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cmoose
18,560 posts
98 months
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sleep envy said:  Think I'm quite popular enough already, thanks. But seriously, have been very surprised at the proportion of GT3 owners / apparently genuine prospective buyers who'd entertain a PDK GT3. Awful.
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Blue62
1,391 posts
21 months
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cmoose said:  Think I'm quite popular enough already, thanks. But seriously, have been very surprised at the proportion of GT3 owners / apparently genuine prospective buyers who'd entertain a PDK GT3. Awful. Still reckon most GT3 sales would be for manual and cannot see Pork offering PDK only. All that said (and I could be in for a hiding here), PDK offers up a different driving experience and in many ways one that is no less satisfying when you're pushing on. I accept that the art of H&T or rev matching is a pleasure and a skill but whether you like it or not things are moving on and it just may be that the kicks and challenge will be delivered in a different way, no better or worse, but fine if you have the choice.
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sleep envy
59,279 posts
118 months
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Blue62 said: PDK offers up a different driving experience and in many ways one that is no less satisfying when you're pushing on. Part of the problem is that it makes accessing that performance a little too easy and with the cars being so competant means very big numbers on the speedo.   
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cmoose
18,560 posts
98 months
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sleep envy said: Quite. To be honest, it's bad enough with the manual cars. Finally drove a 991 last week. 'Twas manual. Wanted to hate it, but ended up really liking it. But it was all so easy - the gearchange was super friendly, pedals very light and perfectly positioned, whole car gives massive confidence so you're driving it like a mentalist inside five minutes. Add PDK and you're well into video game territory.
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Tony 1234
1,474 posts
96 months
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Another vote for PDK 
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stefan1
769 posts
101 months
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Until recently I would have been firmly in the manual camp. I'm a fan of the driver involvement arising from shifting gear well. However, in the last year I've spent a fair bit of time in my GT-R and am getting great enjoyment from using a double-clutch gearbox. I like the unremitting urge that comes from an increadibly rapid shfit; I like the flexibility of shifting gear without affecting the car's balance (e.g. into and out of corners); and I like the way it allows me to focus even more acutely on steering and braking.
The 991 PDK I drove recently was outstanding; smooth at low speed and super fast when pressing on. Flat shifts at full throttle give a wonderful staccato raport which you don't get with the manual 'box, and so adds a bit of character.
For me there is something about how these cars are developing that means PDK could be a more natural companion for a 991 GT3 over a 997 GT3. My 4.0 litre RS is a properly analogue car and is all the better for it. The new GT3 will probably have torque vectoring, even more sophisticated stability management, an effective put probably less characterful DFI engine, electrical power steering etc. The increased track and longer wheelbase (as I found in the 991 Cab I drove recently) also change the dynamics even further away from core 911 handling characteristics. So somehow a PDK box might just be in tune with all these other changes.
Will I trade my Gen 2 997 GT3 in for the new car? At present, I just don't know.
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Dr S
3,214 posts
95 months
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Another benefit of PDK is that it makes left foot braking much easier, again something that in my book is as entertaining as using a manual gearbox. It's a great challenge to use it when trail braking in order to fully use weight transfer for perfect turn-in and catching the earliest moment to be on the throttle again
The fun from the gear box might be gone but there is other fun that all of a sudden becomes accessible...
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Zyp
5,695 posts
58 months
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Drove a 991 Cab PDK today (first time in a PDK). Sport Plus was (to me) overly aggressive, normal auto was, um, ......ok. 'Manual' was used for about 30 seconds and then the novelty wore off. Great car, but I'm undecided on the PDK (although the blips were nice  ) It just seems so convoluted - do I leave it in auto, do I use manual, what about the paddles, shall I have it in sport/plus mode..... etc, etc? Just seems like so much to do and think about, just to drive a car.
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Phooey
Original Poster
6,102 posts
38 months
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Zyp said: PDK - Just seems like so much to do and think about Do you prefer having a man?
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nsm3
1,854 posts
65 months
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Phooey said: Zyp said: PDK - Just seems like so much to do and think about Do you prefer having a man? Said it before and I'll say it again... 
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Phooey
Original Poster
6,102 posts
38 months
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nsm3 said: Said it before and I'll say it again...  trust YOU to misconstrued my comments... 
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Diesel130
1,544 posts
81 months
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Once auto gearboxes are coupled to an intelligent system with a forward facing camera that can assess bends, inclines and other traffic, they may work OK - for now I'll stick with a manual 
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Skrambles
639 posts
133 months
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I'm in favour of there being a PDK option for the car, as it makes it more enticing as a daily driver (in the urban jungle). I'm as big a fan of manuals as the next petrolhead, but a week of commuting in a mix of heavy urban traffic/semi-rural is enough for the fun to be drained out of it.
I've driven quite a few 997 Turbos (and Turbo S's) with PDK and was really impressed with the system. If I wanted to use my 911 every day, I wouldn't hesitate to go for a PDK, even tho it's a compromise.
