964 RS at Auction
Discussion
rubystone said:
Thirty grand tops. But there are non matching number 2.7s out there still worth big bucks, so in the future, who knows? But for anyone looking to invest in an RS right now, it needs to be matching numbers. The power of PH....as a result of this thread, a buyer will know exactly what he is letting himself in for...
30k makes no sense at allThere are C2/4 RS replica's out there going for 25k
Yet a genuine RS with a replacement engine (which we know little about at this point) is going to lose 50% of its value as a result?
Of course a genine mathing numbers car is going to be worth more, but 30k more??
If it has a non RS engine number then there will be a substantial reduction in value.
http://www.964rsdatabase.com/technical_info.html
http://www.964rsdatabase.com/technical_info.html
Edited by Gulf911 on Sunday 6th May 12:06
Gulf911 said:
If it has a non RS engine number then there will be a substantial reduction in value.
http://www.964rsdatabase.com/technical_info.html
Depends on your definition of substantial I guesshttp://www.964rsdatabase.com/technical_info.html
Edited by Gulf911 on Sunday 6th May 12:06
50% is a bit more than substantial isnt it
This is an interesting thread!
First of all, with ultra low mileage time capsule cars going for over GBP100K (GBP129K to Singapore),
average mileage, good provenace cars at GBP75K,
track day slaves at around GBP60K and RS replicas at GBP25K+,
.......it would be unlikely that a non matching or even non RS motor number would drag a perfectly good RS
down into the thirties.
Hand welded body, Magnesium wheels, aluminium suspension components, lightweight glass, aluminium hood, hydraulic brake servo, G5010 gearbox and short rear axle and uprated brakes -do contribute to making a real RS far more exotic than the very best non sunroof C2 sporting a set of door cards, straps and a lightweight flywheel/clutch.
However, I went to the trouble of contacting the seller and requesting details
and .....this particular RS does in fact have a M64/03 motor.
Stephen
First of all, with ultra low mileage time capsule cars going for over GBP100K (GBP129K to Singapore),
average mileage, good provenace cars at GBP75K,
track day slaves at around GBP60K and RS replicas at GBP25K+,
.......it would be unlikely that a non matching or even non RS motor number would drag a perfectly good RS
down into the thirties.
Hand welded body, Magnesium wheels, aluminium suspension components, lightweight glass, aluminium hood, hydraulic brake servo, G5010 gearbox and short rear axle and uprated brakes -do contribute to making a real RS far more exotic than the very best non sunroof C2 sporting a set of door cards, straps and a lightweight flywheel/clutch.
However, I went to the trouble of contacting the seller and requesting details
and .....this particular RS does in fact have a M64/03 motor.
Stephen
Wild Card 911 said:
This is an interesting thread!
First of all, with ultra low mileage time capsule cars going for over GBP100K (GBP129K to Singapore),
average mileage, good provenace cars at GBP75K,
track day slaves at around GBP60K and RS replicas at GBP25K+,
.......it would be unlikely that a non matching or even non RS motor number would drag a perfectly good RS
down into the thirties.
Hand welded body, Magnesium wheels, aluminium suspension components, lightweight glass, aluminium hood, hydraulic brake servo, G5010 gearbox and short rear axle and uprated brakes -do contribute to making a real RS far more exotic than the very best non sunroof C2 sporting a set of door cards, straps and a lightweight flywheel/clutch.
However, I went to the trouble of contacting the seller and requesting details
and .....this particular RS does in fact have a M64/03 motor.
Stephen
Then it's not the car I thought I'd previously seen so I stand corrected.First of all, with ultra low mileage time capsule cars going for over GBP100K (GBP129K to Singapore),
average mileage, good provenace cars at GBP75K,
track day slaves at around GBP60K and RS replicas at GBP25K+,
.......it would be unlikely that a non matching or even non RS motor number would drag a perfectly good RS
down into the thirties.
Hand welded body, Magnesium wheels, aluminium suspension components, lightweight glass, aluminium hood, hydraulic brake servo, G5010 gearbox and short rear axle and uprated brakes -do contribute to making a real RS far more exotic than the very best non sunroof C2 sporting a set of door cards, straps and a lightweight flywheel/clutch.
However, I went to the trouble of contacting the seller and requesting details
and .....this particular RS does in fact have a M64/03 motor.
Stephen
I trust you have the engine number and checked it then??
