Picking Up A GT3 Today
Discussion
jackwood said:
The question about would this happen in a PSM equipped car: Steve, I think he means PSM (Please Save Me!) rather than PASM.
I never had anything like this incident in the Cayman, but I don't know if that is because of PSM or because of the less rearward biase of the car.
Yes my question did relate to PSM and not PASM as my thoughts were that had the car had PSM the electronics would have intervened and held the rear end in check. I never had anything like this incident in the Cayman, but I don't know if that is because of PSM or because of the less rearward biase of the car.
monthefish said:
Pip1968 said:
Huh ? I cannot believe you do not garage it.
What a daft statement.So only garage owners are allowed to buy a GT3?
If it is left outside so be it. Shame. If anyone wishes to buy a GT3 or RS and wants to park it outside all day crack on. I would suggest that most faced with the choice would rather put it away at night.
Please feel free to burn me but bear in mind global warming.
Pip
Ps nice off at Oulton and nice car.
I don't have a garage. Car has to be available to use at short notice, so renting a garage isn't an option.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
jackwood said:
I don't have a garage. Car has to be available to use at short notice, so renting a garage isn't an option.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
Spot on.And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
Trev450 said:
jackwood said:
The question about would this happen in a PSM equipped car: Steve, I think he means PSM (Please Save Me!) rather than PASM.
I never had anything like this incident in the Cayman, but I don't know if that is because of PSM or because of the less rearward biase of the car.
Yes my question did relate to PSM and not PASM as my thoughts were that had the car had PSM the electronics would have intervened and held the rear end in check. I never had anything like this incident in the Cayman, but I don't know if that is because of PSM or because of the less rearward biase of the car.
I have had the pleasure/honour of driving a 996 GT3RS around Oulton and never felt concerned in it going through Cascades.
jackwood said:
I don't have a garage. Car has to be available to use at short notice, so renting a garage isn't an option.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
Superb. Precisely my mindset when someone keyed the RS4. Not ideal but I got over it rather quickly when I reminded myself of the info above!And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
Trev450 said:
Yes my question did relate to PSM and not PASM as my thoughts were that had the car had PSM the electronics would have intervened and held the rear end in check.
Apologies, I misread your post. To be honest I'm not sure if it would. I have little experience of PSM on the circuit, all of my experience of driving 911's has been GT3, GT2, RS and RSR!! My view on PSM and other driver aids is that they certainly make cars of higher power outputs accessible to all drivers. The downside is that they do nothing to encourage a driver from progressing to learn the skills essential to track drivingSteve Rance said:
Apologies, I misread your post. To be honest I'm not sure if it would. I have little experience of PSM on the circuit, all of my experience of driving 911's has been GT3, GT2, RS and RSR!! My view on PSM and other driver aids is that they certainly make cars of higher power outputs accessible to all drivers. The downside is that they do nothing to encourage a driver from progressing to learn the skills essential to track driving
Agree 100%. They can show you where the limit is and teach you to drive smoothly, but that is it. To go faster you need to turn them off and then it's like learning to drive all over again. It's like learning to ride a bike with stabalizers. You think you can ride when in fact you just keep leaning on the stabalizers and really have no idea how to balance the bike. When you take them off you need to learn to balance the bike without falling off, which is like learning to ride all over again.
jackwood said:
I don't have a garage. Car has to be available to use at short notice, so renting a garage isn't an option.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
Most sensible post ever. Well said.And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
jackwood said:
Steve Rance said:
Apologies, I misread your post. To be honest I'm not sure if it would. I have little experience of PSM on the circuit, all of my experience of driving 911's has been GT3, GT2, RS and RSR!! My view on PSM and other driver aids is that they certainly make cars of higher power outputs accessible to all drivers. The downside is that they do nothing to encourage a driver from progressing to learn the skills essential to track driving
Agree 100%. They can show you where the limit is and teach you to drive smoothly, but that is it. To go faster you need to turn them off and then it's like learning to drive all over again. It's like learning to ride a bike with stabalizers. You think you can ride when in fact you just keep leaning on the stabalizers and really have no idea how to balance the bike. When you take them off you need to learn to balance the bike without falling off, which is like learning to ride all over again.
