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RDMcG

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kingstondc5 said:
Do you think that coming from a GT3, the electric steering is not something your used to, hence why your initial impressions are that its not so good or do you think that by the end of the 10 days, your opinion/perception would have changed some what, regarding the electric steering?
Its a good question. I do not hate the 991 steering at all..its just not at all the same. Its not a fair comparison in total I think.

The RS is a car that turns you into a misanthrope. You don't want a passenger. At idle the Mezger sounds like ball bearings in a spin dryer, and then you get it up to 5000 RPM and the thing has one of the greatest sounds ever. You hunt for long tunnels, twisty roads and track days.
On the other hand, its not pleasant to potter along in heavy traffic, the seats are non adjustable, there are few creature comforts, and for the few non-enthusiast passengers a spirited drive on a rough road is as much fun as skateboarding down the stairs while wearing armour. It is a car that you want to drive intensely for a few hours at a time, not take on a quiet weekend tour of the countryside. As a result, it has somewhat limited utility and appeal. It will also bite the unwary. Handling on PS Cups on very cold or wet conditions is less than perfect. ( I have heard from posters here that the 996RS has even fewer compromises and is an even better track car).
In summary, its not for everyone. Edgy cars rarely are, or we would all be driving Caterhamssmile

So far the 991 on the other hand is much more of a very good road car in this first appearance. The cornering is simply mind-blowing. Quite a lot to like . Great seats, I enjoy the PDK, with which I am familiar. I find the DFI engine very quiet though. Standard brakes are more than adequate for a quick stop. Decent sound system ( I never turn it on in the RS), a very well presented nav system. Tomorrow I taking a 500 mile run so should have a better feel then. My wife, ( who has driven standard forever and who had an XK140 when I met her), does not like the RS at all but very much likes the refinement of the 991 so far.
I think that the extra width on the front is gone to make a big difference as the next variant appears also. Probably a good idea to throw for book of 911 handling and driving and start again, because it feels so different. I all provide more detail as I get to know it. On first impression its a serious sports car when you want it thrash it but in regular driving is just great for loafing around.


Edited by RDMcG on Sunday 29th April 21:03


Edited by RDMcG on Sunday 29th April 21:03

RDMcG

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The colour is..umm...challenging:



Side profile looks great and the 20" wheels balance it nicely.







Ugliest feature is the sunroof



Interior is hugely better. I much prefer the thicker steering wheel which is thankfully free from buttons. . There is a push fit to release the cupholders. It look alike aluminium but it plastic, feels cheap and shows every fingerprint. This is true for the trim strip on the doors also.
Germans do not have drive-ins for coffee of course, and Porsche is no different from the other German manufacturers in providing amusing cupholders.

You may argue that they should not exist, and you would be right, but the design process is interesting. What I call the PDK (PorscheDoppelKaffeholder) is an entertaining thing that looks like a set of handcuffs on sticks, and spring the coffee cup out there it can spill into the nav screen or on the Passengers's knees in one hits a bump. Best not used.

(Coffee cups added for illustration)





Rear seats fold down and provide useful parcel space. Unlike my RS the boot remains cool all the time.








Edited by RDMcG on Sunday 29th April 20:58

cmoose

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Great pictures.

Saw my first 991 in the wild on Friday. Good looking car but very, very big - has a GT rather than sports car presence.

@ RDMcG

Always interesting to see those sorts of comments about recent RS models. I not an owner, but my experience of driving a few is that they're complete pussycats to potter about in. I just don't recognise these descriptions of them being difficult in traffic. If anything, I find the control weights too light, too normal. Yes, a Lexus LS (etc) is more refined. But by any sane metric and in the context of the kind of car they are and what they're capable of, they're incredibly docile, easy to drive and comfortable. I'd have absolutely no problem driving one daily, in that regard. Running costs and the amount of attention you draw, obviously, are different matters. To be honest, I'd prefer them if they were a bit more moody and rough at the edges.

Mutt

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RDMcG said:
The colour is..umm...challenging
Genuinely laughed. It is rather, isn't it?

RDMcG

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cmoose said:
Great pictures.

Saw my first 991 in the wild on Friday. Good looking car but very, very big - has a GT rather than sports car presence.

@ RDMcG

Always interesting to see those sorts of comments about recent RS models. I not an owner, but my experience of driving a few is that they're complete pussycats to potter about in. I just don't recognise these descriptions of them being difficult in traffic. If anything, I find the control weights too light, too normal. Yes, a Lexus LS (etc) is more refined. But by any sane metric and in the context of the kind of car they are and what they're capable of, they're incredibly docile, easy to drive and comfortable. To be honest, I'd prefer them if they were a bit more moody and rough at the edges.

