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MogulBoy

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108 months

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There. Just saved you £20k.

Dr S

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111 months

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THe CR is surely the best Cayman. But it is just not the step up that a GT3 is from a stock C2S.

Trev450

3,451 posts

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Dr S said:
THe CR is surely the best Cayman. But it is just not the step up that a GT3 is from a stock C2S.
No where near imo. The GT3 is a massive step up on the Carrera S whereas the Cayman R offers much less over an S.

Mermaid

17,674 posts

56 months

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Trev450 said:
Dr S said:
THe CR is surely the best Cayman. But it is just not the step up that a GT3 is from a stock C2S.
No where near imo. The GT3 is a massive step up on the Carrera S whereas the Cayman R offers much less over an S.

& the price difference reflects that surely? The CR is a highly focused too, and requires hard driving IMO.

Lightningman

1,157 posts

67 months

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Raitzi said:
You must be the first to say CR is dull but nice that you like the open top version.
This has been talked about on here before.

The Cayman R isn't special enough to wear an R badge.

The Spyder has a trick roof, a unique 'body' panel and open top motoring as the USP; the Cayman R has... um... well... uh... what does it have? After 48-hours of loan car use, I was left feeling it was as good as any other Cayman (which is excellent when compared to other cars) but certainly not special.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Porsche GmbH had a set of balls, they'd have stripped it out, made a mini GT3 and enjoyed the praise and halo of creating this decades 968CS. Instead, they gave us another BS marketing exercise.

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Raitzi

624 posts

97 months

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Lightningman said:
This has been talked about on here before.

The Cayman R isn't special enough to wear an R badge.
He nor I was referring to Speciality. MR car with 330 HP and superb handling is not dull to me.

Boxster spyder is not more special than CR to me also. New 981 boxster is faster and unpractical roof just won't make a car more appealing to me.

Edited by Raitzi on Friday 4th May 17:17

Mermaid

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Lightningman said:
The Cayman R isn't special enough to wear an R badge.
It is a quick car, and is not a full fledged RS. I'd buy one at £35k.

Lightningman

1,157 posts

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Mermaid said:
It is a quick car, and is not a full fledged RS. I'd buy one at £35k.
The history of the R actually pre-dates the RS moniker in Porsche folklore but that is another story.

As I said, my personal opinion, based on 48-hours use, was that I found the Cayman R to be disappointing. Dress it up however you want but (a) I am not a Spyder owner 'trying to justify my purchase' (as has been said on this thread by someone) or (b) a 911 owner who looks down their nose at the Cayman/Boxster. I went in wanting to like it and found it dull, even when pushed hard.

I haven't driven a Spyder, so cannot comment on how good, bad or indifferent I'd feel about it; however, the fact that it has some special features, to separate it from the standard Boxster, make it more appealing to me (if someone asked me to choose one over the other).

As before, I believe the R moniker was a silly choice and the Cayman was once again held back to 'protect' the 911. As have said on this topic in previous posts, the time to make a great Cayman was at the end of the 997/987 life cycle. If it received too many rave reviews, Porsche could have countered with 'ah but you haven't tried the new 991 yet...'


Raitzi

624 posts

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Lightningman said:
As before, I believe the R moniker was a silly choice and the Cayman was once again held back to 'protect' the 911.
Yes. 911 would loose every comparison if cayman and boxster had similar power to the big brother. (two trunks, MR layout, lighter weight etc..)

I see your angle and understand it now. I just look at competition(1M,evora S, etc,) and see cayman R just be better than any of those, and that is what matters to me. Spyder is great but I like coupes more.

doozy

57 posts

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Lightningman said:
the fact that it has some special features, to separate it from the standard Boxster
What special features would they be then ?

I can't believe the Spyder is that much of a different drive to the the CR. The big difference is in the ragtop of the Spyder which will give it a more vocal and visceral drive.

Nurburgsingh

3,040 posts

123 months

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khushy said:
48 hours - Coventry is a st hole!
As one that is born and bred in coventry I feel it is my civil duty to defend my fair city...

It has a fine history of ummm....

