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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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ras62 said: lol, correct it is not original. Saying that any RS with a rebuilt motor or repaint is not 'origin' either.
As for checking the matching numbers I would ask how the check was done 'cos it isn't listed anywhere in the paperwork or build sticker. the chassis number and engine number were checked with a contact at porsche who confirmed the chassis is RS but not the engine. was a contact well know in the 964 RS community from pcgb. i know who i trust on this one
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Du1point8
14,428 posts
62 months
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willmac said: The photo of the car has been altered a tad when you look at the background. thought the trailer wheels in the window gave all that away that the master photshopper couldn't remove.
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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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Du1point8 said: thought the trailer wheels in the window gave all that away that the master photshopper couldn't remove. that photo does the add no favours
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911Thrasher
1,978 posts
69 months
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I have called OPC in the past to check a 964RS VIN(not this one) - and with the VIN they also confirmed engine serial number and the options it was ordered with...so it is possible to check whether or not it is the original engine.
They should also be able to issue a "certificate" if they see the car.
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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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911Thrasher said: I have called OPC in the past to check a 964RS VIN(not this one) - and with the VIN they also confirmed engine serial number and the options it was ordered with...so it is possible to check whether or not it is the original engine.
They should also be able to issue a "certificate" if they see the car. there we have it then. so, with a non RS matching numbers engine whats the price?
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Wozy68
1,523 posts
40 months
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bridey0 said: there we have it then. so, with a non RS matching numbers engine whats the price? Original seam welded shell and non RS engine? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, 28 - 35K? Dependant on body condition? 
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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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[quote=Wozy68] Original seam welded shell and non RS engine? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, 28 - 35K? Dependant on body condition? [/quo yup thats about right i recon
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Adam B
6,904 posts
124 months
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Out of curiosity, what is involved / the cost of taking an engine and blueprinting it and release those extra 10 horses?
If you had biught the last production 964RS whose engine went pop after two years, and Porsche gave you a replacement engine would they have grabbed a blueprinted engine off the shelf or created one?
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ras62
265 posts
26 months
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There is no difference between the C2 and RS engines. Different clutch & flywheel, single belt on the RS but the engine is the same. Porsche used the best tolerance parts to build the RS but the power difference comes from the ECU not the engine.
If indeed the engine has been changed and the engine code started 62K or 62L then I would think this would influence the price but if it was a new or rebuilt motor with a later engine code I don't think it would affect the price much at all. So long the engine is sound there are more important things to worry about..
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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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ras62 said: There is no difference between the C2 and RS engines. Different clutch & flywheel, single belt on the RS but the engine is the same. Porsche used the best tolerance parts to build the RS but the power difference comes from the ECU not the engine.
If indeed the engine has been changed and the engine code started 62K or 62L then I would think this would influence the price but if it was a new or rebuilt motor with a later engine code I don't think it would affect the price much at all. So long the engine is sound there are more important things to worry about.. FRom what i was told its defnately not a rebuilt engine. rest of the car looks great and ive seen it in the flesh. sadly i didnt get a drive in it. It was originally for sale on Autotrader at a place called 'Moonz Motorhomes' in Essex which you'd think is an odd place to sell a 964 RS
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Wild Card 911
69 posts
16 months
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If it doesn´t hunt at idle like an Atco lawnmower on choke, its probably not got the RS flywheel and ECU! Easy enough to solve, but why in heavens would anybody swap the ECU even if the motor did make a forced exit at some point. What chassis number is it?
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MrCooke
795 posts
65 months
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ras62 said: There is no difference between the C2 and RS engines. Different clutch & flywheel, single belt on the RS but the engine is the same. Porsche used the best tolerance parts to build the RS but the power difference comes from the ECU not the engine.
If indeed the engine has been changed and the engine code started 62K or 62L then I would think this would influence the price but if it was a new or rebuilt motor with a later engine code I don't think it would affect the price much at all. So long the engine is sound there are more important things to worry about.. Yeah, that's what Porsche said so they didn't have to get another engine approved. An RS engine definitely has some sort of voodoo going on. The only way you could build a 'blueprint' RS engine is if Porsche would let you have the blueprints they built them from, which I reckon they won't, though I've never actually asked.
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ras62
265 posts
26 months
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While they may be magic to drive Mr Cooke I think references to voodoo may be going a bit far. Mind what do I know, you may be quite right! Spooky eh
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Adam B
6,904 posts
124 months
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ras62 said: There is no difference between the C2 and RS engines. Different clutch & flywheel, single belt on the RS but the engine is the same. Porsche used the best tolerance parts to build the RS but the power difference comes from the ECU not the engine.
If indeed the engine has been changed and the engine code started 62K or 62L then I would think this would influence the price but if it was a new or rebuilt motor with a later engine code I don't think it would affect the price much at all. So long the engine is sound there are more important things to worry about.. So I agree with you. I don't see what the issue is with this car, yes it should be cheaper than a matching number car but there must be a few cars with replacement engines so if the RS ECU clutch and flywheel are there it is an RS in every part
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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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Adam B said: So I agree with you. I don't see what the issue is with this car, yes it should be cheaper than a matching number car but there must be a few cars with replacement engines so if the RS ECU clutch and flywheel are there it is an
RS in every part Cheaper being roughly half the price of a matching numbers car is the consensus
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freedman
4,084 posts
77 months
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bridey0 said: Cheaper being roughly half the price of a matching numbers car is the consensus Is it?
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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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freedman said: Is it? Well not definately, it's 'opinion' if u read back thru the thread based on speculation.
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freedman
4,084 posts
77 months
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bridey0 said: Well not definately, it's 'opinion' if u read back thru the thread based on speculation. Only one person on the thread has voluteered a guess at the price, so I dont think thats remotely close to a concensus, even on this thread, let alone the real world
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rubystone
7,109 posts
129 months
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Thirty grand tops. But there are non matching number 2.7s out there still worth big bucks, so in the future, who knows? But for anyone looking to invest in an RS right now, it needs to be matching numbers. The power of PH....as a result of this thread, a buyer will know exactly what he is letting himself in for...
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bridey0
1,918 posts
55 months
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rubystone said: Thirty grand tops. But there are non matching number 2.7s out there still worth big bucks, so in the future, who knows? But for anyone looking to invest in an RS right now, it needs to be matching numbers. The power of PH....as a result of this thread, a buyer will know exactly what he is letting himself in for... Looks like we got 2 guesses at the 30k tops Mark. How many do we need exactly for a concensus ??? :-)
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