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iandews
Original Poster
748 posts
40 months
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Sorry to post this in the Porsche section but the M Power section of this site pretty much a ghost town.
What are the general feelings of those Porsche drivers that have driven the BMW 1M Coupe?
Do you find it a well rounded machine or maybe a little unbalanced and less of an adventure?
I'm trying to make a decision (eventually!) between a Cayman R and 1M and whilst I've had a Cayman R for 24 hour test, I've not yet driven a 1M, let alone seen one in real life!!!
I'm very much a fan of straight line speed and solid cornering, which puts me in a difficult position between the 1M (I'd imagine) is a demon at straight line performance, yet the Cayman R is no doubt the most planted, which I'm more a fan of than going around every corner sideways!
They both price themselves around the same mark too, although I have to admit being a little concerned by the lack of movement on Cayman stock recently which suggests they are priced too high (sorry owners) but equally 1M's are still priced on or around new but hard to find, despite there being approx. double the amount in the UK than Cayman R's.
I know I've been tyre kicking for a few months now, but I have medical tests at the end of the month which will essentially decide my fate, so if all goes well, one of them will be a nice present to myself.
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cheddar
1,972 posts
43 months
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iandews said: Sorry to post this in the Porsche section but the M Power section of this site pretty much a ghost town.
What are the general feelings of those Porsche drivers that have driven the BMW 1M Coupe?
Do you find it a well rounded machine or maybe a little unbalanced and less of an adventure?
I'm trying to make a decision (eventually!) between a Cayman R and 1M and whilst I've had a Cayman R for 24 hour test, I've not yet driven a 1M, let alone seen one in real life!!!
I'm very much a fan of straight line speed and solid cornering, which puts me in a difficult position between the 1M (I'd imagine) is a demon at straight line performance, yet the Cayman R is no doubt the most planted, which I'm more a fan of than going around every corner sideways!
I know I've been tyre kicking for a few months now, but I have medical tests at the end of the month which will essentially decide my fate, so if all goes well, one of them will be a nice present to myself. Maybe you've read these, but if not: http://www.evo.co.uk/search/?words=1m&searchby...And: http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/stillatthewheel/arc...And, with video: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2765...
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MadMark911
1,360 posts
18 months
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The Cayman looks better - but the 1M is quicker (especially at overtaking and especially with all that mid range torque). Both sound great, despite the BMW's engine coming from a Z4. However, after several BMW's, I just find the Porsches more "special" and certain things just grow on your over time in a way that the BMW's never did for me. Before my 911, I was looking at V8 M3's - but after an afternoon in a 911 - well it was all over ......
Anyway - such an emotional choice - I bet you'll end up with some very divided opinions ....
MM.
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mrdemon
3,026 posts
134 months
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Straight line get a TTRS
Super car fast with a £600 remap
30-60 in 1.8 seconds 0-100 in 7.2
Nothing to touch them performance wise for the price and running costs. Great car with a few tweeks to dial out the under steer, Just sold mine after keeping it 2 years.
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mrdemon
3,026 posts
134 months
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MadMark911 said: The Cayman looks better - but the 1M is quicker (especially at overtaking and especially with all that mid range torque). Both sound great, despite the BMW's engine coming from a Z4. However, after several BMW's, I just find the Porsches more "special" and certain things just grow on your over time in a way that the BMW's never did for me. Before my 911, I was looking at V8 M3's - but after an afternoon in a 911 - well it was all over ......
Anyway - such an emotional choice - I bet you'll end up with some very divided opinions ....
MM. Cayman r out drags a 1m standard.
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gl20
182 posts
18 months
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I know this is not exsctly the comparison you are looking for but I had a 987S, then got a 135i then got a 987.2S.
Where BMW wins - Engine had a stonking amount of torque - Easier to live with day to day and felt more relaxed about where I parked it - Had mine debadged and so a bit of a Q car (doesn't really apply to the 1M though) - Just a bit different.
Where Porsche wins - More special - Better hsndling
Only 2 points on the list for the Porsche there but those are two very large points. My preferred car overall but the BMW was great and would have definitely considered a 1M when it came out were I not in a 135i at tha time.
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Martian O
2,119 posts
31 months
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mrdemon said: Straight line get a TTRS..... If you do corners though, buy a Cayman!
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Raitzi
591 posts
81 months
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Jimmy Riviera
193 posts
98 months
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Just recently drove my friend's 1M on a euro blast through France down to Verbier. I was really impressed with the car. It is quick no question. Brakes are good when on the road but not sure about track work if you got them too hot.
We crossed the mountains from France into Switzerland rather than autoroute it. Admittedly I didnt switch the traction control off but I found the car positively enticing. It is extremely communicative, telegraphing its feelings and letting you know how much grip was available. I really enjoyed myself.
I was very honestly surprised by how much I liked the car. It is an extremely civilized place to be, with a fair amount of load carrying space, that can provide great entertainment when you want
I haven't driven a Cayman so I cannot compare but I would seriously consider one. Indeed after having spent some time in my mate's 1M I started looking in to the price of them.
Nice choice to have.
Ben
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Raitzi
591 posts
81 months
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And of course If you need four seats and massive amount of storage, cayman just can not compete.