jackwood said:
I don't have a garage. Car has to be available to use at short notice, so renting a garage isn't an option.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
Excellent post.And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
And I suppose that was the attitude of most when cars were not "investments" or expensive status toys. And it is more expensive now to upgrade to a newer model Porsche, say, than ever before. So we get obsessed with low mileage, A1 condition etc.
baptistsan said:
keep it lit said:
i used to rent one in Chorlton for a tenner a week about ten years ago.. found it advertised in a shop window.. now fortunate enough to own a large workshop where my car lives eight feet in the air on a two post ramp when not been driven.. worked damn hard for that priveledge.
Please post a pic of this 
jackwood said:
I don't have a garage. Car has to be available to use at short notice, so renting a garage isn't an option.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
..is this the worst post-rationalised excuse / defence / justification for not having a garage ever ??And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
wfarrell said:
jackwood said:
I don't have a garage. Car has to be available to use at short notice, so renting a garage isn't an option.
And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
..is this the worst post-rationalised excuse / defence / justification for not having a garage ever ??And I use my cars. My Cayman did 76,000 miles in 5.5 years (most of them in the first 4 years) and the Merc has done 46,000 in just over 2 years. Yes I like cars, but I buy them to use, not polish and keep in showroom condition. It's not my pride and joy. That would be my wife and son. They get heating, cleaning and a roof over their head every night and locks on the door. The GT3? It's an object. A tool. And ultimately a toy. Admittedly an expensive one, but let's not kid ourselves, it's not one of lifes necessities.
Sorry if that seems flippant, but that's how I see it.
anonymous said:
[redacted]
True, fair enough. I think there's something in there about the balance between owning 'things' and letting them own you.Back on topic; OP, lovely car. I remember the day I picked mine up. Gleeful like a schoolkid. Such a bloody great drive back home all the way from Stranraer to London. Such a naughty car. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaarppppppp!
wfarrell said:
..is this the worst post-rationalised excuse / defence / justification for not having a garage ever ??
No, it's my rationalised reasoning for why I still went ahead and bought a car I wanted regardless of the fact that I don't have a garage.It's really heartwarming to see the breadth and depth of people's concern for my poor little car. I'll go and give it a hug to show it I still love it.
Edited by jackwood on Monday 30th April 08:28
wfarrell said:
it's not just "stuff" though, is it ? ("stuff" doesn't get dedicated interweb threads describing in great detail the purchase process and user experience to a discerning peer group, does it ?)
I think it does. There are forums and threads on everything from model trains to TVs to iPhones. I consider all of those things to stuff too. The OP doesn't have a garage ! Bring back hanging immediately I say.
Keeping a Porsche outside in the rain and the wind and the snow and the frost, what is he thinking. He obviously doesn't know that Porsche's , especially GT3's are lucky if they can withstand this sort of weather for any length of time.
He also appears to use the car only weeks after buying it to drive it on track. Putting the car under immense strain for a purpose it was never designed for. For every mile being registered , hundreds of pounds in depreciation. Unreal. Imagine using it and enjoying it in equal measure, and then go to the trouble of sharing this with fellow "Porsche enthusiasts". Crazy.
Best of luck when you come to sell her Mr Jackwood . If some of the folks commenting here are still around when you come to sell her, you can imagine what they will be saying about the car then.
Keeping a Porsche outside in the rain and the wind and the snow and the frost, what is he thinking. He obviously doesn't know that Porsche's , especially GT3's are lucky if they can withstand this sort of weather for any length of time.
He also appears to use the car only weeks after buying it to drive it on track. Putting the car under immense strain for a purpose it was never designed for. For every mile being registered , hundreds of pounds in depreciation. Unreal. Imagine using it and enjoying it in equal measure, and then go to the trouble of sharing this with fellow "Porsche enthusiasts". Crazy.
Best of luck when you come to sell her Mr Jackwood . If some of the folks commenting here are still around when you come to sell her, you can imagine what they will be saying about the car then.
Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff