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911Viking
Original Poster
156 posts
14 months
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Found a nice straight around lunch time with not much wind and took her to 354kph (220 mph).
With the 14 kph dash correction to GPS (high speed verified at Vmax Carbon last Sat), that was a 340 kph (211 mph) run.
Don't think she has much left beyond that, but not bad a for a K16 car.
Ken and his Nine Excellence guys are magicians.
Cheers, HH
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erics
1,887 posts
81 months
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everyone swears by k24s. I have a 996 turbo 's', so I should say the same thing. Yet, my old remapped k16 vanilla turbo was nicer to drive on day to day basis as the pick up of the turbo was much quicker. Quasi instant.
Nowhere near as fierce at the top end of the rev range but nicer on regular drives.
k16s are great.
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911Viking
Original Poster
156 posts
14 months
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erics said: everyone swears by k24s. I have a 996 turbo 's', so I should say the same thing. Yet, my old remapped k16 vanilla turbo was nicer to drive on day to day basis as the pick up of the turbo was much quicker. Quasi instant.
Nowhere near as fierce at the top end of the rev range but nicer on regular drives.
k16s are great. Ken from Nine Excellence talked me into his magical K1639's when I came to him for big and serious power. My baby was already pretty quick with its Techart tune. But with the Nine Excellence full K1639 pack including 4.5 race IC's, she is now a monster and leaves more or less everything behind through the gears and on the top as well. Check the video clip Ken posted a few weeks ago, where I did 338 kph (dash) in the rain at Brunters. She pulls very persistently through 200 mph. Last Sat I took her to Vmax Carbon and only got beaten fractionally by Leon's brutal RUF CTR3 and I matched Toby's amazing GT2 3.9RS. Everybody else were well down on my K1639 baby. Ken and his team have managed to create the perfect turbo config for daily and for flat out use. Its though not a little bolt on simple job, they have practically rebuild most of the original car. But worth every penny and more (;-)) Cheers, HH
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StuB
4,534 posts
109 months
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Incredible performance.
I've just talked a work colleague into going 9E & this conversion on a 6TT on K16's, though I understand yours is a little more extreme.
Where's the dyno plot/v-box figures (I know Ken doesn't like this sort of dirty numbers)?
Matching the 3.9 GT2 really is something special.
Congrats & it's obvious you must be very pleased.
Let us know about your inevitable conquests as & when they happen.
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911Viking
Original Poster
156 posts
14 months
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StuB said: Incredible performance.
I've just talked a work colleague into going 9E & this conversion on a 6TT on K16's, though I understand yours is a little more extreme.
Where's the dyno plot/v-box figures (I know Ken doesn't like this sort of dirty numbers)?
Matching the 3.9 GT2 really is something special.
Congrats & it's obvious you must be very pleased.
Let us know about your inevitable conquests as & when they happen. We'll keep you all posted on progress... She is currently being run in and about to be ready for a couple of runs with the Vbox recording all her real goodies on Brunters. Dyno at this power level doesn't really make much sense. Actual like for like performance speaks a pretty clear and simple language leaving no room for imaginary and somewhat made up numbers. Not saying thats customary in the UK, I really wouldn't know, but I know for a fact that imaginary Dyno performance is pretty common in the Dutch 911 Turbo tuning community. With better conditions on Brunters, the CTR is still too big for her to challenge seriously and I have the 3.9 GT2 suspected for playing her a little as well. Those two cars are in my mind amazing and the milestones 911's should aim at. Back home here in Holland, she is quickly building up a reputation and are already struggling finding playmates... I have the odd little fun when challenged by M5's, RS6's, Gallardo's, 430's, 458's etc., but its pretty quickly over when we hit the throttle at 80/90 mph (;-)) Did though have a big laugh a few days after she came back home mid April. A local friend of mine have a standard 997T PDK, which she could just about get away from before Nine Excellence gave her the big makeover. So while she was away the last months, I repeatedly told my buddy that we just did brake and susp mods, so I could use her on the track. Once she was back home and ready to duel, I trashed him so badly that he thought his car was broken and he got really pissed off. That was so much worth the wait, I am still cracking myself when thinking of his reaction, LOL Cheers, HH
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996ttalot
1,754 posts
45 months
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911Viking said: Found a nice straight around lunch time with not much wind and took her to 354kph (220 mph).
With the 14 kph dash correction to GPS (high speed verified at Vmax Carbon last Sat), that was a 340 kph (211 mph) run.
Don't think she has much left beyond that, but not bad a for a K16 car.
Ken and his Nine Excellence guys are magicians.
Cheers, HH HH - never thought I would see a k16 based turbo hit that speed - amazing Congrats
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996ttalot
1,754 posts
45 months
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StuB said: Incredible performance.
I've just talked a work colleague into going 9E & this conversion on a 6TT on K16's, though I understand yours is a little more extreme.
Where's the dyno plot/v-box figures (I know Ken doesn't like this sort of dirty numbers)?
Matching the 3.9 GT2 really is something special.
Congrats & it's obvious you must be very pleased.
Let us know about your inevitable conquests as & when they happen. Got vbox stuff for the 300kph and so on. Waiting for better weather to set some performance numbers. How is life in SG?
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theredbaron
1,062 posts
75 months
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911Viking said: Found a nice straight around lunch time with not much wind and took her to 354kph (220 mph).
With the 14 kph dash correction to GPS (high speed verified at Vmax Carbon last Sat), that was a 340 kph (211 mph) run.
Don't think she has much left beyond that, but not bad a for a K16 car.
Ken and his Nine Excellence guys are magicians.
Cheers, HH That was one rapid car at Vmax (I was in the red 996tt). Mine had a 177 mph wall, think I've got a n75 valve issue, but after seeing yours, a visit to 9E is on the cards I think !
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Aspect
58 posts
17 months
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Yep me too, I'm talking to Ken about it at the moment but he's a busy boy. I've a sneaking suspicion this kit is going to keep 9E very busy over the coming months!
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911Viking
Original Poster
156 posts
14 months
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theredbaron said: That was one rapid car at Vmax (I was in the red 996tt). Mine had a 177 mph wall, think I've got a n75 valve issue, but after seeing yours, a visit to 9E is on the cards I think ! Thanks buddy... We spent a fair bit of time getting her in that shape and a few extra $$ as well, but worth every cent (;-)) I am a little green when it comes to the UK Porsche environment, but 9E vs. the Dutch Porsche environment is like day and night. Ken and his guys seriously know their stuff and they are committed beyond anything I have ever seen. You will be in good hands with 9E, they will bring out the hidden beast in your 911 (;-)) Gotta call Ken to make sure he keeps you 5% off my power, LOL See you Vmax, HH
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TB993tt
1,088 posts
111 months
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StuB said: Where's the dyno plot/v-box figures (I know Ken doesn't like this sort of dirty numbers)?
Matching the 3.9 GT2 really is something special. Henrik's car is f  king fast  It wears full 996GT2 bodywork so is only slightly less draggy than mine, I calculated at 197mph mine needs 22hp more to be running at that speed (so less left over for acceleration) - so pretty closely matched in the aero dept. From my data logging, from observing the boost I was being allowed (by my Motronic program) and comparing it to my DIN engine dyno numbers I reckon Henrik's was running at about 680PS which is absolutely incredible from a K16 based turbo.... I have still to come to terms with this fixed boost method of tuning since the serious German tuners all use factory boost control which will reduce boost for example when the turbos heat up - the VTG engine's have lots of temperature sensors on the VTGs and will richen mixture and pull boost when this gets high like it does over 250kph on full bore. Who knows how hot the K16 is getting but proof of the pudding is that Henrik beat my top speed and nothing's melted yet ! In fact, Craig told me they had "a silver Porsche at 199mph" but I only data logged 197mph from all my runs so I reckon it was Henrik doing the 199  It is great to see Ken at 9E pushing the envelope and bringing these US tuning philosophies into reality over here and with his (and his savvy customers') being totally transparent.... I'm so impressed that I will be testing some of his shiny stuff 
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996ttalot
1,754 posts
45 months
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TB993tt said: StuB said: Where's the dyno plot/v-box figures (I know Ken doesn't like this sort of dirty numbers)?
Matching the 3.9 GT2 really is something special. Henrik's car is f  king fast  It wears full 996GT2 bodywork so is only slightly less draggy than mine, I calculated at 197mph mine needs 22hp more to be running at that speed (so less left over for acceleration) - so pretty closely matched in the aero dept. From my data logging, from observing the boost I was being allowed (by my Motronic program) and comparing it to my DIN engine dyno numbers I reckon Henrik's was running at about 680PS which is absolutely incredible from a K16 based turbo.... I have still to come to terms with this fixed boost method of tuning since the serious German tuners all use factory boost control which will reduce boost for example when the turbos heat up - the VTG engine's have lots of temperature sensors on the VTGs and will richen mixture and pull boost when this gets high like it does over 250kph on full bore. Who knows how hot the K16 is getting but proof of the pudding is that Henrik beat my top speed and nothing's melted yet ! In fact, Craig told me they had "a silver Porsche at 199mph" but I only data logged 197mph from all my runs so I reckon it was Henrik doing the 199  It is great to see Ken at 9E pushing the envelope and bringing these US tuning philosophies into reality over here and with his (and his savvy customers') being totally transparent.... I'm so impressed that I will be testing some of his shiny stuff He made 200.4 gps (kph conversion) on the box. Fortunately they also got a photo through the beams. 
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Moosh
845 posts
91 months
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Ken,
What do you think the impact of the extreme tune will have on the life expectancy of the K16 Turbo's and the engine?
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JBL930
1,837 posts
86 months
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Have to admit if i had a 996 turbo i'd be bolting this stuff on, you're going to be a very busy chap Ken....... Good on you mate!!
One quick question, is the above car on stock internals? I only ask because otherwise this is basically 'bolt on' stuff, except cams etc..... Which if true is bloody astonishing, it's giving me ideas of letting the 930 go.......
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Aspect
58 posts
17 months
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Lang.... don't do it... Mind you for the money you've get for black betty you could get a 996 and send it to Ken.
Did you get the email I just sent you?
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ZeroH
2,497 posts
59 months
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As a platform for tuning, the 996tt really is something special.... the whole argument of german v US tuning has been done so many times here and elsewhere, but you can't argue with the results, especially if as time proves here that reliability is also solid... the 16/39 conversion really is Ken's baby, having designed it from scratch - looking forward to checking it out shortly.
For turbo S / K24 owners, it still makes more sense to stick with the 24 on the hotside, and have Ken build you a 24/18 car with similarish performance for a lot less $$... or to go 24/20 if you want really monster performance (as Ken's previous 800hp conversion proved).
Ultimately, theres so much choice for tuning these cars to really big power that the limits really only stop at how much $ you want to spend..... people should just be aware tho that if they are buying cheap 996tt's with a view to these kind of performance kits, they are likely to encounter large bills to get the car fully fit and ready before its ready to reliably run such power levels.... bottom line is theres no cheap way to big power, regardless if its a k16, k24 or any other turbo based platform.
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996ttalot
1,754 posts
45 months
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JBL930 said: Have to admit if i had a 996 turbo i'd be bolting this stuff on, you're going to be a very busy chap Ken....... Good on you mate!!
