oh, yes, the pedals are perfect for heel toe in my opinion, no idea what people have been on about (I’m an average size 8 shoe).

If I could criticise the car I would ask for more power but then it would probably cease to be what it is and what I wanted that fits with my other cars so even that criticism is tenuous. Oh, and mustn’t forget, the rear visibility is, err, well, there isn’t any. Not with the roof up anyway. Anything on the other side of the rear quarters may as well be in deepest Africa.

As for the day I thought it was very well delivered, enjoyable, not officious in any way and friendly throughout. I scored 33 in 30 seconds on the BATAK by the way. No idea if that is good or bad?

Hope that is helpful and gives a bit of an insight into the Experience. Please feel free to post any questions anyone.

Edited by _Leg_ on Wednesday 24th October 22:46

London GT3

1,025 posts

241 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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_Leg_ said:
Very interesting report
Thank you for taking the time to write this report. I will look forward to my Boxster experience. I am taking my son as well.

London GT3

1,025 posts

241 months

Wednesday 24th October 2012
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cervezaman said:
Here's mine :-)

Is the bumper extension because your wife might be driving? hehe

Looks great!

_Leg_

2,798 posts

211 months

Thursday 25th October 2012
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New colour on the configurator, Amaranth Red Metallic.