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Rrroro
187 posts
24 months
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betternotbigger said: If you were developing the new GT3 no doubt you'd be acutely conscious of the fear amongst fans that the manual transmission might have breathed its last. Would you be able to resist sending a manual car out into testing fitted with a PDK steering wheel? The temptation must be great... I was going to write virtually the same thing! That would be brilliant if they did just stick fake paddles on a manual car - it would prove if nothing else that Porsche have a sense of humour. Although they have proved this before: http://www.planet-9.com/cayman-boxster-chat/14067-...It would also prove that Matthias Mueller wasn't telling "porkies" (no pun intended) when he stated recently that the 991 GT3 would be MANUAL only!
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fioran0
1,387 posts
41 months
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tbh, i dont see a problem with a PDK 991 GT3 has so long as its integrated well and functions well. PDK type trans are the future of motoring, and simultaneously speed up driving while protecting the equipment. if the choice is between PDK and the current 7 speed MT then PDK is hands down the better choice. my pleasure from driving doesnt come from heel and toe, this is a necessary function of having a manual gearbox and not the reason i get into a car though i accept that for others it may be something that features much higher up their list. to those drivers i challenge you to experience cracking through the gearbox on a complex section flat out in a challenge stradale or scuderia and not finish thinking heel and toe may not be the be all and end all you thought.
what has my focus on the upcoming car is the quality of the components both in materials and design, and in an attempt to keep this on topic i'll limit this to the durability and performance of whatever gearbox they choose to use. the outgoing 997 gearboxes that featured on the non GT3 cars, made by aisin lacked durability, rebuildability and any tuning options when used for anything more than road driving. they are not a high performance gearbox in any way, especially when compared to the race designed and proven unit the GT3s were fittted with. with a new gearbox coming along, what interests me is whether porsche have designed it for actual performance or to cut costs. theres a real possibility that this new GT3 will look rather shabby once you start looking at the details behind the incredible performance figures it will no doubt give. lets hope not. If it just gets the current ZF designed trans then only time will tell how this holds up at the performance sharp end. i know ive said this before but that BS from August Achleitner over the electric steering is just embrassing. "all our race drivers prefer it". porsche dont make a race car with it, every single one they make, including the current $500,000 2012 RSR uses electro hydraulic (ie regular power steering but with an electric pump rather than belt driven) while the 991 uses electro mechanical (an electric motor turning your steering column). draw your own conclusions about what is an outright lie to address a point of contention.
as a final word for those who are longing for a manual option. if it gets a version of the current 991 manual type gearbox, start reading up on the Porsche MECOSA. it stands for manually converted shift actuator.
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fioran0
1,387 posts
41 months
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Dr S said: Another benefit of PDK is that it makes left foot braking much easier, again something that in my book is as entertaining as using a manual gearbox. It's a great challenge to use it when trail braking in order to fully use weight transfer for perfect turn-in and catching the earliest moment to be on the throttle again
The fun from the gear box might be gone but there is other fun that all of a sudden becomes accessible... unfortunately left foot braking has been "disabled" on every GT3 version since the switch to drive by wire throttle IIRC. doing it cuts the throttle input. i know having it activated via remap is a big mod for track day junkies.
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mollytherocker
6,869 posts
78 months
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I love the suggestion that PDK lovers left foot brake.  MTR
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Slippydiff
5,035 posts
92 months
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Phooey said: Before owning an auto (with paddles) i would of agreed with you on this, and when i had the PDK 997 for a week, i never used the paddles either. But, i have started to use the paddles on the C63 (on any road other than dual-carriageway etc), and have really found them to be very useful and interactive with the journey. I also find it keeps both hands on the steering wheel, and in the *correct* holding position When I test drove my daily smoker (335D Sport Auto) the salesman said "I wouldn't bother with the paddles, they're just a gimmick".I concurred with him and didn't bother. A week into my ownership I thought I'd give the paddles a try, I too have really found them to be very useful and interactive with the journey (especially when I'm making progress) I use them pretty much ALL the time and rarely let the autobox do its thing, after a while it becomes intuitive.
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Olivera
1,725 posts
108 months
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fioran0 said: ...
unfortunately left foot braking has been "disabled" on every GT3 version since the switch to drive by wire throttle IIRC. doing it cuts the throttle input.
I'm actually astounded that's the case on the GT3 model!
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sofaking
85 posts
16 months
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Zyp said: Drove a 991 Cab PDK today (first time in a PDK). Sport Plus was (to me) overly aggressive, normal auto was, um, ......ok. 'Manual' was used for about 30 seconds and then the novelty wore off. Great car, but I'm undecided on the PDK (although the blips were nice  ) It just seems so convoluted - do I leave it in auto, do I use manual, what about the paddles, shall I have it in sport/plus mode..... etc, etc? Just seems like so much to do and think about, just to drive a car. Did you try Sport mode? Seem to be the concesus that it is the best all round choice?
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