One quick question, is the above car on stock internals? I only ask because otherwise this is basically 'bolt on' stuff, except cams etc..... Which if true is bloody astonishing, it's giving me ideas of letting the 930 go....... Thanks for the kind words Jon. Hope you are progressing well with your car. Currently this package is running on stock internals. I think it is worth pointing out that the k1639 cars that are already running, run boost controllers. For normal usage 1.25 bar is perfect, extremely fast and fun. We run the turbos at 1.51 bar (the gauge will show 1.6) for maximum attack mode like vmax etc, and the reason I am precise with the boost amount is that this is near the limit, although within safe boundaries, of the fuel system. It seems that most customers run them always in maximum attack mode  I suppose we can call it "bolt on" if we take that to be non built motor. The last delivered version was 110 hours of work, is an engine out etc. There were hours within that for brake and suspension upgrades. I don't know how many 320kph runs have been done in the car in the last month, but I suspect it has been over 50 at least including many runs in excess of 340kph together with this run of 354kph yesterday. I don't beleive another customer would push the car to this extreme. So it is an interesting and useful exercise with Henrik - he accepts that when you push the boundaries, you may find a limit. We already have a project planned this year with Henrik for more power, using different package. We have imo reached the limit with the turbo k1639 in the sense that running further serves no real purpose -the gains you get would be minimal for the extra expense. We continually refine the package based on datalogging and again will be making a few changes in the coming weeks to see if they are beneficial. Let's catch up when I get a spare minute, something there does not seem to be many of at the moment.
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996ttalot
1,754 posts
45 months
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Moosh said: Ken,
What do you think the impact of the extreme tune will have on the life expectancy of the K16 Turbo's and the engine? To be honest, it is a difficult question to answer. We are running a bigger compressor wheel in a k16 housing. If we ran the same wheel in a k24 housing, then the k24 housing would last longer. We don't just put in a bigger compressor wheel. The turbos are completely refurbed back to new, and come with warranty. In terms of the engine, I ran my car at higher power for nearly 12000 miles and when stripped, we could not see any signs of wear. That was on an engine that started in the 70k miles to begin with, and have already been tuned from 45k, although only mildly. The reality is this - any substantial increase in power is going to cause more wear and tear. imo that is to other parts of the car more so than the long block internals. Brakes, tyres, suspension and so on. I cannot stress how important it is for example to have better brakes. I wouldn't call it "extreme tune" - we are not pushing the turbos more than they should be - they were designed to run at 1.7 bar, so we don't even hit that level. And boost is irrelevant - all that matters is that for the boost you run, that you have the correct package in terms of IATs, fueling and more important a great tune, which we have imo  Ken
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996ttalot
1,754 posts
45 months
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ZeroH said: As a platform for tuning, the 996tt really is something special.... the whole argument of german v US tuning has been done so many times here and elsewhere, but you can't argue with the results, especially if as time proves here that reliability is also solid... the 16/39 conversion really is Ken's baby, having designed it from scratch - looking forward to checking it out shortly.
For turbo S / K24 owners, it still makes more sense to stick with the 24 on the hotside, and have Ken build you a 24/18 car with similarish performance for a lot less $$... or to go 24/20 if you want really monster performance (as Ken's previous 800hp conversion proved).
Ultimately, theres so much choice for tuning these cars to really big power that the limits really only stop at how much $ you want to spend..... people should just be aware tho that if they are buying cheap 996tt's with a view to these kind of performance kits, they are likely to encounter large bills to get the car fully fit and ready before its ready to reliably run such power levels.... bottom line is theres no cheap way to big power, regardless if its a k16, k24 or any other turbo based platform. Miras, you make a really good point - we never tune a car unless it is in great shape first. I would rather a customer spends ?k first on doing that, than spending ?k on tuning. Simply no point. I will disagree on the k24 owner side. Yes you save a few quid no doubt, but actually the incremental cost is not that great since donor k16s are now pretty cheap, and you could of course sell the k24s. I suppose it depends on how much power you are after, when k24s do come into play. Talk soon mate.
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graemel
4,595 posts
87 months
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An absolutely fantastic achievement Ken. I am no expert but my own experience of what I perceive to be factory boost control produces inconsitancies in performance. Having owned a 993 with K24's with new turbo actuators and a fresh map. The performance was very variable. Sometimes it would absolutely fly and other times it would only feel quick. A reliable fixed boost control makes total sense. This was the one issue that really spoilt my enjoyment of such an incredible machine.
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