Its big, especially from the rear. It feels very big when you enter and the rake of the windscreen makes the forward view very spacious. OTOH, in bright sunlight you get an annoying reflection from the top of the dash onto the windscreen. RS experience is of course very subjective, and my take is compared to other cars I drive like my M6 is that its a lot edgier. I recall talking to Hans Stuck after he had tested an RS.1 at the NS, and he said" Jesus Christ! --this is a very ,very easy car to drive at 7/10. Try 9/10 and you have to be very,very good" . I have spun an RS.1 once at Spa and it happened very quickly, luckily with only ego damage. I am not a competitive driver, so to get the best out of one takes more talent than I have. I just love trying. The 991, on the other hand is incredibly forgiving. I took some corners on a private road last night at speeds that amazed me. Obviously the Mezger engine is in a class of its own. No idea what the 991 RS will get , but no Mezger.

In a way , the way to look at the 991 is as if you have never driven a Porsche before and see it as a new, unknown brand.
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SFO

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looks like 'your' 991S has Sports PASM .. the jutting out spoiler on the front being the tell tale sign, and the small gap between wheels and arches

cmoose

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SFO said:
and the small gap between wheels and arches
Indeed - ride height looks nice.

Manks

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RDMcG said:
The colour is..umm...challenging:
The colour is superb IMHO, looks fantastic in the metal and I wish I'd had the balls to spec it.

RDMcG

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SFO said:
looks like 'your' 991S has Sports PASM .. the jutting out spoiler on the front being the tell tale sign, and the small gap between wheels and arches
It does. Will post pics of all controls when I take them.

FisiP1

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One day I learned to close that center flap between the drinks holders when they are deployed, and much stress has been avoided ever since.

I'm sure you already know that, and they are still pretty crap with it closed, but the memory makes me laugh every time I see it open like that.

RDMcG

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FisiP1 said:
One day I learned to close that center flap between the drinks holders when they are deployed, and much stress has been avoided ever since.

I'm sure you already know that, and they are still pretty crap with it closed, but the memory makes me laugh every time I see it open like that.
I never actually use the things unless its when I am parked and grabbing a coffee. To be fair, I have equally ridiculous contraptions in other German cars. I have a feeling that all, the manufacturers have some sort of trade association..( Deutsche Kaffe Kuppen Gruppe? ) where they all sit around and guffaw at each other while wondering about the benighted foreigners who actually drink coffee in their carssmile

LeoSayer

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That is beautiful. Perfectly proportioned.





FisiP1

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RDMcG said:
I never actually use the things unless its when I am parked and grabbing a coffee. To be fair, I have equally ridiculous contraptions in other German cars. I have a feeling that all, the manufacturers have some sort of trade association..( Deutsche Kaffe Kuppen Gruppe? ) where they all sit around and guffaw at each other while wondering about the benighted foreigners who actually drink coffee in their carssmile
I took a lady friend out for the first time in mine a few days ago, she isn't big on cars but her reaction to it verbatim was 'what an amazing car, but those cupholders were disappointing'.

Quite an amusing summary I thought.

Pesty

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I like that colour.

I saw my first one on the road the other day in black. Looked very nice for some reason the rear reminded me of an aston V8. Thats probably just me.

RDMcG

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Did a 350 mile run today. Its quite strange..it seems to have two different personalities. In relaxed, auto, highway mode on a big US highway, it changes into 7th gear very quickly, at about 60 MPH or and likes to loaf along at 1900 RPM. In this mode it feels utterly different from any 911 I have driven..pleasant, smooth and relaxed. It does not advertise its other capabilities. Seats are immensely comfortable for long distance.Drop it into sport or sport plus and the while thing changes, becomes much more urgent , - (I was on highway today , so tomorrow will be the back roads.). Although I do not like the colour, four people talked to me and admired it.

It is amazingly easy on fuel. I got 600KM out os a tank in mixed driving over the past couple of days.

Niggles: the reflection of the top of the dash n the windscreen continues to be annoying, and there is also a bright reflection of trim on the driver's rise window like a streak.

Good things today: I fit four cases of wine into the boot and they remained completely cool although uninsulated.


It does not seem too big from the front..here is a white one:





Boot holds four cases of wine...not badsmile



As mentioned, the nav system shows up in the right hand display in front of the driver,,briefly before an exit or turn.Very tidy, this:



So far, it bears not the slightest resemblance to my RS, but its an impressive car in its own right.....








Pesty

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I don't have a pipe and beard but in that picture the 993 wins on looks for me.

I'll take the RS though smile

Vroomer

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How does anyone get a 10-day test?

Pesty

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Vroomer said:
How does anyone get a 10-day test?
I imagine by being a very good customer who buys a few cars from them.

RDMcG

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Pesty said:
I don't have a pipe and beard but in that picture the 993 wins on looks for me.

I'll take the RS though smile
I agree, There 993 always seemed to me to be the best resolved 911 design.

RDMcG

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Pesty said:
I imagine by being a very good customer who buys a few cars from them.
I sometimes write articles for US magazines and even the odd Euro one. I had a fair sized article in Total 911 last year for instance. Obviously I also buy cars. Thus I sometimes get cars to review from various people. In the last few years I have had a mix of cars to try ..a Bentley Continental, CL63, Mini Vert,Electric Mitsubishi,BMW Alpina and so on.. The stuff I am posting here is really just background for an article I will write latersmile
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