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bridey0
1,834 posts
54 months
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mrdemon said: Straight line get a TTRS
Super car fast with a £600 remap
30-60 in 1.8 seconds 0-100 in 7.2 Nothing to touch them performance
wise for the price and running costs. Great car with a few tweeks to dial out the under steer, Just sold mine after keeping it 2 years. Great cars
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Number 5
2,027 posts
64 months
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Not an accurate comparraisin to the Cayman R but a friend of mine has a 1M it's a nice car, we went to Donnington last year I done a few laps in it whilst he did a few in my Spyder we pulled back into the pits and both agreed the Spyder was much better on the track.
But I would also agree that the 1M would be a much better daily driver than the Spyder.
ETA: Comparison *
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iandews
Original Poster
748 posts
40 months
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Thanks for the thoughts so far, keep 'em coming.
There are no plans to take either car on the track, just isn't my thing, I lack some confidence in the bends, but do like a tightly sprung car with plenty of go. Testing a 1M definately has to come next (not sure BMW do extended test drives, tight gits!) but the buzz I got from borrowing a Cayman R was the most I've felt in any car ever, such a sense of occasion.
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Harris_I
1,766 posts
128 months
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1M is on my list of cars to own at some point, but I would keep my GT3.
Seems to be a perfect blend of compact size, practicality, tight handling and big punch. The only reservation I have is the short wheelbase: I imagine it would not be the most comfortable car for long schleps. M3 on the other hand is an excellent GT.
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Phooey
6,102 posts
38 months
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Unless you need rear seats, Cayman R is the better car. 1M is more lairy / tail happy, but CR more planted and easier to make fast, confident ground. I've driven the 1M and loved it, but seriously, unless you need the rear seats, there's better cars out there. Cayman being 1 of them.
Best of luck with the medical tests Ian.
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HokumPokum
725 posts
74 months
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Like you, i compared the 2 and both are more than quick enough on the road to get into serious trouble. Ultimately, if it is torque that matters, get the 1M. If it is handling and balance, get the CR. Both are quite rare with the CR being the rarer.
I also think that the porsche wins the badge contest.
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LaurasOtherHalf
6,317 posts
65 months
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nice cars both, i had a cayman R for 4 days & loved it. performance & handling are superb.
pjivens off here has recently sold his 997.1RS & bought a 1M, i had a few passenger laps in it around spa & it's a lovely thing. his is remapped & on the straights it just walked away from the Z4M that i was in, & that cars no slouch! paul has cups on the 1M so we never got a chance to keep up through the bends, i was seriously impressed! they were very popular in the ring car park as well, getting a lot of attention.
for the road it would be a tough call i think. the caymanR looks more special to the untrained eye i guess, where the ///M just looks like "another bmw" to the man in the street, but i'd love it for that reason alone.
the cayman will always be the better handling car, ///M cars always have a lairy side that porsches just don't do & if you like the ability to paint big fat 11's & go everywhere sideways a bmw is all the car you'll need. for genereal road hoonage the turbo motor will always feel so much stronger what with the torque as well.
but if you enjoy the precision side of driving, i don't think the 1 series will compare with the porsche, it sort of has that feeling of being a bigger, faster elise compared to bmw's big power blunt instrument way of doing things, if that makes sense?
the bmw is obviously way more practical as a daily driver, no bucket seats (though the standard bmw seats hold you pretty tight as they're adjustable), rear seats & a huge boot.
i honestly think as as long as the bmw were cheaper, i'd probably have one of them, but at the same price? difficult choice.
as others have said, i think the cayman may feel more special, it's a mid engined porsche after all, but it'd be difficult to overlook the fantastic package that the 1M presents.
just don't through a boxster spyder into the equation, you'll never decide!
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MadMark911
1,360 posts
18 months
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Raitzi said: Well I didn't have any performance testing equipment available when I drove them - so my comments are purely subjective! 
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iandews
Original Poster
748 posts
40 months
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Judging by the comments, my inability to make a decision between the two is well founded, as they both have their pro's and con's. LaurasOtherHalf said: just don't through a boxster spyder into the equation, you'll never decide! haha, that was in the mix a few months ago after taking one for a 24 hour test...but alas, the car is the best looking, but I couldn't live with the roof as it would be parked outside. mrdemon said: Straight line get a TTRS My missus would love that, it would be her mk1 TT that goes in part-ex towards a new car...not a favoured decision by her so replacing with a mk2 would suit her, but not me...the mk1 has been a pain from the moment we got it!
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mrdemon
3,026 posts
134 months
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TTRS will be faster in the bends also with 4wd so people who say it does not corner don't have a clue. Take a look at how well they are doing down under in rallies.
You have 4 main cars to look at in this sector
Cayman R TTRS Evora BMW 1m
And that's the order I would buy them in as well.
But if you want out and out performance, cheap running, all weather driving and best interior . The TTRS wins but some how does not give you that ultimate feedback, this is where the Cayman R wins. Depends what you want from a car. TTRS is a awesome machine with a few tweeks and would leave the other 3 for dead on a B road by a long long way.
I also think if you just want a nice do it all car the new Boxster should be all the car anyone should need.
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