964 RS at Auction

[bridey0]

Paul Dishman said:

Sold for £53,500

If it was the one I thought it was then thats madness but maybe it was a pukka one that checked out.

[Paul Dishman]

bridey0 said:

Paul Dishman said:

Sold for £53,500

If it was the one I thought it was then thats madness but maybe it was a pukka one that checked out.

Did you not ask for Peter Morgan's report? Its a RS shell, but not engine or gearbox.Engine numbers removed. Non mag wheels.

John Glynn was trying to sell a year or so back; the details were on his blog, but had disappeared the last time I looked

[bridey0]

Paul Dishman said:

Did you not ask for Peter Morgan's report? Its a RS shell, but not engine or gearbox.Engine numbers removed. Non mag wheels.

John Glynn was trying to sell a year or so back; the details were on his blog, but had disappeared the last time I looked

Then it is the ringer then.
John emailed me about that car b4 it was advertised then it was advertised at 'Moonz Motorhomes' in Essex. I went in person and saw it then got the numbers confirmed.
Some poor barstewards got a dud

[ras62]

I can't see that whoever purchased this car did not first look at the report supplied by the auction in which case they knew exactly what they were buying.

[Wild Card 911]

I do think you are being way too cynical about this car..........

Wild Card 911 said:

But seriously, I think the Bilstein provenance could add quite a bit of value to this car. Another one that Walter drove, maybe?

According to the auction website description - this RS did in fact see some time with Walter, and I bet that isn´t the only story it has to tell.
Motor casings, gearboxes and mags can be bought and refurbished - but you can´t get much provenance out of low mileage garage hermit.
Stephen

[bridey0]

Wild Card 911 said:

According to the auction website description - this RS did in fact see some time with Walter, and I bet that isn´t the only story it has to tell.
Motor casings, gearboxes and mags can be bought and refurbished - but
you can´t get much provenance out of low mileage garage hermit.
Stephen

I had it confirmed as an RS shell and a C2 engine months ago, read the start of this thread. I also spoke with John Glynn about the car b4 it hit the mkt and John said he knew little about the car other than it was awesome to drive. The numbers were confirmed by an authority on these things. Sad but true

Edited by bridey0 on Monday 4th June 18:09

[Wild Card 911]

Well if this RS (seam welded) shell still sports an aluminium hood, lightweight glass, aluminium RS spec hubs, RS brakes, RS springs, Bilsteins(!), adjustable stabis, uprated rubber and ball joints, RS hydraulic brake servo, that nifty little telltale battery cutout switch and possibly one of the rare original RS steering wheels ....and really does drive that good, it might well be worth the entry fee!

However the longer (C2) rear axle ratio combined with (RS) 140 kilo weight saving and the 290 hp will make it terribly difficult to stay behind the authentic matching numbers RS in front :-)

I haven´t seen the car or read the report on it, so maybe is it just the RS shell......

[bridey0]

Wild Card 911 said:

Well if this RS (seam welded) shell still sports an aluminium hood, lightweight glass, aluminium RS spec hubs, RS brakes, RS springs, Bilsteins(!), adjustable stabis, uprated rubber and ball joints, RS hydraulic brake servo, that nifty little telltale battery cutout switch and possibly one of the rare original RS steering wheels ....and really does drive that good, it might well be worth the entry fee!

However the longer (C2) rear axle ratio combined with (RS) 140 kilo weight saving and the 290 hp will make it terribly difficult to stay behind the authentic matching numbers RS in front :-)

I haven´t seen the car or read the report on it, so maybe is it just the RS shell......

That it is and actually so what as long as the new owner is happy with it.
Meanwhile this caught my eye

http://www.tradeporsche.com/DisplayCar.aspx?IDCar=...

[Wild Card 911]

"Enquiries welcolme ( however,no test pilots or travelling comedians please)"

That one will a job to shift.

[bridey0]

Wild Card 911 said:

"Enquiries welcolme ( however,no test pilots or travelling comedians please)"

That one will a job to shift.

Doesn't exactly encourage enquiries does it

[kitesurfer2]

Presumably this car has spent many of it's miles pounding round a Japanese cicuit?
Seems like a reasonable price compared to the auction one.
What sort of price differential is there between Lightweight and Touring models?

[blackmamba]

The red "ex Japan Corporate Events" car is very well known. When it was last for sale there were a few key parts missing (wheels, bonnet) and it had lots of poor body work repairs. Having said that, if the engine, box and chassis are straight then it looks good value as the other items could eventually be found and the bodywork repainted to a good standard. That 911 Classic have been looking after it doesn't fill me with confidence though.

Good project for someone.

[bridey0]

I'm sure u can find a Straight 'tick all the bixes' RS for mid 50's so I'd leave that alone based on what u just said.
Always makes me wonder when a specialist car Like that isn't advertised on PH's

Edited by bridey0 on Tuesday 5th June 19:20

[Gulf911]

A more expensive one here

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-LHD-964-RS-for-s...

[bridey0]

Gulf911 said:

A more expensive one here

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-LHD-964-RS-for-s...

Yes but with JZM you know what you're getting is pukka

[Wild Card 911]

kitesurfer2 said:

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What sort of price differential is there between Lightweight and Touring models?

This would interest me too! Due to the rarity of the Touring, it should be worth more. 76 were built, making them extremely rare. However, the specification is not as exotic as the "basic/lightweight" and it weighs 100 kilos more because of that.
2.7 Tourings are not quite as pricy as Lightweights, if that is anything to go by. So maybe a 964 Touring is also worth less.

The market is all over the place ,right now. In Germany, there are RS Americas being offered for €50-60K, and although there are fewer of them, they really do have very little RS content!

[Wild Card 911]

Jürgen Barth/Gustav Büsing

- 1916 Lightweights (of which 72 were RHD) and 72 Touring (of which 14 were RHD)
- 290 Clubsport N/GT

- 701 RS America
- 90 RS 3.8 (incl. RSR)
- 22 Carrera 4 Lightweight
- 50 1990 Carrera 2 Cup
- 120 1991 Carrera 2 Cup
- 112 1992 Carrera RS Cup
- 45 1992 Carrera Cup USA
- 15 1993 Carrera RS Cup

[ras62]

Touring for sale here http://www.gtclassics.co.uk/carsales.htm
Rare so they generally fetch a premium, a fair bit heavier than a basic RS which puts it somewhere between the basic RS and a C2.

[mollytherocker]

bridey0 said:

Gulf911 said:

A more expensive one here

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-LHD-964-RS-for-s...

Yes but with JZM you know what you're getting is pukka

Thats a given BUT, midnight doesn't sit well on a 964RS in my view. I know its a bit silly bit I just dont LIKE it.

And 'LIKE' is important.

MTR

[berty37]

Could be wrong but I recon the car that was discussed at the beginning of this thread has turned up again...I went to see that car with Bridey0 when it was at a caravan park and distinctly remember all the stuff about Bilstein and Walter etc...
Looks nice just hope that the matching no's engine or original block has somehow been found and dropped in...a mate of mine just phoned and they want WELL in excess of £100k...


http://www.hexagonclassics.com/car_sales/Porsche-9...