964 RS at Auction

964 RS at Auction

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freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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rubystone said:
Thirty grand tops. But there are non matching number 2.7s out there still worth big bucks, so in the future, who knows? But for anyone looking to invest in an RS right now, it needs to be matching numbers. The power of PH....as a result of this thread, a buyer will know exactly what he is letting himself in for...
30k makes no sense at all

There are C2/4 RS replica's out there going for 25k

Yet a genuine RS with a replacement engine (which we know little about at this point) is going to lose 50% of its value as a result?

Of course a genine mathing numbers car is going to be worth more, but 30k more??




rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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freedman said:
There are C2/4 RS replica's out there going for 25k
Are they selling at that money though?

freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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rubystone said:
Are they selling at that money though?
The recently posted black Jasmine car did I believe

So are you seriously saying that a genuine RS with a replacement engine is worth 30k less than a genuine matching numbers car?

Gulf911

91 posts

185 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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If it has a non RS engine number then there will be a substantial reduction in value.

http://www.964rsdatabase.com/technical_info.html


Edited by Gulf911 on Sunday 6th May 12:06

freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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Gulf911 said:
If it has a non RS engine number then there will be a substantial reduction in value.

http://www.964rsdatabase.com/technical_info.html


Edited by Gulf911 on Sunday 6th May 12:06
Depends on your definition of substantial I guess

50% is a bit more than substantial isnt it

melv

4,708 posts

264 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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That reminds me......I mustn't get my car valued by Pistonheads..... spin

Wild Card 911

86 posts

145 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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This is an interesting thread!

First of all, with ultra low mileage time capsule cars going for over GBP100K (GBP129K to Singapore),
average mileage, good provenace cars at GBP75K,
track day slaves at around GBP60K and RS replicas at GBP25K+,
.......it would be unlikely that a non matching or even non RS motor number would drag a perfectly good RS
down into the thirties.

Hand welded body, Magnesium wheels, aluminium suspension components, lightweight glass, aluminium hood, hydraulic brake servo, G5010 gearbox and short rear axle and uprated brakes -do contribute to making a real RS far more exotic than the very best non sunroof C2 sporting a set of door cards, straps and a lightweight flywheel/clutch.

However, I went to the trouble of contacting the seller and requesting details

and .....this particular RS does in fact have a M64/03 motor.

Stephen

bridey0

2,961 posts

184 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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Wild Card 911 said:
This is an interesting thread!

First of all, with ultra low mileage time capsule cars going for over GBP100K (GBP129K to Singapore),
average mileage, good provenace cars at GBP75K,
track day slaves at around GBP60K and RS replicas at GBP25K+,
.......it would be unlikely that a non matching or even non RS motor number would drag a perfectly good RS
down into the thirties.

Hand welded body, Magnesium wheels, aluminium suspension components, lightweight glass, aluminium hood, hydraulic brake servo, G5010 gearbox and short rear axle and uprated brakes -do contribute to making a real RS far more exotic than the very best non sunroof C2 sporting a set of door cards, straps and a lightweight flywheel/clutch.

However, I went to the trouble of contacting the seller and requesting details

and .....this particular RS does in fact have a M64/03 motor.
Stephen
Then it's not the car I thought I'd previously seen so I stand corrected.
I trust you have the engine number and checked it then??

Wild Card 911

86 posts

145 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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Hold on a moment......
I have the details, quoted from the certificate of authenticity. However, it is possible that a motor swap has taken place since the certificate was issued (seller didn´t supply issue date). The seller doesn´t have the car at his premises yet.
I shall chase this up tomorrow, and let you know.

bridey0

2,961 posts

184 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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Wild Card 911 said:
Hold on a moment......
I have the details, quoted from the certificate of authenticity. However, it is possible that a motor swap has taken place since the certificate was issued (seller didn´t supply issue date). The seller doesn´t have the car at his premises yet.
I shall chase this up tomorrow, and let you know.
The plot thickens!!!!!

ChrisW.

6,210 posts

254 months

Sunday 6th May 2012
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If it's not the right motor ... it could make an even more fun car with a 9M 4.0 litre engine in it ...

No real investment potential, but a fab car.

Incidentally, there was a 2.7RS Touring bought by an owner with the wrong engine, re-mated with the original 2.7 MFI Mag cased motor, that brought him a tidy premium.

Unless of course there were two such motors smile

Chris993C4

655 posts

210 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Anglia Car Auctions said:
Owned by Bilstein for many years
Worn-out development platform?

Wild Card 911

86 posts

145 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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At the Bilstein Development Centre in 1992 a fax arrives from Porsche "...vot av you done? Ze fett in die Stossdampfer ist too thick! Even ze von hand gewelded karrozzerie ist going to fall apart under dis stress!"

The engineers at Bilstein decide to take immediate action and buy a 964RS with the intention of driving it until the body actually does falls apart.....

Eventually, 17 years later, they give up! The car will be very wisely sold to someone far, far away.......in the UK.

Advising the salesman about how to describe the car´s condition to the prospective purchaser, the engineer says " vot ever you do, don´t mention the wear"



But seriously, I think the Bilstein provenance could add quite a bit of value to this car. Another one that Walter drove, maybe?

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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melv said:
That reminds me......I mustn't get my car valued by Pistonheads..... spin
Yours is an ex racecar. It's value lies in it's provenance, not whether it has original panels or engine.

rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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Wild Card 911 said:
This is an interesting thread!

Hand welded body
Not all RSs had seam welded bodies. Mine did, but I have looked at later ones that didn't. I take your other points, but this car is well used, is Guards Red and has a non-original engine and are the wheels original?. What would you pay for such a car?

freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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rubystone said:
Not all RSs had seam welded bodies. Mine did, but I have looked at later ones that didn't. I take your other points, but this car is well used, is Guards Red and has a non-original engine and are the wheels original?. What would you pay for such a car?
It 'might' have a non original engine

Wheels, who knows, but nothing to suggest its not on mags

Guards red, hardl;y reduces its value to any degree does it

Well used, one I'm not sure what the problem with tht would be, its what they wre made for, but we have no idea how well or little used it is, do we

bridey0

2,961 posts

184 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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freedman said:
It 'might' have a non original engine

Wheels, who knows, but nothing to suggest its not on mags

Guards red, hardl;y reduces its value to any degree does it

Well used, one I'm not sure what the problem with tht would be, its what they wre made for, but we have no idea how well or little used it is, do we
Question is , wud u buy it at auction without an inspection thou?

freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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bridey0 said:
Question is , wud u buy it at auction without an inspection thou?
Depends how much it is and what provenence you could establish beforehand


rubystone

11,252 posts

258 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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I mentioned Guards for a very good reason; It isn't top of the list of colours when it comes to investing in these cars. And that's the thrust of most posters on this thread. There is plenty of choice out there and this particular car has to be priced keenly to be worth buying. Buyer's commission has to be factored in too.

bridey0

2,961 posts

184 months

Monday 7th May 2012
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I can't see the best way to get a good price for that car is at auction.