Hold on a moment......
I have the details, quoted from the certificate of authenticity. However, it is possible that a motor swap has taken place since the certificate was issued (seller didn´t supply issue date). The seller doesn´t have the car at his premises yet.
I shall chase this up tomorrow, and let you know.
I have the details, quoted from the certificate of authenticity. However, it is possible that a motor swap has taken place since the certificate was issued (seller didn´t supply issue date). The seller doesn´t have the car at his premises yet.
I shall chase this up tomorrow, and let you know.
Wild Card 911 said:
Hold on a moment......
I have the details, quoted from the certificate of authenticity. However, it is possible that a motor swap has taken place since the certificate was issued (seller didn´t supply issue date). The seller doesn´t have the car at his premises yet.
I shall chase this up tomorrow, and let you know.
The plot thickens!!!!! I have the details, quoted from the certificate of authenticity. However, it is possible that a motor swap has taken place since the certificate was issued (seller didn´t supply issue date). The seller doesn´t have the car at his premises yet.
I shall chase this up tomorrow, and let you know.
If it's not the right motor ... it could make an even more fun car with a 9M 4.0 litre engine in it ...
No real investment potential, but a fab car.
Incidentally, there was a 2.7RS Touring bought by an owner with the wrong engine, re-mated with the original 2.7 MFI Mag cased motor, that brought him a tidy premium.
Unless of course there were two such motors
No real investment potential, but a fab car.
Incidentally, there was a 2.7RS Touring bought by an owner with the wrong engine, re-mated with the original 2.7 MFI Mag cased motor, that brought him a tidy premium.
Unless of course there were two such motors
At the Bilstein Development Centre in 1992 a fax arrives from Porsche "...vot av you done? Ze fett in die Stossdampfer ist too thick! Even ze von hand gewelded karrozzerie ist going to fall apart under dis stress!"
The engineers at Bilstein decide to take immediate action and buy a 964RS with the intention of driving it until the body actually does falls apart.....
Eventually, 17 years later, they give up! The car will be very wisely sold to someone far, far away.......in the UK.
Advising the salesman about how to describe the car´s condition to the prospective purchaser, the engineer says " vot ever you do, don´t mention the wear"
But seriously, I think the Bilstein provenance could add quite a bit of value to this car. Another one that Walter drove, maybe?
The engineers at Bilstein decide to take immediate action and buy a 964RS with the intention of driving it until the body actually does falls apart.....
Eventually, 17 years later, they give up! The car will be very wisely sold to someone far, far away.......in the UK.
Advising the salesman about how to describe the car´s condition to the prospective purchaser, the engineer says " vot ever you do, don´t mention the wear"
But seriously, I think the Bilstein provenance could add quite a bit of value to this car. Another one that Walter drove, maybe?
Wild Card 911 said:
This is an interesting thread!
Hand welded body
Not all RSs had seam welded bodies. Mine did, but I have looked at later ones that didn't. I take your other points, but this car is well used, is Guards Red and has a non-original engine and are the wheels original?. What would you pay for such a car? Hand welded body
rubystone said:
Not all RSs had seam welded bodies. Mine did, but I have looked at later ones that didn't. I take your other points, but this car is well used, is Guards Red and has a non-original engine and are the wheels original?. What would you pay for such a car?
It 'might' have a non original engineWheels, who knows, but nothing to suggest its not on mags
Guards red, hardl;y reduces its value to any degree does it
Well used, one I'm not sure what the problem with tht would be, its what they wre made for, but we have no idea how well or little used it is, do we
freedman said:
It 'might' have a non original engine
Wheels, who knows, but nothing to suggest its not on mags
Guards red, hardl;y reduces its value to any degree does it
Well used, one I'm not sure what the problem with tht would be, its what they wre made for, but we have no idea how well or little used it is, do we
Question is , wud u buy it at auction without an inspection thou? Wheels, who knows, but nothing to suggest its not on mags
Guards red, hardl;y reduces its value to any degree does it
Well used, one I'm not sure what the problem with tht would be, its what they wre made for, but we have no idea how well or little used it is, do we
I mentioned Guards for a very good reason; It isn't top of the list of colours when it comes to investing in these cars. And that's the thrust of most posters on this thread. There is plenty of choice out there and this particular car has to be priced keenly to be worth buying. Buyer's commission has to be factored in too.
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