Ah yes it's the only place in England that's got a really cool...ummm

Yeah but did you know that the coolest person to come out of Coventry was... Ummm...

... No... you're right its a st hole.

There is nothing good here now... Except maybe the M45....

Mermaid

17,674 posts

56 months

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Nurburgsingh said:
It has a fine history of extensive construction since 1940

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EFA wink

BubblesNW

588 posts

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I may be a little biased (OK - I am very biased) but I don't see the difference between the majority of CRs over a well specced CS. Unless the CR has been specced with no aircon, no stereo, sports exhaust, PCCB etc it won't be lighter or more different from a standard CS. A CR with the above and PDK would also make a reasonable alternative to a GT3 if you didn't want a manual transmission. The nearest 997 would be a GTS but I can't see it being as much fun as the CR I have described.

However, most CRs have aircon and a stereo, some don't even have the carbon backed buckets. My own car has PDK, buckets and PCCB. I suspect it is no heavier than many CRs due to the weight saving on the seats. How much more is steel vs aluminium door skins and proper door handles vs red ribbons for God's sake? Another plus is that PASM gives the choice between being 'on it' and trundling around, something the CR can't do.

If you want a GT3 there probably is no real alternative to the 997 version.

But after all is said and done, the CR and a well specced CS are great cars in their own right. You don't need to be a driving God to extract every last ounce of performance from one and that to me is the appeal. I can use more of the available performance in relative safety without risking myself or others more of the time. Something I couldn't do in a 996 C4 let alone a GT3.





baz1985

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The 987C.2R is immense, it's a transformation when compared to 987C.1S imo on undulating B roads.....the diff enables mid-apex flooring...the contrast in traction is staggering.

BubblesNW

588 posts

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baz1985 said:
The 987C.2R is immense, it's a transformation when compared to 987C.1S imo on undulating B roads.....the diff enables mid-apex flooring...the contrast in traction is staggering.
But that's like comparing a 996C2 with a 997GT3.

baz1985

3,429 posts

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BubblesNW said:
But that's like comparing a 996C2 with a 997GT3.
I acknowledge your point- it may be more akin to: 997.1C2S vs 997.2GTS2 perhaps.

Edited by baz1985 on Friday 4th May 23:08

mayes911

1,563 posts

70 months

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here in lies the problem the 987.2cr is not immense compared to a gen1 cs.i know i have driven back to back unlike a c2s to a gt3.yes the spyder is the same in a way but at least it has a sense of occasion/drama and is not a functional product for the masses that has an electronic roof.the spyders use is limited but so is a gt3, where the clutch is too heavy for my wife to drive when i have had a beer to many.the cayman R is a good car but not a great one compared to any cayman s.

cmoose

25,267 posts

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khushy said:
Cayman R = very fast but very dull and it looked like a chavs wet-dream
To be fair, this applies to most expensive new cars. They're nearly all insufferably naff. On pure aesthetics (before you've ever driven them), the GT3 models are ghastly, garish chariots. Then you drive them and mentally the association between the looks and the drive builds and something weird happens and you start liking the way the look.

But generally I agree. Purely on looks, I'd prefer something cleaner and purer.

Raitzi

624 posts

97 months

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Hockenheim Short
Porsche 911 Carrera S(991) 1:10.40
Cayman R 1:12.40
BMW M3 GTS 1:12.50
Porsche 911 GT2(00 version) 1:12.60
Ferrari F430 1:12.70
Porsche 911 Sport Classic 1:12.80
Porsche 911 Carrera GTS 1:12.90
Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 1:13.10
Lotus Evora S, Porsche 911 GT3(03) 1:13.20
Porsche 911 Carrera S(08) 1:13.40
Porsche 911 Carrera(08) 1:13.80
Porsche Cayman S(08 320HP) 1:13.90
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim_short...

Cayman R is a track toy. A lot slower than new carrera S but can be faster than a lot of "last gen" icons on tight track. If you do not care about lap times CR might not worth the premium.

khushy

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I like drama!

khushy
(Silver Spyder + Silver Wheels + 32000 miles) smile
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